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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:18:12 AM   
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That’s made me think of a new game ... "TwattleShips" ... I'll work the rules out later.


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:18:49 AM   
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Insulting hookers is wrong now? When did that happen? Did I miss a vote? :)


Implying hookers will fuck just anyone at anytime anywhere isnt correct there for insulting....

Yeah but they're hookers! Am I supposed to care? ;)

You'll be saying I have to be nice to traffic wardens next, and that'll be a pleasantry too far for me :)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:21:32 AM   
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Yeah but they're hookers! Am I supposed to care? ;)

You'll be saying I have to be nice to traffic wardens next, and that'll be a pleasantry too far for me :)



Ahh... your life is just getting rougher and rougher by the minute. Poor dear. For a small fee, I'll provide comfort.


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:21:52 AM   
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That’s made me think of a new game ... "TwattleShips" ... I'll work the rules out later.

We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine.

<Barry Norman Mode>

Which brings me to this week's must-see new sequel: "Master And Commander II - Seamen On Deck".

For my money, and very nice money it is too, the addition of a few chicks has vastly improved the franchise ...

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:23:23 AM   
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Ahh... your life is just getting rougher and rougher by the minute. Poor dear. For a small fee, I'll provide comfort.

<fx: pencil hovers over the "Hooker" box on his "I-Spy Dodgy Urban Life" card>

<fx: decides he'd rather live>

<fx: puts pencil down>

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:27:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		*snickers* Depends on if you count adult phone actresses as hookers. Though I much prefer the term "lady of the night", "sex trade worker" or the simple "whore". I dunno what it is - I just don't like the word hooker.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:30:08 AM   
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*snickers* Depends on if you could adult phone actresses as hookers.

I do not. And nor does anyone with a dictionary.

OTOH I don't exactly count them as "actresses" either, although thinking about it I suppose it's not that incorrect a term.

ETA: I don't like the word "hooker" being used in that context either, but that's because I'm an ex rugby player ...

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:36:31 AM   
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I do not. And nor does anyone with a dictionary.

OTOH I don't exactly count them as "actresses" either, although thinking about it I suppose it's not that incorrect a term.

Hey, some of the phone calls took a lot of acting to convince the men that I was into what they were into.

Thank you college theatre classes...


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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:39:35 AM   
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I do not. And nor does anyone with a dictionary.

OTOH I don't exactly count them as "actresses" either, although thinking about it I suppose it's not that incorrect a term.

Hey, some of the phone calls took a lot of acting to convince the men that I was into what they were into.

Thank you college theatre classes...

Oh I can imagine ... hence me having a re-think on the terminology.

But, on balance, while there are certainly acting elements, I think "actress" is a tad too far off-target for the description.

How about "professional bullshit artist"? No! Wait! Got it! "Paid Ego Massager" ;)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 7:54:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hrm.... I guess it gets down to how you define actor/ess. According to Webster it's:

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: one that acts : doer
a : one who represents a character in a dramatic production b : a theatrical performer c : one who behaves as if acting a part
3: one that takes part in any affair


The last part of the second definition, one who behaves as if acting a part, certainly applies quite well to the job. Though it's certainly no Othello and Desdemona,  I would venture to say the audience leaves more... relieved at the end of the performance. 


Edited because copying and pasting from the website went REALLY wonky.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 8:49:27 AM   
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Hrm.... I guess it gets down to how you define actor/ess. According to Webster it's:

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: one that acts : doer
a : one who represents a character in a dramatic production b : a theatrical performer c : one who behaves as if acting a part
3: one that takes part in any affair


The last part of the second definition, one who behaves as if acting a part, certainly applies quite well to the job. Though it's certainly no Othello and Desdemona, 

I'm not being deliberately difficult, but taking part of one definition that partially applies to something as a synonym of that something isn't generally held as being correct, from a linguistic POV. In other words, one could say "the job of phone sex operator has elements of the theatrical", which would be ok(ish), whereas saying "phone sex operators are actresses" is not.

Oh and "theatrical" would be stretching it, IMHO at least. "Theatrical" means "of, or pertaining to, a theatre". Or, "having the properties of a theatre or acting", which is stretching it a bit. Again IMHO, and again, with respect.

Note I don't give a fuck in any case, but I thought I'd mention it :)


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I would venture to say the audience leaves more... relieved at the end of the performance. 

:)

Certainly brings a whole new meaning to "luvvies" ;)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:14:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		anyway, the few hookers i have known were not very picky at all... they weren't very smart either or good at acting really... and if i was a whore i would be the same

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:20:46 AM   
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anyway, the few hookers i have known were not very picky at all... they weren't very smart either or good at acting really

Well, thinking about it, for most people, you would imagine if they had genuine intellectual talents then they wouldn't have to fuck strangers for cash?

I accept there must be a very small proportion who enjoy their work, but for the overwhelming majority I doubt they dreamed of being a prostitute as a child.

Or maybe I'm very naive :)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:25:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		well, for some it might be an unusual carier choice, and i have always found comfort in the thought that as a last resort i could always earn some cash on my back... it does not seem to matter how old you are or what you look like either... not in Amsterdam anyway

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know you aren't. And I'm not being particularly serious. Though I do find your above assertion of having to be dumb or lacking in talents to be in the sex trade industry... Well... Less than researched, shall we say? :-)

It's a pity that LuckyAlbatross isn't posting here much anymore. Regardless, I maintain that it depends on what you define as acting or an actor. Are they the classical trained Shakespearen actors or do the "perform once a month, if that, community theatre" sorts make it as well. What is the standard? Is it because they are acting out sex that makes them not actors or is their performing skill and the ability to make their audience believe what is happening and to be drawn in?

For me, what definitions acting is the latter and it's not restricted to the stage. That there are a variety of performers who fill different needs of our culture, from the "elite" to the "vulgar". Are they all Oscar winners? No, certainly not. But they entertain us for awhile, draw us into a more pleasant frame for a brief period. That, to me and only me, is worth the term of "actor" and "actress".

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:35:05 AM   
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well, for some it might be an unusual carier choice, and i have always found comfort in the thought that as a last resort i could always earn some cash on my back... it does not seem to matter how old you are or what you look like either... not in Amsterdam anyway

heh ... I recall, about 20 years ago, walking through the red-light area in Amsterdam, with a mate. We'd gone for the "smoking", as it were, but as the "coffee" shops were in the same area (i.e. the red light one) we generally used to wander around on the odd evening, for the amusement factor.

As we passed a group of young British lads, one of them looked at a prossie in one of the windows and piped up with "look at her Pete! She's gorgeous!".

His mate replied "Nah mate ... she is fucking rancid", and for some reason* we found this hugely funny, and fell about laughing hysterically.

The group of lads found us finding them funny, funny, and soon the whole group of us were laughing like loons, shaking hands and making introductions.

Then the brothel's bouncer came out and shouted at us, so we fucked off :)

*wholly unconnected with our degree of stoned-ness, I'm sure ;)

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:40:52 AM   
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I know you aren't. And I'm not being particularly serious. Though I do find your above assertion of having to be dumb or lacking in talents to be in the sex trade industry... Well... Less than researched, shall we say? :-)

Actually that's not what I said, or at least wasn't what I meant to imply. I said that, if a prostitute has other ways of making a living, then for most of them, they'll make that living another way, since for most people, having strangers fuck them for cash isn't a great way to make a living. I accept the concept that a few do enjoy it, but for the most part if you ask them (as surveys have done) if they are happy in their "work", then the overwhelming majority are very, very unhappy about it.

As an example, I know a lap dancer. Well, ex lap dancer. She made an absolute fortune doing so, didn’t have to fuck anyone she didn’t want to, and bought herself a very nice house and effectively retired by the time she was 25. That's not the same thing as being a prostitute, and nor is "sex phone operator" either.

Does that explain my point a little better? I'm concerned I didn't express myself clearly the first time.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:41:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		i would hope that any self respecting whore has a proper dose of rancidness about her, i would have for sure
... was the bouncer over sixty and threatening with his zimmer?

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 9:49:02 AM   
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... was the bouncer over sixty and threatening with his zimmer?

No, he was of Arabic appearance, the size of a small dwelling, in his mid-30s, and looked like the sort of person who, if he didn't like you, would stab you first and ask no questions whatsoever later :)

IIRC my mate, who was somewhat posh and prone to saying things in a rather Noel Coward fashion, said something like “I say! This fellow has a rather charmless demeanour to him!”, then the bloke repeated his initial greeting of “you fuck off, you fucking fucks!*”, so we staggered away, laughing so hard we had to stop halfway back to the hotel to catch our breath.

Happy days.

* I don't think he was ever going to be a writer or broadcaster of any great renown.

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RE: Monopoly Hookers - 1/5/2011 10:20:08 AM   
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Does that explain my point a little better? I'm concerned I didn't express myself clearly the first time.


Better yes. Though that brings up a different point of why. I, for example, have no problem with sex work and there is a good chance (at least as good as that I would take any job) that I would take such a position at least for awhile at some point in my life if it were legal and if society didn't bring such heavy social and legal consequences upon the 'tarnished' - term used very sarcastically - and those affiliated with them. If, for example, I were to become a whore and you dropped me off a house where a client was waiting for me you could be charged with the felony of pimping, despite having arranged nothing. And if I were raped or beaten, say because I refuse to work without a condom, I would have have little ability to seek justice.

So if we are going to look at it in the context of "most who could do something else, do", we also have to look at the variables that influence someone to choose a different trade. Similar to how a person may choose to carry on a family line of work despite not being particularly interested in it themselves, may choose a career simply because it's good for money or family, etc.

I suppose it may boil down to if you consider the above factors to be something that goes hand-in-hand with sex work and completely unavoidable or if these factors could be removed - or at least significantly reduced - through legalization and protection. The latter is what I happen to believe.

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