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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 8:29:32 AM   
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There is ABSOLUTELY no difference between a man screwing a woman in my home or in her home or in his home.  Safe, sane, and consensual.
The fantasy is the woman's. 


To play the devil's advocate, which precautions do you have if the woman changes her mind after the game and runs to the police and says you forced her? Maybe threatened her if she wouldn't play along, it would be her word against her word. I wouldn't play that game with a complete stranger.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 8:40:35 AM   
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Everything has been well thought out. I think there are subs out there that would definitely be up for this. A great fantasy safely played out.

You don't think there's a risk of the sub being monopolised? ;)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 8:56:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got dibs on Marvin Gardens. Me and my little silver hat. Don't be tryin' to pay me with them pink $5 bills, tho.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 12:45:11 PM   
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Everything has been well thought out. I think there are subs out there that would definitely be up for this. A great fantasy safely played out.

You don't think there's a risk of the sub being monopolised? ;)


Perhaps I should of said 'So long as everything has been well thought out' and 'great fantasy if its safely played out'
and in this particular case, the sub very much wants to be monopolised!



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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 12:48:17 PM   
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Everything has been well thought out. I think there are subs out there that would definitely be up for this. A great fantasy safely played out.

You don't think there's a risk of the sub being monopolised? ;)


Perhaps I should of said 'So long as everything has been well thought out' and 'great fantasy if its safely played out'
and in this particular case, the sub very much wants to be monopolised!


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 3:42:31 PM   
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JOHN2289: That is what they invented punishment and discipline for. There is cooking, there are dishes to be cleaned, and a few ... um... personal services.

But looking at your pic, I would have to raise prices. lol
Quality always costs extra.


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Mummyman321: Talk to me. I am sure we can work out a deal :)


i suppose these are compliments.

I think.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 4:24:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks LadyConstanze for your input.

There are a lot more precautions taken than in any normal playdate one might have with local kinksters.

First, she comes from interstate at her own expense.  It is not something she just happened to enter on the spur of the moment.
Second, there are emails, personal messages, MSN logs etc where all the aspects are detailed and agreements reached.
Third, she must make a decision about each individual client and about each activity. She can veto anything she wants.
Fourth, she has a picture frame containing monopoly money which she accepted as part of a fantasy.
Fifth, before she gets here I check her out through her profile etc.
Sixth, if she complains to the cops she will miss her flight home.
Seventh, she can always be extradited back to face a charge of perverting the course of justice.
Eighth, and MOST important -- I am a nice guy who would make sure she felt safe and comfortable.
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In any BDSM activity there is always the possibility of remorse, or fraud.  That is why we only play with people we trust.  When someone goes to the cops they out themselves at the same time, so they have to really believe they have been victimised before doing so.  And even then they might need to justify their own history to the cops.
It is MY home.  I don't let ANYONE play unless they are friends.  And after a whole bunch of emails and phone calls I would hope that I could detect someone who isn't.

Thanks for raising such a good question.


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 4:49:38 PM   
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First, she comes from interstate at her own expense.

That leaves me out of the game then. Sorry.


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 5:00:37 PM   
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There are more psychos out there than we like to think about, I've seen it at BDSM parties where a woman willingly took part in all sorts of fun, then felt remorse and tried to tell her ex she was "forced" to get him to beat up one of the other guys, I recently had somebody I knew briefly for a couple of years turn psycho on me with distinctive stalker behaviour, both appeared reasonably sane... The problem with psychos is that they're actually quite good in hiding their condition and appearing normal and sane.

Phone calls and emails might not be enough, sometimes even knowing somebody is not enough, think about relationships going sour and one of the ex-partners turns into a raving loony bin...

With your scenario, because it is a woman and there's sex involved, it would gain a lot of attention, sure if you can show a lot of evidence you might not be found guilty but there could be a massive scandal which possibly wouldn't make living in your area very pleasant.

Of course this is a worst case scenario, but I'm pretty sure that you don't want to grace the front pages of the Aussie papers as the guy who "Sold women for Monopoly money..."

Maybe I'm overly paranoid, but it's something that crossed my mind as a danger.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 5:24:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		And of course these women have to trust that some dude they've never met isn't going to harm her when she shows up, that he won't sell her for real money. What kind of guarantee do they have that this guy is for real?

After all, most of us - but not him - know that condoms don't protect against all disease transmission. The johns all happy to get blow jobs wearing a condom? Because disease transmission can occur during oral sex also.


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 10:00:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		They can always ask the ones who were here before.

And thanks for the advice about condoms, being only 60 years old I haven't taken that subject yet in the College for the Blooming Obvious.  Your comments would have more weight if I knew you were standing outside every dungeon in New York and giving the same advice to people as they walk in.

Why is a sex act in my spare room more dubious than a sex act in the back row of your local movie theatre?  Oh thats right, the women who visit me are having more fun!


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 11:12:12 PM   
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Ever had that fantasy where you are a hooker for a few days, being used by a number of men just as meat for their entertainment, having a pimp who takes half your money and treats you just like a whore?




Why yes, I call it "Wednesday through Friday at my Ford Dealership Service and Maintenance Department."

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/3/2011 11:33:01 PM   
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They can always ask the ones who were here before.

And thanks for the advice about condoms, being only 60 years old I haven't taken that subject yet in the College for the Blooming Obvious.  Your comments would have more weight if I knew you were standing outside every dungeon in New York and giving the same advice to people as they walk in.

Why is a sex act in my spare room more dubious than a sex act in the back row of your local movie theatre?  Oh thats right, the women who visit me are having more fun!



Because you brought up the subject as a topic of conversation wanting advice.

I think this is a terrible idea. Why?

YOUR INVITING A COMPLETE STRANGER to trust you completely...

You know the craigslist killer, was a wonderful father and husband
Many rapists and serial killers, are men who are nice friendly and even charming, ted bundy who killed over 30 women was a nice sweet charming guy who made women feel safe and comforted to get into his car......


So youve vetted these men, know what happens if one continues after she says no? You go to jail as an accessory....


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 1:43:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		This isn't for everybody. Personally I wouldn't get off on it but I certainly know some women who would. I know a few women that have been gang banged by strangers and thats their kink. It may be unsavory to some but if its what they want and what they are looking for then surely that's fine? She knows she is taking risks but like one friend I know who is into this sort of stuff, its the risks that take her there in the first place.
Are we saying that our kink is ok but someone with this sort of fantasy is crazy? Who are we to make that sort of judgment?
The great thing about internet dating, especially with this sort of thing is, there is always a paper trail. If a woman went to the police and said 'this guy pimped me for monopoly money they would immediately suspect a sexual game and look for evidence to support that.
There will always be people that want to get involved in this sort of thing. There will always be women who want to get fucked by half a dozen men in an evening and there are always women who will happily get fucked by a stranger in a condom for money (porn movies/prostitution).


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 1:47:10 AM   
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There will always be people that want to get involved in this sort of thing. There will always be women who want to get fucked by half a dozen men in an evening and there are always women who will happily get fucked by a stranger in a condom for money (porn movies/prostitution).


And there will be women who change their mind before during and after...

The guy is Claiming that all the people who hes involving are completely safe, Because hes making that promise if something does go wrong, he committed a crime.... and is now an accessory.

Even with a paper trail even with documented proof, if she backs out or changes her mind after she gets there,,, theres a chance those people will still continue.

Again ted bundy was a sweet charming charismatic man who had a hell of a lot of people fooled...



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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 2:33:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JOHN2289

Ever had that fantasy where you are a hooker for a few days, being used by a number of men just as meat for their entertainment, having a pimp who takes half your money and treats you just like a whore?




Why yes, I call it "Wednesday through Friday at my Ford Dealership Service and Maintenance Department."

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Happy New Year, chia :)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 4:45:33 AM   
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SpiritedRadiance,

This could happen with any guy we meet off the internet. They could charm our knickers off for weeks/months and then turn out to be another Ted Bundy. We could be going to meet one guy and not know about the other half dozen that are ready to load us into the boot of a car and take us off down some dark alley.
Any new play partner could back out or change her mind in the middle of play. Any sub could go to the police with fresh bruises and claim she was raped. Anyone in this lifestyle that takes the physical side of BDSM is capable if they wanted to of stirring up a whole load of shit.

I personally think gang bang situations can be dangerous (though swingers and doggers do it all the time) If the woman backs out then the man who is in charge hasn't got a hope if the others decide to continue but I don't think we are talking gang bangs here are we? Isn't this guy going to over see these other guys one at a time? Is there going to be a whole load of guys on her at the same time?

A lot of the women who do this sort of thing are very sexually experienced. They are risk aware and take the necessary precautions. Sometimes, no matter how many precautions you take, you can still find yourself in a whole heap of trouble. That could be one man or ten.

I know one woman that books a hotel room, advertises through a code in the local paper and allows strangers to come in and wank or piss on her whilst she lays in the bath. I personally think she puts herself in a whole heap of danger not only from strange men but from diseases but its her choice.
What we may consider extreme is hardly worth getting out of bed for, for some people


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 4:50:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		And there will be women who change their mind before during and after...

This is true of ALL activity throughout the whole lifestyle, and applies equally to any sex act between yourself and your own husband.  And yet people still engage in such activities.

The guy is Claiming that all the people who hes involving are completely safe, Because hes making that promise if something does go wrong, he committed a crime.... and is now an accessory.

No, if something does go wrong I STOP IT.  That is why it is in my home.  I am on the other side of that door, protecting her.  She is safer in my home than you are in yours, because of the presence of a third person.

Even with a paper trail even with documented proof, if she backs out or changes her mind after she gets there,,, theres a chance those people will still continue.

There is a chance in EVERY BDSM encounter.  This is WHY it is organised this way, to make sure that the woman has a third party present.

Again ted bundy was a sweet charming charismatic man who had a hell of a lot of people fooled...

This is the second time you have mentioned ted bundy.  I don't recall him starting a forum post and asking for comments and advice.  Indeed, I feel kind of insulted.  If there had been someone keeping an eye on his first victim, 30 women would be alive today.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 5:24:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		this game was alot more fun before all the interjection. I would firstly like to applaude your creativity, this sounds to me like a fun roleplay but..... to me its unlikely that many subs will actually go through with it. the fantasy is fun, but to go to a complete strangers home to have monoply money sex with more complete strangers would take a sub with alot of courage or not alot of common sense. My sarcastic side would like to make a few points now:

1) your ruining a perfectly good board game, with no cash the game is useless
2) Parker Bros. in no way condones the use of their play money as payment for goods or services
3) you would pull off the monoply man look much better with a nice top hat (everybody knows the hat makes the man)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/4/2011 5:45:06 AM   
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I have a confession to make, but don't tell anyone.....

I will be scanning and printing my own FAKE monopoly money so I can keep the real stuff with the boardgame.

So not only do they NOT get cash, they don't even get REAL monopoly money!

I feel so ashamed. :(

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