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question about the "submissive balance sheet"... - 1/6/2011 8:27:27 PM

something1343

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This tread is as to not to derail this thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3482263/mpage_1/tm.htm

In the responses to the other thread, it's rather interesting to see that a statistically improbably large amount of people seem to consider themselves "intelligent"...

It makes me curious what standard most people have to tell "intelligent" from "average" and "dumb".
Do most of you think that making it above the 50th percentile is enough to be considered intelligent? And if not, what percentile needs to be reached before one can speak of intelligence?
Also, note that I'm not necessarily talking about testable IQ. There are definitely other types of intelligence that should count as well, it's just that, even with those, one has to be significantly above the average of the population to actually be considered to have said intelligence.

So where do we draw the line for ourselves and others.
What exactly does it mean when some of you say that your intelligence is an asset?

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/6/2011 11:17:14 PM

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obviously that means there are a lot of dumb dom/mes...

Sarcasm aside, I have seen enough anecdotal evidence to suspect intelligence levels of those (active online) in this lifestyle don't hold to a normal distribution.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 12:02:04 AM

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no idea but i have a very high IQ top 9% but very poor memory recall so in quizes i do really bad and often come lastso does it make me dumb i have no idea

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 12:04:29 AM

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I have total visual recall (99th percentile). Does that make me smart?

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 1:27:19 AM

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Only if you look at smart shit...

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 1:56:33 AM

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Every single respondent is different from the general population in at least two ways:

1. They have Internet access.
2, They're unafraid of challenging social mores to the degree that they're into BDSM.

So they have more computer literacy, and affluence, than the common person, and they tend to be free thinkers. They do NOT reflect the population at large.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 4:36:56 AM

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I'm not suggesting that I was expecting a representation of the normal population here Steven, but instead, am more interested in where people for themselves define the line.

About 70% of the people who filled out the list self-report being intelligent.
Even when taken into account that a medium like this will bias towards intelligence, it would be hard to believe that 70% of submissive answering the question fall within the top 10 or even top 20 percentile wise, when compared with the general population.
I find it unlikely that 70% of the people answering the question would have an IQ above 120 or even above 113 (the 90th and 80th percentile marks).

Therefore, that would suggest that at least part of the people who self-identified as being intelligent mean something else by it than just having a significantly higher IQ than average.

I'm in no way suggesting that these people may be incorrect when self-identifying as intelligent, I'm merely interested to find out what exactly it is that makes them feel they are intelligent. How they define that for themselves, and how they compare it to others.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 6:17:39 AM

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I think it's skewed because less verbal people don't frequent message boards. You have to have a certain affinity and comfortableness with words and writing to answer questions online thoughtfully. And to have that and good writing skills requires above average intelligence.

My IQ is in the 130's. For what it's worth.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 6:30:21 AM

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we all live in lake woebegone and we're all above average

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 6:34:54 AM

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okmfy- the "smart shit" one actually made me LOL. People saying they are intelligent is relative to them. I consider myself intelligent but maybe in a different way than others. I can write with good grammar, I can fix my own car, I can build my own deck, I can have long conversations on subjects and ask concise questions that make sense to the person I am talking with, partly because I am a very curious person and love to learn about people and things I don't know about. Does all that make me intelligent in my opinion? Yes, but maybe others don't see it that way as I am not "book smart". The question is subjective.....

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 6:48:26 AM

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i don't view IQ scores as the be-all-end-all of "intelligence." i have no idea what my own is. i can rattle off "gifted student" programs i participated in in school, but all that means is that i did x, y, and z to certain criteria that fit some nebulous definition of "intelligent."
i do know that i am smart; i've always done well in school, i like to read about topics that some people don't understand. but IQ testing has always been, and will probably always be, very biased. IQ has more to do with how steeped in a particular cultural tradition a person is. =p dictating what is "above average" means that there is some idea of "average" predetermined by any number of arbitrary factors that fit whatever social attitude is most popular at the time.
i've met people who didn't finish high school who could talk circles around "smart people" who boasted about their bajillion point IQ scores and degrees.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 10:20:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: something1343
So where do we draw the line for ourselves and others.
What exactly does it mean when some of you say that your intelligence is an asset?

I don't draw the line.

I've got some papers and test scores that say I'm a really smart cookie, more than most.

I really don't care about it and don't particularly care to define myself as intelligent. If those around me find me to be intelligent and thought-provoking, that's quite enough for me.

But then... I'm not on that thread, saying what I am and am not. And that's really the reason why.

< Message edited by AquaticSub -- 1/7/2011 10:21:06 AM >

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 10:35:43 AM

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I think you ask a good question. I can't answer the as to why because to me the exercise was kind of pointless (yikes, I know that sounds hard but how I feel) to an extent, but I did want to comment on one particular posters answers, seeing as we were told by the OP that we were not able to comment on that thread.

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Liabilities
Extremely Independent
Volatile
Violent
Dangerous Career
Defensively Loyal

Now for me, I find all the items listed as Liabilities to be assets... I also find them extremely hot(so sue me). So by that token, intelligence can be a liability as well... in fact, sometimes cripplingly so.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 10:39:51 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
I really don't care about it and don't particularly care to define myself as intelligent. If those around me find me to be intelligent and thought-provoking, that's quite enough for me.

But then... I'm not on that thread, saying what I am and am not. And that's really the reason why.

I pretty much concur with what you say Aqua.
I did however, contribute, albeit with one word in the assets column. Regardless of the assumption that submission would be a given, most of the time I find it isn't.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 10:45:39 AM

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I listed myself as intelligent because that is how almost everyone who has met me and knows me fairly well describes me. I can be somewhat naive about some aspects of life due to near total isolation for near a decade, but I grasp new concepts quickly and can hold onto a lot of information. I consider someone else intelligent if they can keep up with me in a conversation! :)

And not that it matters, but I actually recently had my IQ scored, and it was 129. >.>

Really interesting question though.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 11:23:00 AM

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Well in my case i have a college degree but as Master says that means you are educated. I also have a great deal of common sense and also what some would call street smarts. I have no idea what my IQ is, but i know Master would not choose a sub that is dumb. he wants a sub he can "talk" to out of the bedroom as well. We talk about many things from reglion to poltics to his time in the Army to our childhoods ect...

Matt's littleone

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 12:13:19 PM

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I am not sure why the OP feels he needs proof of why people consider themselves intelligent but I will bite...

I feel intelligence falls beyond the measurable. Sure, I have a high IQ from testing as do lots of folks here apparently. I have a college degree, big whoop. I know Phd's who are morons.

There is a difference between being book smart and street smart. There is a difference between cerebral intelligence and emotional intelligence. That is where most people fall short, EI.

I consider myself intelligent because of the environment I was brought up in; we valued books, art, theater, film, music, discussion, thought and communication as highly as we value our business acumen and success. Not everyone who appreciates art is intelligent and not every successful person is intelligent. Sometimes, it is just dumb luck.

I view my intellect as the way I communicate my thoughts, the myriad of interests I have, the way I view the world and my ability to be self aware, expressive, insightful, intuitive and empathetic.

It is an individual's perogative to define intelligence in their own manner.

I also like to think being open minded and verbal, utilizing the full spectrum of our lexicon, indicates someone of higher intelligence than someone who is not.

So, from someone who had joined Mensa once and left after 3 meetings because everyone bored me to tears because they could discuss quantum physics, but could not laugh at a joke or make eye contact with a woman, intelligence is very subjective like all else in life.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 12:44:16 PM

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My IQ is in the 99th percentile.

I've been told I'll have better luck dating if I dumb it down.

But I already know I can get laid any old time, so am holding out for someone who will appreciate that aspect of me as well.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 1:07:25 PM

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My IQ is in the 130's Meh.
Numbers do not mean much to me. What I do view as intelligence is the ability to adapt, survive and thrive, regardless of obstacles in your path.

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RE: question about the "submissive balance sheet&q... - 1/7/2011 1:25:39 PM

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i tried to join mensa but was told to try densa

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