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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Oye!

Ron says........"who would want to steal an American made car?"

You post photos of a car, presumably you feel someone should want to steal.

I reply with a very witty reply that I would not want to steal it (would not go to the effort and possible danger) but if someone wanted to GIVE it to me, I would take it. For FREE. (even though we all know, it would not be......taxes etc...) Then, because I would not wish to KEEP it, I would sell it to whomever offered me the most money for it. Effectively getting rid of it and getting something of actual value........MONEY. Where as I could, IF I WANTED to, purchase an automobile that I felt was sufficiently worth having.

Better?

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

Funny hopw you act like the Venona cables support your claim. McCarthy named 159 people onvarious lists of "communists" he claimed to have. Only 9 were and that is based on the Venona cables and other documents now available.

IOW McCarthy ruined innocent people to advance his own career.

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

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Actually Thailand and South Africa lead the United States in gun related deaths, if anyone would take the time to do the research.

But of course it is MUCH easier for non-Americans to say the US leads the world in gun violence.

I said exceptionally high, which is the case. Fourth place on the list below.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
........i agree with you that, when we talk of rhetoric in this context, we are dealing with something with no direct links to consequences. There's no straight line between the words of a Palin or a Sharpton and the acts of seriously misguided people.
However, don't you think that people whose voices get more media attention should be mindful not just of what they say, but the tone of their words? i'm not saying that political discourse must be neutered to the point of bland civility. Some of my favorite insults are political in nature. But there are degrees of hostility and disrespect.
In civilised societies, the political discission is usually (and only mostly uniformly) based on an assumption that ones opponent may be factualy wrong, but is honourably motivated. i believe that this line has been crossed in the US, to that countries dis-service. Phrases like libtards and repukelicans have got way too much useage.
It's one thing to strongly and passionately defend political positions, but once we polarise and personalise that sort of argument then we are taking the brakes off an engine that, sometimes, goes where we really don't want it go..........

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

That is still WAY short of your "Vast Majority" .

How many lives and careers did he ruin with lies and innuendo? Hundreds? a thousand or more? How many 'commies' did he catch? TEN?

As for your suggestion of reading books, sorry Wilbur, I dont read the kind of books you do. I gave up crayolas about 45 years ago.

McCarthy was a lying, bombastic drunk that fed on fear and furthered his career by ruining the lives of others.

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

Funny hopw you act like the Venona cables support your claim. McCarthy named 159 people onvarious lists of "communists" he claimed to have. Only 9 were and that is based on the Venona cables and other documents now available.

IOW McCarthy ruined innocent people to advance his own career.

Of the 62 people on McCarthys original list of 110 still employed in the State Dept, 49 of them were implicated by Venona and/or Philby and had official proceedings started against them within a year of the closing of the special committee. 81 of the 110 were gone by 1954.

You are also either ignorant of or lying about the 9. Those were those found by the Tydings committee to have Communist ties, long before Venona.

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

Funny hopw you act like the Venona cables support your claim. McCarthy named 159 people onvarious lists of "communists" he claimed to have. Only 9 were and that is based on the Venona cables and other documents now available.

IOW McCarthy ruined innocent people to advance his own career.

Of the 62 people on McCarthys original list of 110 still employed in the State Dept, 49 of them were implicated by Venona and/or Philby and had official proceedings started against them within a year of the closing of the special committee. 81 of the 110 were gone by 1954.

You are also either ignorant of or lying about the 9. Those were those found by the Tydings committee to have Communist ties, long before Venona.

Once again after review of the Venona cables less than 9 of the many people McCarthy accused were mentioned in any non benign manner. I have no idea where you're getting your numbers but they do not match up multiple sources publicly available.

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

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"It is difficult to estimate the number of victims of McCarthyism. The number imprisoned is in the hundreds, and some ten or twelve thousand lost their jobs.[43] In many cases simply being subpoenaed by HUAC or one of the other committees was sufficient cause to be fired.[44] Many of those who were imprisoned, lost their jobs or were questioned by committees did in fact have a past or present connection of some kind with the Communist Party. But for the vast majority, both the potential for them to do harm to the nation and the nature of their communist affiliation were tenuous.[45] Suspected homosexuality was also a common cause for being targeted by McCarthyism. The hunt for "sexual perverts", who were presumed to be subversive by nature, resulted in thousands being harassed and denied employment.[46]"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

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ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

Funny hopw you act like the Venona cables support your claim. McCarthy named 159 people onvarious lists of "communists" he claimed to have. Only 9 were and that is based on the Venona cables and other documents now available.

IOW McCarthy ruined innocent people to advance his own career.

Of the 62 people on McCarthys original list of 110 still employed in the State Dept, 49 of them were implicated by Venona and/or Philby and had official proceedings started against them within a year of the closing of the special committee. 81 of the 110 were gone by 1954.

You are also either ignorant of or lying about the 9. Those were those found by the Tydings committee to have Communist ties, long before Venona.

Once again after review of the Venona cables less than 9 of the many people McCarthy accused were mentioned in any non benign manner. I have no idea where you're getting your numbers but they do not match up multiple sources publicly available.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

Funny hopw you act like the Venona cables support your claim. McCarthy named 159 people onvarious lists of "communists" he claimed to have. Only 9 were and that is based on the Venona cables and other documents now available.

IOW McCarthy ruined innocent people to advance his own career.

Of the 62 people on McCarthys original list of 110 still employed in the State Dept, 49 of them were implicated by Venona and/or Philby and had official proceedings started against them within a year of the closing of the special committee. 81 of the 110 were gone by 1954.

You are also either ignorant of or lying about the 9. Those were those found by the Tydings committee to have Communist ties, long before Venona.

Once again after review of the Venona cables less than 9 of the many people McCarthy accused were mentioned in any non benign manner. I have no idea where you're getting your numbers but they do not match up multiple sources publicly available.

They dont match up with the publicly available sources you choose to look at. Mine are publicly available as well. You can start with

this

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
ROFL. Yeah, from before the Venona cables and the arrest of Kim Philby. Thats ok, I wouldnt expect any more of you than to bury your head.

Funny hopw you act like the Venona cables support your claim. McCarthy named 159 people onvarious lists of "communists" he claimed to have. Only 9 were and that is based on the Venona cables and other documents now available.

IOW McCarthy ruined innocent people to advance his own career.

Of the 62 people on McCarthys original list of 110 still employed in the State Dept, 49 of them were implicated by Venona and/or Philby and had official proceedings started against them within a year of the closing of the special committee. 81 of the 110 were gone by 1954.

You are also either ignorant of or lying about the 9. Those were those found by the Tydings committee to have Communist ties, long before Venona.

Once again after review of the Venona cables less than 9 of the many people McCarthy accused were mentioned in any non benign manner. I have no idea where you're getting your numbers but they do not match up multiple sources publicly available.

They dont match up with the publicly available sources you choose to look at. Mine are publicly available as well. You can start with

this

I read this when it came out 3 or 4 years ago and found many places were his claims didn't match easily accessible data. Maybe you should try comparing his claims to the actual Venona documents.
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/venona/index.shtml

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but the book was thorougly documented

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Drilling down farther into the data provided in your own link:

USA

UK

UK is ahead of the USA in % in assault victims, rape victims, total crime victims and a lower overall perception of safety. The UK leads the pack in kidnappings (not even listed in the USA data) and is second behind the US in car thefts.

You are correct about the gun statistics you cite. It can be argued that the other categories where the UK fares poorly are related to its having banned handguns and it can also be argued that the USA is actually safer overall because it has not banned handguns.

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Drilling down farther into the data provided in your own link:

USA

UK

UK is ahead of the USA in % in assault victims, rape victims, total crime victims and a lower overall perception of safety. The UK leads the pack in kidnappings (not even listed in the USA data) and is second behind the US in car thefts.

You are correct about the gun statistics you cite. It can be argued that the other categories where the UK fares poorly are related to its having banned handguns and it can also be argued that the USA is actually safer overall because it has not banned handguns.

Please feel free to use decent figures available from the Home Office that I gave links to in response to your last post
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/recorded-crime-2002-2010.xls

Nation master claims 1207 murders in 2002..The home office counts 1047 in 2002( which was high in part because 173 murders were added after Harold Shipman was arrested)
904 in 2003
868in 2004
764 in 2005
758 in 2006
774 in 2007
657 in 2008
615 in 2009
All figures for the UK  on NationMasters site are  quoted from  2002 which was when reporting crimes in the UK came under the National Crime recording standard.
so ALL their  figures are 8 years out of date ..
Please check out the figures for yourself from the home office website, its in an easy to read excel spreadsheet
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/recorded-crime-2002-2010.xls
oh..
there are 200 headings of crime in the numbers in the uk
I believe the US only uses 50 in its crime figures
it would seem were the same crimes included in the US data, the crime numbers would be much higher
I believe the home office over anything you profess to be true