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Ironic, of course, because the Confederacy was the only true treasonous movement that ever gained a foothold here.
Wrong:the first treasonous movement were the revolutionaries in 1776..treason against the then ruling power.

One day we WILL get the colonies back!!!

Which is just about as likely as the South rising again lol

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Just like the when the Northern states ended slavery long before the South did,the Northern states are also easing their additudes towards gays on a statewide level.While the South continues to pass anti-gay laws.

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In the popular imagination, racism is particularly associated with the American South, with its legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. However, all regions of the United States have exhibited racism in various forms and at various times. For example, the Great Migration of African Americans (1910–1930) from the South to the Northeast, Midwest, and West, led to increased Black/White contact, racism, and segregation in the destinations.

West Coast racism

The Pacific and Western states were often portrayed to those on the East Coast as more liberal in terms of race relations in the 1960s and 1970s, but California legally allowed racial segregation of public facilities until the 1950s and other forms of racism were felt there as well.

Over the winter spanning 1929 and 1930, anti-Filipino racism exploded in the Central Coast area surrounding Watsonville over labor tensions and general xenophobia. Filipino farm workers were terrorized for "taking jobs from whites," and for mixing with white women; in California, and many states, Filipinos were barred from marrying White Americans (a group which included Hispanic Americans). Violence was done against Filipinos, some resulting in deaths, and a Filipino establishment was even dynamited. A race war broke out in the Bay Area, with roving gangs of whites pulling Filipinos from their homes and dwellings, until the violence subsided. As a result of the riots, California's attitude changed towards importing cheaper Asian labor, ironically moving towards utilizing cheaper Mexican labor instead.[93]

See also: History of Oregon Racial Discrimination

A variety of laws were enacted to prevent African American migration to the Pacific Northwest. While slavery was criminalized in the Oregon Territory in 1844, a so-called "lash law" subjected blacks found guilty of violating the law to whippings—no less than 20 and no more than 39 strokes of the lash—every six months "until he or she shall quit the territory." An exclusion law, barring African Americans from entering the territory was passed in 1847, repealed in 1854, and added to the new Oregon state constitution in 1857. While African Americans have been present at some level since 1805, the demographic reverberations of these laws remain today.[94]

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i am grateful that at least SOMEBODY knows what the original post was about!

Based on Haley Barbour's recent misty-eyed fondness for the pre-Civil rights era in the South, telling us all how good it was; And Virginia's strenuous declarations that black people fought for the Confederacy, and were damn glad to be property of white folks; and South Carolina's warm embrace of its Confederate heritage...yeah, I would say there is in fact a small but apparently growing problem of Confederate sympathizers in America.

Making a mental note to add to the list: "Is this a thread about whether there are a growing number of Confederate sympathizers in America, and whether that constitutes a problem."

Ironic, of course, because the Confederacy was the only true treasonous movement that ever gained a foothold here.

No, i believe the first was the American Revolution.

The Communist party at its zenith only dreamed of the support the Confederacy still holds over sections of America;

Sorry to be so contrary, but i believe the "Confederacy" was dissolved at the end of the Civil War. As far as i know there isn't a "Confederacy" nowadays. There is, apparently, some political support for the idea of modern secession, but it does not appear to be a concerted effort by any group of states, but rather states acting on their own. The few posters who have mentioned it seem to think it is very unlikely, and the talk is a just bunch of hot air. Do you disagree with that? What do you mean by "the support the Confederacy still holds over sections of America"? Who do you think is in this Confederacy, and what are they supporting?

While the Confederacy was by all accounts a monstrous evil, a force both traitorous and opposed to the very principles of America, we have at least one sitting Senator from Alabama who is named after not one, but 2 Confederate war heroes.

i don't think that anywhere near "all accounts" say that the Confederacy was a monsterous evil, although i believe most modern accounts agree that slavery was. Slavery was also practiced in the North, and even Lincoln, upon declaring war, only outlawed slavery IN THE STATES THAT WERE SECEEDING. Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware (as well as the portion of Virginia that would later become West Virginia, and D.C.) were all union states where slavery was legal. i think it's to simplistic to paint the Civil War as a war of good against evil. i believe the reality was MUCH more complicated than that.

There was a time when I thought we could laugh off the Stars and Bars flags in the rear window of pickup trucks as some quaint cultural tic, but not any more.

Why now less than before? What has changed?

I don't know why we are any more accepting that flag than a swastika since they seem to be on par with each other.

As far as i know, flying either one is still legally protected under the First Amendment. Although people will, obviously, have very strong opinions about it.

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Why try to cookie cutter the facts,no matter how one wants to twist it.The South did some horrible things as recently as the 1960s.

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well, 6 pages later and Charles cant seem to remember why he posted this thread.

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Just like the when the Northern states ended slavery long before the South did,the Northern states are also easing their additudes towards gays on a statewide level.While the South continues to pass anti-gay laws.

So just because one region does it first, it makes them ... what? Better? More tolerant? Less racist?

Do you even get along with your neighbors?

There is no part of the US that is free from racism.... none.

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What do you mean by "the support the Confederacy still holds over sections of America"? Who do you think is in this Confederacy, and what are they supporting?

While the Confederacy was by all accounts a monstrous evil, a force both traitorous and opposed to the very principles of America, we have at least one sitting Senator from Alabama who is named after not one, but 2 Confederate war heroes.

i don't think that anywhere near "all accounts" say that the Confederacy was a monsterous evil, although i believe most modern accounts agree that slavery was.

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Secession was about states rights... not slavery. The slavery issue is what brouoght it to a head.

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Secession was about states rights... not slavery. The slavery issue is what brouoght it to a head.

He posts about conservatives when he has no clue what we believe, why should he know anything about the Civil War when he posts about it?

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But I am sure they were just honorable gentlemen politely disagreeing over the proper size and scope of government.