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Charles6682 -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 2:19:21 AM)

Relax,who dosent love Australia?!A fine country indeed!Robin Willams meant only to joke around and so do I.Its certainly not meant as an insult.Fine people there.




DomKen -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 5:04:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well at least no one in politics had something up with gun cross hairs on her district, and then took them down today

Last year, Sarah Palin's PAC posted a map with gun cross-hairs over the districts of several Democrats who voted for health care reform, including Giffords. Sarah PAC appears to have taken the page down today, but a screenshot is here:

I mean hey, it not like there is nothing else to use to mark a spot other then gun crosshairs


Hell no, there are BULLS-EYES!  http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171  (Not the only one that has ever "targeted" republicans.)

You are either using this tragedy to criticize Sarah Palin which is contemptible or you are saying that there is a connection between what is on a website and what has happened, and evidence to date proves that is a lie, which is contemptible.  So, which is it?

Surely you can see the difference between bullseyes on states and crosshairs associated with individuals?




DomKen -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 5:20:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

Its the right wings hate filled speeches that encourage this kind of nonsense.The constant gay bashing,the constant bashing of those who disagree with them on anything.Hannity,Palin,Limbaugh supporters are all nutjobs.These people dont care about freedom.The biggest bunch of hogwash there is.They seem to be so popular in America.These morons wouldnt have such high ratings if Teabaggers werent raising the volume on their radio everytime these douch bags talk on the radio.Even the local Sheriff there knows its because of the intolerable nonsense.Theres no other way to explain this.Its the intolerable piece of trash Americans that are going to destroy this country once and for all.They are too stupid to realize it.


Limbaugh did encourage Republicans to vote for Hillary in the Dem primaries to prolong the primary, and called it Operation Chaos.  As far as I know, that's the most any of the conservative radiomen have done to foment disobedience to the law.  None of them have advocated violence in any way.

I'm not saying I like any of them, but hey, facts are facts.


G. Gordon Liddy is a long time radio guy and he has definitely incited violence, including recommending that people confronted by ATF agents shoot for the head because the agents wear body armor.

Beck has straight up said he'd like to choke Michael Moore to death amongst other frequent incitements to violence.




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 5:22:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

This scares me.  It scares me a lot. 

I'm not so much afraid of Al Qaeda.  Those guys are looking for the big score, to make a grand statement.  They assemble plans and do all sorts of stuff that leaves trails all over that the FBI can find.

This guy didn't.  He's a loser, a lone wolf, someone that likes to read but can't write to save his life.  Someone who read books that were beautifully organized and presented, and didn't have the capability to be coherent.  He was rejected by the Army, and seems to have had no interests other than smoking weed and making incoherent anti-government rants.

And this insignificant nobody bought a legal gun and shot ten people.

There is no way in hell that someone like this could be tracked or anticipated.

Be afraid.



how about we have a new law that all americans are required to have their hands cut off?


would you feel safer then?

be very afraid!

your next door neighbor might one of "them"

lol





Slow down. Just last week- the big shots were calling for the assassination of wiki leaks founder.

So-  assassinations are ...condoned by this congress.   It is ok for this guy to murder Ahganis- but not the congress who ordered him to do so....  after we were so vehemently going to "end the war".   First  2014,  now forever.

But hell yeah-  call for assassinations by the talking heads and here we are.




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 5:28:16 AM)

PS- I deleted the vids.

I concluded they are pretty much junk mail... so I have no need for them.




rulemylife -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 6:09:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zevar

~FR~

The tragedy today, which was perpetrated on those who have died and all of those wounded, indeed was a causality of murderess actions. No person deserves such callous actions, regardless of their personal beliefs and values. The individual who perpetrated this murderess act has place himself into the role of a contemptible person, by way of his chosen actions.

The trauma experienced as a result of this tragedy is unspoken in its fullness, due to the actions of a young lad who chose to do unto others what he surely would not have done unto himself. Nonetheless, the trauma occurred and has egregiously impacted many people. This sort of murderess pillaging does not come by way of a casual choice. Instead the act of murder planned with 30 rounds or so of ammunition speaks loudly of the sorrow and grief perpetrated on innocent victims.

Political affiliation has not much to do with hate and ignorance. No! These vicious and malicious attributes, hate and ignorance, have been among humanity since time began. At this point it is immature to point fingers and assign blame, aye! However, the murderess actions of this young lad has unnecessarily brought forth a dark night of the soul for many people.

I bid peace where there is turmoil. Strength where there is weakness. Calm where there is anxiety. Wisdom where hate tempts for revenge. Love where hate and anger is running amuck. And above all courage where there is a desire to relinquish toward anything less than the Healing power of all that is derived from the Light of that which does shine forth into this world, when we believe it so, even amidst the ashes of a tragedy such as this.

I bid all well!



If you are going to try and pass yourself off as the wise philosopher it might help your credibility to consult a dictionary.

A murderess is a woman who commits a murder.

Murderous is the word you are looking for.





rulemylife -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 6:36:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Well at least no one in politics had something up with gun cross hairs on her district, and then took them down today

Last year, Sarah Palin's PAC posted a map with gun cross-hairs over the districts of several Democrats who voted for health care reform, including Giffords. Sarah PAC appears to have taken the page down today, but a screenshot is here:

I mean hey, it not like there is nothing else to use to mark a spot other then gun crosshairs


Hell no, there are BULLS-EYES!  http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171  (Not the only one that has ever "targeted" republicans.)

You are either using this tragedy to criticize Sarah Palin which is contemptible or you are saying that there is a connection between what is on a website and what has happened, and evidence to date proves that is a lie, which is contemptible.  So, which is it?



You must be kidding.  Please tell me you are kidding.

You are trying to liken the bulls-eyes on states the Democrats hoped to win with putting cross-hairs on specific candidates?

Even you must realize how preposterous that comparison is.




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 6:53:20 AM)

Sheriff blames free speech as likely cause of Arizona massacre




TheHeretic -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 6:54:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
C'mon, big boy, you made the allegation that I advocate violence. Back it up.



I made no such statement. If you are going to try and function in society at your level of medication, Hippie, you need to learn to tell the difference between reality, and the opiate induced delusions. If you are going to claim that I said something (and probably let it fester for years, because you have no joy to use the memory space for anyway) then you need to back it up to begin with.

Let me be clear, and hope we can penetrate the permafuzz around you. If you wish to go down the path of blaming the tone of the rhetoric for this tragedy, then your contributions from the left have fed the cycle of that rhetoric.

Or maybe you should just get yourself a nice cup of willowbark tea, and drop it.




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:04:45 AM)

I agree.  That guy has delusions.




rulemylife -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:21:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

As far as I know, that's the most any of the conservative radiomen have done to foment disobedience to the law.  None of them have advocated violence in any way.

I'm not saying I like any of them, but hey, facts are facts.



Yes, facts are facts.  This is just a small sample of those facts.  I can spend all day posting these types of quotes from conservative talk shows.

Conservative talk show host arrested

Prosecutors say Hal Turner allegedly posted the threatening Internet messages on June 2. They say the 47-year-old declared his “outrage” over a decision by the three judges in upholding bans on handguns in Chicago and suburban Oak Park.


They quoted Turner’s posting as saying: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed.”


Hate fills the airwaves | USA Today

Clinton consistently refused to defend the right to air "some of the things some of these more extreme talk show hosts have said."

Specifically, he objected to a number of G. Gordon Liddy's remarks.

Liddy, who broadcasts over WJFK-FM in Fairfax, Va., admitted he used handmade drawings of the President and his wife for target practice and discussed shooting Federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms in the head and groin "in legally justified self-defense."


Michael Savage (commentator)

On April 17, 2006, he said of Muslims "They say, 'Oh, there's a billion of them.' I said, 'So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them.' I mean, would you rather die—would you rather us die than them?






rulemylife -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:42:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Be prepared. I have said before, almost certainly in this forum and several others, that the world is a dangerous place. My family and I- the adults, that is- go armed. 


I knew it wouldn't take long.

So I guess we can assume the usual bullshit that if the Judge and the Congresswoman were armed they would have somehow been able to protect themselves against a random ambush.







TheHeretic -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:46:55 AM)

Given the tone and direction of the conversation here, it seems appropriate to me to post this editorial from today's LA Times.

Shooting from the lip in reaction to Gabrielle Giffords tragedy
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The shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords is, of course, both heartbreaking and depressing. It's been years since our country has been through the trauma of a political assassination attempt, and it's no wonder that even the suggestion of one puts us on edge and stokes our fears. Nevertheless, the sane and rational approach to such an event is to stop, take a deep breath, listen to the facts — and above all, to condemn violence in the harshest possible terms.

That, however, was not the immediate reaction of many Americans, as anyone who was surfing the news Saturday morning is aware. Within minutes, hundreds of commenters were at work across the Web loudly seeking to appropriate the story for their own purposes, in many cases fanning it for maximum fear, and injecting it into the roiling narrative of anger, partisanship and paranoia that has taken over so much of the national political conversation.

Some of the comments were vitriolic, bordering on scary. "So Congresswoman Giffords," wrote one commenter on latimes.com, "how's that Obamacare vote working out for you?" On the Washington Post's website, a commenter wrote: "Too bad it wasn't Howard Dean or Al Gore. But a Demokrat is a Demokrat."

The left, for its part, was adamant about who was to blame. "This was a political assassination promoted by the tea party and Sarah Palin," said a not atypical comment on the L.A. Times site. Then there was the paranoid fringe: "2 and 1/2 hours since she was shot and NO WORD on the 'gunman.' Dontcha wonder why???????"

All day, these voices dominated the online debate, opining mostly anonymously and drawing sweeping conclusions before any meaningful information was available. For some of that time, it wasn't clear whether Giffords was dead or alive, or who shot her or why. Despite that, few seemed to have any doubt whatsoever about what had happened and what it all meant. It's a sad commentary on the state of discourse, on the mood of the nation, on all of us.

There were, of course, voices of sanity. "Some of the posters here are real morons," wrote madsircool at 12:19 on latimes.com. "The name of the suspect hasn't been released…. We don't know the possible motive of the shooter. All of you frothing at the mouth from your unfounded speculation should calm down and wait till the facts come out."

We entirely agree (especially with some early reports suggesting the shooter may be more deranged than political). On the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, former President Clinton noted that we are living today in a contentious and partisan time. "We are more connected than ever before," he said, "more able to spread our ideas and beliefs, our anger and fears. As we exercise the right to advocate our views, and as we animate our supporters, we must all assume responsibility for our words and actions before they enter a vast echo chamber and reach those both serious and delirious, connected and unhinged."

Free speech is one of this page's most fundamental values; we wouldn't suggest for a minute that it should be curtailed for fear of its consequences. But we agree with Clinton that people should assume responsibility for what they say, and we are both ashamed and embarrassed at the unreasoned and intemperate commentary we read Saturday.






pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:52:50 AM)

2 wrongs do not make a right.

But ask yourself-- what has happened to due process in this country?

Everywhere you turn- due process is mocked and thrown out the window.

Water board-  indef detention warrant-less wire taps endless bail outs- unauthorized wars- calling for assassinations by congressmen and talking heads. war on everything.

we spread "freedom" to people who frankly do not want our version of it.

In the past 10 years- all the blunders of government- and no one ever gets punished. 9-11, no one gets punished. Katrina.  no one gets punished.  2.3 trillion "missing" from the pentagon- and no one gets punished.  too big too fail and no one gets punished.  War based on lies and no one gets punished.

Enter in the fucking of the Constitution which has everything to do with due process.

Throwing the Constitution out the window- is what is leading to our banana republic.

Maybe wiki leaks will get assassinated-  just like that congressman called for. The whole thing is a nut show- from Wall street- to Washington, and now to the man who went nuts.   Will there be more of the but show?

Who knows.  Will there be a return to due process?   I doubt it.








LaTigresse -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:54:00 AM)

In person, with regard to political discussions....... and oddly, GD and I were talking about it last week.

I am an independent voter. There have been candidates both republican and democrat that I have voted for. That being said, the climate of the last few years has changed quite dramatically. I've become so disappointed in the PR machine of the far right. It reminds me of the mafia. The bosses know exactly how to word things to create an atmosphere of such extreme negativity without specifically saying anything they can be held accountable for. Sarah Palin has been a very good tool for that game. The tea party has been another tool.

I don't particularly care whether a politician has a D or R after their name. What I do care about is their dedication to serving the people that elected them in the manner they marketed themself. That has happened for neither the D or R. The scary part, to me, is the way the far right has used fear in their marketing to such an extreme that the violence in Arizona is only the beginning unless the far right power brokers start accepting their responsibility for the chaos their fear mongering has created.

The vitrol I've seen typed by some of the far right supporters on this site, is out there in the real world. The mental instability reflected in some of these poster's words, is out there in the real world. The far right has been very short sighted in assuming they can use that without consequences. The consequences are out there.

My only hope is that the American public is smarter than the PR machines that have become so skilled at manipulating them. I am not terribly optimistic.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:55:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
C'mon, big boy, you made the allegation that I advocate violence. Back it up.



I made no such statement. If you are going to try and function in society at your level of medication, Hippie, you need to learn to tell the difference between reality, and the opiate induced delusions. If you are going to claim that I said something (and probably let it fester for years, because you have no joy to use the memory space for anyway) then you need to back it up to begin with.

Let me be clear, and hope we can penetrate the permafuzz around you. If you wish to go down the path of blaming the tone of the rhetoric for this tragedy, then your contributions from the left have fed the cycle of that rhetoric.

Or maybe you should just get yourself a nice cup of willowbark tea, and drop it.
You know, I don't much mind being attacked for my political beliefs.

People who attack people's medical conditions are scum. I hope you end up with chronic pain. See how you like it, asshole. You're going on ignore.




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 7:57:29 AM)

Incidentally, Gifford has a good reputation with the silver stackers.   I dont know much about her. 




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 8:01:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
C'mon, big boy, you made the allegation that I advocate violence. Back it up.



I made no such statement. If you are going to try and function in society at your level of medication, Hippie, you need to learn to tell the difference between reality, and the opiate induced delusions. If you are going to claim that I said something (and probably let it fester for years, because you have no joy to use the memory space for anyway) then you need to back it up to begin with.

Let me be clear, and hope we can penetrate the permafuzz around you. If you wish to go down the path of blaming the tone of the rhetoric for this tragedy, then your contributions from the left have fed the cycle of that rhetoric.

Or maybe you should just get yourself a nice cup of willowbark tea, and drop it.
You know, I don't much mind being attacked for my political beliefs.

People who attack people's medical conditions are scum. I hope you end up with chronic pain. See how you like it, asshole. You're going on ignore.



Yeah Heretic.

Learn how to have manners.


HA!  ;-0




TheHeretic -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 8:01:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
You're going on ignore.




It must be my birthday!




pahunkboy -> RE: Arizona Democrat Congresswoman and 11 others shot (1/9/2011 8:10:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
You're going on ignore.




It must be my birthday!



Ponder that- no one has ever done told "me" about medications.

HA!




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