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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 4:52:51 AM   
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What is it with you Americans and guns?Why do you need them? I know it's in your constitution as a right to hold a gun,but why in this day do people insist on upholding a right that was relevant in 1780 but does not seem relevant today.It does seem to me that you have an awful lot of terrible gun incidents....


I guessed you were from the UK even before I looked at your profile.  My first guess is that like a lot of other folks from the UK, you have no idea just how BIG the US is.  To give you just a little idea, you can fit the entire UK inside the United States about 37 and one half times. 

Consider that the population of the UK is around 62 million and the US is 310 million... we have around five times the number of people in nearly 38 times the amount of space. 



lol...five times the number of people but according to some newspapers UK's crime is even worse than in the US

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 4:54:02 AM   
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Good god, I am watching the psycho from the UK right now I believe you call him the crossbow killer. One woman was cut into over 80 pieces, before being killed a torturous death that must have been the stuff of a horror movie. If one of those women had a fucking firearm and used it that man would not have done what he did.

So tell me again why having guns is a bad thing and why the UK is better? If by better you mean more at risk of being killed by psychos, yes, they are.




From my understanding the crossbow killer ambushed his victims, killed them, then cut them to little pieces, pretty grizzly but the thing is he killed them by ambushing, I mean if you get ambushed and shot, how will a gun help you? Chances are you are shot before you can draw a gun.

Why personally I think the UK or Europe in general is better regarding guns is, imagine how many more people or rather women the crossbow killer could have murdered and eaten if he had had a gun. You will always have psychos in every society, personally I prefer it if the psychos and criminals don't have an easy access to firearms. Makes me feel a bit more secure

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 4:56:22 AM   
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What is is with you Brits always worrying about what Americans are doing? Don't you have a life?


well...its too early yet to watch coronation street, eastenders and whatever soaps they tend to watch here

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 4:57:57 AM   
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lol...five times the number of people but according to some newspapers UK's crime is even worse than in the US




So all the more reason to not give them guns, because then you got criminals with guns.... Apparently the biggest crime is burglary, a dog is a pretty good way to keep burglars away and to be honest even without a dog, we have a fairly good alarm system, an insurance - I'd rather let the burglar take what he wants instead of risking to be injured.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 5:11:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		LadyC I disagree. Anyone who violates the trust society puts in them should be dealt with as harshly as is humane, and by the slimmest of margins. I am expected to live up to the trust society has placed in me, you don't have to worry about your purse or safe or stash if you leave me alone with it. It is called trust. Violate that trust and you are nothing but an animal, and I know because I used to be such an animal. They must be stopped, at every turn, at every course, and they must know that we, those who value trust, will not have them among us.

Get tied up someday and tell me about trust.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 5:22:02 AM   
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A good archer can murder dozens of unarmed people as easily as a gun man. Odysseus did.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 5:26:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		My family has always owned guns, and always kept in practice so they could use them well.

I still have 2 pistols and one rifle.  I have never had to pull them on anyone, thank goodness, because one thing I was taught was you don't pull it out until you are ready to empty it on the threat.

Tis the American way.....

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 5:31:34 AM   
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lol...five times the number of people but according to some newspapers UK's crime is even worse than in the US




So all the more reason to not give them guns, because then you got criminals with guns.... Apparently the biggest crime is burglary, a dog is a pretty good way to keep burglars away and to be honest even without a dog, we have a fairly good alarm system, an insurance - I'd rather let the burglar take what he wants instead of risking to be injured.


yes, but criminals have guns here too...and sadly if you aren't a home owner then it is damn difficult to find a landlord over here who allows you to have a dog...and I better don't even dare to think about something like an alarm system here In 2007 I remember when a guy entered my room with a big grin on his face when I was living in a house share...only to run down the stairs big time when he realised my room is not empty as I was sitting on my bed staring at him...that one appeared to have managed to enter our house whilst builders have been working in the entrance area...

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 5:39:06 AM   
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My family has always owned guns

Tis the American way.....


lol, that reminds me when I said to a date in Oklahoma during a chat last year, that I would dig wholes in his garden to burry his guns he owns...to have them out of the house if he and I would have moved on together....gosh, did he go mad about that idea

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 6:19:58 AM   
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I mean it, and the possible thrills are abound. If I ever get into the cockpit of a plane and want to take off, I will figure out how to start the thing. You think a Man of logic such as I would think to just land, return the plane and everything would be hunky dory ? Fuck no. I would crash that plane.


I have no doubt that would be the outcome, intentional or not.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 6:43:25 AM   
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Still dunno what ta crash ina tho..........

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 6:50:53 AM   
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LadyC I disagree. Anyone who violates the trust society puts in them should be dealt with as harshly as is humane, and by the slimmest of margins. I am expected to live up to the trust society has placed in me, you don't have to worry about your purse or safe or stash if you leave me alone with it. It is called trust. Violate that trust and you are nothing but an animal, and I know because I used to be such an animal. They must be stopped, at every turn, at every course, and they must know that we, those who value trust, will not have them among us.

Get tied up someday and tell me about trust.

T



Sorry, makes no sense. A criminal will always be a criminal and I wouldn't put trust in them, the only difference is, can he be an even more dangerous criminal by having firearms easily available? Currently it's not easy to purchase or own a gun legally in most parts of Europe, there have been more illegal guns around due to the downfall of the former Eastern Block, the most hardened criminals will possibly have guns, but by making it easy for everybody, even the relatively harmless criminals like small time burglars might start carrying them, and that would make it far more risky, I think.

You have to take into consideration that most European countries never had guns readily available, I understand that it's different in the US because there are so many guns around and also in hands where they shouldn't be, that for some people carrying or owning one is protection. What would happen here would be that the amount of accidents and armed robberies would increase dramatically if we'd introduce the same laws.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 6:54:08 AM   
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Canada has more guns than we do,



I'm not familiar with this claim. Since Canada's population is roughly 10% of the US population, I'd like to offer you the opportunity to back that up before I declare you full of shit.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:01:32 AM   
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Guns don't kill people.

Bleeding out kills people.

Call your Representative and tell them to vote Yes on Proposition BOGOG.

Buy One Get One Gauze.

Stop the bleeding in 2011.

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:06:59 AM   
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What is it with you Americans and guns?Why do you need them?

We need them to keep the stupid fucking limeys out.

~stef


Ok, Stef ... this was a good one! 

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:14:17 AM   
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Sorry, makes no sense. A criminal will always be a criminal and I wouldn't put trust in them, the only difference is, can he be an even more dangerous criminal by having firearms easily available? Currently it's not easy to purchase or own a gun legally in most parts of Europe, there have been more illegal guns around due to the downfall of the former Eastern Block, the most hardened criminals will possibly have guns, but by making it easy for everybody, even the relatively harmless criminals like small time burglars might start carrying them, and that would make it far more risky, I think.

You have to take into consideration that most European countries never had guns readily available, I understand that it's different in the US because there are so many guns around and also in hands where they shouldn't be, that for some people carrying or owning one is protection. What would happen here would be that the amount of accidents and armed robberies would increase dramatically if we'd introduce the same laws.


Whether it makes sense to you or not, the question is what actually works...

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... It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
...
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.

While legalizing guns would put weapons in more criminal's hands, those same criminals would quickly find out what it is like to look down the barrel belonging to their would-be victim... and their victim's neighbor next door... and the neighbor across the way... and any good Samaritan just passing by.  

Seems to me that a lot of those "borderline" criminals just might decide that a life of crime isn't worth the risk.




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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:18:13 AM   
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Canada has more guns than we do,



I'm not familiar with this claim. Since Canada's population is roughly 10% of the US population, I'd like to offer you the opportunity to back that up before I declare you full of shit.


Ok, well this is from the National Firearms Association, wich, as far as I can tell, is their version of the NRA

http://www.nfa.ca/node/72

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:22:10 AM   
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google the phrase gun owners stats.

yes, there are contradictory stats there.. but statistics are notorious for being manipulated by whichever side wants the results.  However, there are other links to follow, so do that and see what ya find.

I do not expect the voices here to change their tunes.. it is a HEATED issue.

but at least look at the studies from both points of view...

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:28:09 AM   
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Whether it makes sense to you or not, the question is what actually works...

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... It means there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.
...
By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.

While legalizing guns would put weapons in more criminal's hands, those same criminals would quickly find out what it is like to look down the barrel belonging to their would-be victim... and their victim's neighbor next door... and the neighbor across the way... and any good Samaritan just passing by.  

Seems to me that a lot of those "borderline" criminals just might decide that a life of crime isn't worth the risk.





Seems to me that in the US the borderline criminals all get weapons and there are a few people with anger management problems...

The idea that more guns mean more security is the BS the weirdos from National Rifle Association are sprouting, and of course they have no reason to lie, I mean they are only sponsored by people who have an interest in people spending money on guns, how strange...

Because the US seems to have quite a problem with illegal firearms, there's really no reason that most of Europe has to copy it. Check the number of gun related crimes in various European countries and the US.

I know, a terrible European concept that I'm not willing to risk life and safety due to some hare brained scheme that it might work, if it doesn't then you create a massive problem here. The fact that most UK policemen aren't actually armed doesn't mean a thing, I guess...

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RE: GUNS - 12/30/2010 7:28:13 AM   
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You'd be surprised, I know how to work them thar aeliron thingies, what them flaps is fer and how to work the stik, wheeeel er whatever.

Still dunno what ta crash ina tho..........

T

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