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Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 4:33:57 PM   
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You know, I've never given this dark concept much thought until the last 3-4 years when a couple of people close to me passed away, alone.

And by "Alone" I mean literally that, nothing to do with being married or kids, but there actually being nobody in the house, or a colleague working late when it happens. I watched this scene on some tv drama where the copper comes across a road accident, the woman driver's legs are crushed, she happens to be a Doctor and tells him her chances of surviving until the ambulance arrives are nil. He's a young fella, fairly new on the job to boot and doesn't quite know what to say, he's close to tears and despite her injuries, she reassures him that he's doing fine. It was a moving scene.

Though that's fiction, it's all got me thinking how I would deal with such a situation as a stranger. I guess a dying person would need to feel loved and cared for in the final minutes, even if it's by a stranger. But I wonder if I should lead the conversation with compliments, or let him/her lead, perhaps if I start chattering away I'll disrupt his last thoughts as he tries to interact with me.

But what if there were nobody there for him? What if he were a lonely soul anyway, and the last minutes are the most painful as he never got the friendship he wanted? I would want to fulfil that longing, even if only at the end of his life, so he could go happily. Or say it was a rather unattractive girl who clearly didn't have much luck with men, would she not want a kiss before dying, literally?

At the risk of trivialising the topic, I would feel awkward about asking a dying girl, "Ermmm, would you like a kiss?" I get the feeling this is all almost a taboo topic, one you (should) know about but don't talk about because it would cheapen the effect for the dying person to hear a bunch of cliche'd lines. But still, a part of me is afraid of just winging it.

About 25 years ago, my Aunt twice removed died after being driven to drink by her abusive bastard of a husband. She was a lovely soul who was also quite the beauty, and had a soft spot for me. In her final hours she died of hypothermia in an alleyway, barely 28 years old, tear-stricken according to the Coroner's report. Recently I've wished she could have approached my 15yr old self at the time. I don't know what I would have offered her but I would have said it's never too late to make a fresh start.

I could I understand people who die feel a sense of sudden elation as the brain produces a final enormous surge of Endorphins, and I hope this is true of those who die alone, cold, and in pitiful circumstances.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 5:25:55 PM   
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Maybe you, actually many will not understand this. It is my wish to die alone. I got maybe a dozen people that I care about, to hell with the rest. I mean friends on CM, well they deserve notice and respect when that happens, but really when I die I don't need anyone watching me. We all die alone, unless there is an explosion or something like that, and that doesn't count.

I would prefer to be alone in my last moment in more ways than one. The people I care about, I don't want them to see me die, or even experience the news of it. There are too few of us for that. When the last of us goes, there goes a good size branch of the family tree, and I CAN handle being alone. I can't expect that of the others.

Also, if I am in the hospital or jail, I would prefer not to have visitors.

However if in the company of someone dying, like RIGHT NOW, I could lend an ear, something like that. Try to ease the,,,,,,,, trepidation. "You are going to a better place, after all this place is what killed you". Get a chuckle out of a soon to be corpse. But I can't go with them, even if I were to die simultaneously. We all go alone.

Just bury this post, my background is so different that perhaps my opinions here are not in sync enough to be understood. My people are clanish to the nth degree, and we face death with a smile on our face(s). Bring it on. That's not suicidal nor wreckless, and that is extremely hard for normals to understand.

What do we need ? A crowd to yell "Bon voyage" ? I (we) don't think so. And in that way "we" are alone no matter what.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 5:42:17 PM   
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I was given a death sentence based on information that was available at the time. I had to quickly deal with a lot of things because my time was short according to the information. Do I want someone with me, do I want someone there, do I want them all at school or work? How do I prepare everyone? How do I prepare myself? How do I live what is left, knowing it isn't enough time and do all I need to do and find some peace in it all? On and on and on.

I asked for two more years because I couldn't get it all done before then. lol I cried some tears mostly for those that would be left behind and were minors with no dad with any interest in them. I kept saying, I want to create my happy ending before I go. Then it was... damn, that means asking someone to fall in love with a dying woman! Oh shit!

I researched and found my way to survive and sooner or later it will get me, but I have lived longer than they said I could and I am still going very strong. Still every man that even looks at me with interest has to be told... has to decide whether they can do it or not and most simply just want a taste of me and to run before that bad time comes. lol

Do I want the process of being ill and one day dying to be alone? No. In the here and now, I want someone to share life with. Do I want to never have that happy ending, although I am not unhappy, I still want to get my party on with a man in love? Do I want to live as if I am dying... no frigging way! I want to live and have some life in the living until I cannot live. Other people, just don't want to take all that on. I don't have a choice. lol

But when I die, please let me be alone. I don't want someone holding my hand watching me die and remembering that. Unfortunately, it will most likely be my son that finds me or deals with it and that ought to be interesting. I wonder what he will do. He doesn't like talking about my being gone and will leave the room if anyone does... but I may not get my choice in being alone. So if I could get a days warning to clear him out of the house...lol.. I would think that good.


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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 5:53:57 PM   
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I would rather die like Nelson Rockefeller did, in a New York townhouse with a mistress / aide and a smile on my face.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 5:59:29 PM   
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quote:

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I guess a dying person would need to feel loved and cared for in the final minutes, even if it's by a stranger. But I wonder if I should lead the conversation with compliments, or let him/her lead, perhaps if I start chattering away I'll disrupt his last thoughts as he tries to interact with me.

But what if there were nobody there for him? What if he were a lonely soul anyway, and the last minutes are the most painful as he never got the friendship he wanted? I would want to fulfil that longing, even if only at the end of his life, so he could go happily. Or say it was a rather unattractive girl who clearly didn't have much luck with men, would she not want a kiss before dying, literally?


Not quite sure what you want...however, due to me living on my own abroad I am aware, that if I would die suddenly that it would not necessarily be known fast....If I would be employed then my employer might get suspicious where I am as I am next to never off sick and very rarely late....so I would expect that normally an employer would pick up on that...apart from that I have no doubt that my ex would be surprised not to hear from me and would investigate where I am, if I would not respond to his typical messages "are you ok" or his calls...and when I am not sure if I am 100% ok, such as after my fall on my head last september, then I text or email him my details as a reminder before I go off to bed to ensure he is alert...

If it would be a predictible death I know he (ex) would sort out my stuff and inform my parents once I am gone, as I would not want them to be near me before any final days...so I know I would not tell them. So for me it isn't really scary or so as I see it rather pragmatic.

In regards to a dying person needing to be cared and loved for in the final minutes....IMO that is just like in everything, depending on the individual....I heard stories where people remained with the victims from the london bombings who felt comfort in the fact that someone kept them going or relatives who felt glad that someone remained with their lost one until they died.

In regards to "nobody there for him", I believe in paranormal research which assumes that people who are about to die start to see some of the relatives who left before them. Their research suggests that dying people are being collected from their loved ones to lead them "home." So they wouldn't be that alone...and knowing the smile granny had on her face after she had passed away, I am sure that grandpa had picked her up. Therefore thats not in any way a discomfort to me, to know that if that would happen I would be "on my own."


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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:00:43 PM   
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My favorite aunt died alone last year and it's not something I wish for me but it's an extremely real possibility that this is exactly what will happen with me. I live alone. My daughter lives in another state and I don't see her for quite some time and while I do have Master, we don't live together. Now being that I'm still fairly young this could all very well change in the future, hopefully.

When my aunt died she no one found her body for 2 weeks in her home until the someone noticed the smell from outside. She had been known for becoming a loner in the past few years because she was ashamed of her weight gain and depression had overcome her due to medications for a bad heart.

I can only hope that when I'm dying I can be surrounded by those I love so that I can see their faces one last time and we can share our last moments together. I want to be surrounded by love and light, not by sadness and darkness.


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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:11:14 PM   
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But when I die, please let me be alone. I don't want someone holding my hand watching me die and remembering that.


At present I am only able to imagine that I would accept my ex near me during the final days (if he would do so, which I am pretty sure he would) as he has the certain strong bond which I would need to be able to accept to be near me in such a situation and I know that he would be able to relate to that situation due to his own survival of cancer. However, in regards to holding the hand and watching to die...when my grandpa died when he was in coma, my parents were told from doctors that it is very common for people who die, to die when the person, who sits next to them day in and day out, left for a split second, such as going to the toilet or quickly answering a call or taking a cigarette...they experienced that it is not that common that the person dies whilst they are being watched to die, so to speak. I don't know if that is true but thats what his experience was and said to my parents and I guess if I would be in that situation I would also prefer to leave when eg my ex would not be there at that moment as when he would be there...but then, who knows until you actually are at that stage...

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:12:21 PM   
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It has been my experience that a lot of people wait until they are alone to draw their last breaths. Something about the living that keeps the dying tethered to the earth. I've been with a lot of dying people. And that's how I would want to go also. If I have pain, I would like to have someone there to minister to it, so that maybe I don't suffer too much. But then again, maybe I will want to die like my Father, interested in every aspect & phase of it, not wanting to miss a single sensation of it by being drugged. Because the dying is really all a part of life.

A number of years ago, I left my motorcycle at 30 mph & flew through the air. I believed that when I stopped I would surely be dead. I lived,obviously, but with some fairly serious injuries. I never lost consciousness for an instant. At the time I wished that I had, but now I look back on it & realize that it was just another life experience. Before that, I was terrified of death. Now, not so much. I've lived a great life & if it should happen in the next instant, I'm ok with that.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:17:48 PM   
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I know at least one person who will die alone. It's a consequence of the life that was lived, and the choices that were made about how to live, and how to treat others during that life. If I take the trouble to imagine what it might be like, I think it would genuinely suck, and that seems appropriate.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:22:56 PM   
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Before that, I was terrified of death. Now, not so much. I've lived a great life & if it should happen in the next instant, I'm ok with that.


dito...there isn't that much I missed out on and I also think that my few near miss situations as a wild child led me to not being scared about, as well as from loss being a lot part of my life, so it is a rather normal topic to me.

I know how a previous friend was quite offended when I dared to say "lets wait and see how many cats I will have left once I leave this country" when we spoke about how I would relocate...she couldnt deal with it that I am rather blunt about it that I know that there is no guarantee that I have my cats for long and as I live near main roads since 4 years and I preferred to be realistic about it, that it can happen one day that one of them might get hit by a car as denying that possibility.

By now I think that chance is rather slim as they have incredible respect from the main road (don't even walk with me along the footpath when I go to a corner shop but instead walk through a garden near me to follow me) however I nevertheless know that the danger of being near a main road in that respect simply is one...

anyhow, for me death isn't scary as such, as stated as yes, it is part of life and I am more than happy to go and start fresh again as someone else though after some rest first....


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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:52:18 PM   
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Maybe you, actually many will not understand this. It is my wish to die alone...

I would prefer to be alone in my last moment in more ways than one. The people I care about, I don't want them to see me die, or even experience the news of it...

Just bury this post, my background is so different that perhaps my opinions here are not in sync enough to be understood.


Words out of my mouth, man, straight out of my mouth. That's exactly the way I've always looked at it, too. This is something I've thought about a lot, and I'm sure in my heart that it's the best way to go. I just hope that if and when the time comes for me, I'm not bedridden, and at least have the physical ability to hike into the boonies somewhere off the beaten path a mile or two. Hopefully I won't be too old or sick when the time comes.

But at any rate, all I need is a mile or two, and I can pretty much guarantee nobody would ever find me. I've lived almost my entire life alone; I'd prefer to die that way too. I suppose there are some people who'd feel hurt because they wouldn't have closure, and I'm sorry about that, but at the end of the day, it's my life and nobody else's. My death, too, and nobody else's. And my decision. Nobody else's.


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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 6:57:47 PM   
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In some ways, I'd prefer to die alone. But that's mainly because I don't want to leave anyone behind to miss me, to hurt and be sad when I am gone. I'm not afraid of dying, just another step along the way in my opinion, an inevitable situation that will be there sooner or later (although preferably later), so I really don't need the reassurance from others.

On a lighter note, I'd also like for people to not be there, because if it's my last minutes, I'd probably let everyone around know EXACTLY what I've always thought of them. ;)

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 7:25:01 PM   
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LOL... you could tell them now and assure being alone when you died.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 7:28:21 PM   
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LOL... you could tell them now and assure being alone when you died.


hahahaha! I like the way you think! ;)

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 7:34:58 PM   
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 I'm not afraid of dying alone, I'm afraid misspending the lifetime prior.

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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/12/2011 8:31:27 PM   
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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/13/2011 6:19:04 AM   
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I have been a witness to many dying and i believe we do not make that journey alone.

Does God send an angel as an escort? Does a deceased loved one come to us so we do not walk alone? I have no idea how to explain it without sounding like an idiot.


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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/13/2011 6:24:09 AM   
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What do we need ? A crowd to yell "Bon voyage" ?


Yeah...the poor bastards death is hurried along when he gets clobbered by a flying champagne cork.




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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/13/2011 6:26:03 AM   
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RE: Dying alone, some thoughts... - 1/13/2011 6:59:48 AM   
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Duuuuude!!!! Finally someone says it outloud. Jaybeee = JB = JonnieBoy...?   I don't know but it seems and sounds very possible.


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