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Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:33:26 PM   
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I come seeking advice: I recently hit my mid-thirties, and I'm trying to figure out if maybe this is the kind of relationship I want and need. My entire life I've been responsible for other people (including my mother), and even in work I seem stuck in that mode. Since my mid-twenties I've always become the go-to guy at work. I'm always the person who gets called in emergencies. I'm not an overly social person, but I can easily find common ground with just about anyone, and always try to. I'm well known in my particular work circles for being particularly frank.

I'm pretty successful in my career but not an A type personality. I've gotten where I've gotten simply because I enjoy doing good work and paying attention to both the details and the big picture simultaneously. I've changed a bit over the years - I don't often work more than 40 hours a week any more, but the gears in my head are always grinding. I'm great at taking care of people because I'm continuously taking care of the details. I don't forget birthdays, I will fix the squeaky cabinet without being asked because it needs it, et cetera.

When I was younger I married a woman because she was pretty and we had porn-star sex. We divorced because she was lazy and meek and after a few years of trying, I gave up. Likewise, a few years ago a very young friend of a friend showed up in my town (moved for a guy) and wound up in a bad situation. I got the call from the common friend and she spent the next several months in my guest room. We never had sex but had a great relationship - she took care of things around the house and provided witty banter while I took care of her until she got back on her feet. It was the most rewarding relationship I've been in (it didn't hurt that she was beautiful and funny) - we just didn't have that kind of chemistry and I didn't want to abuse my position.

Otherwise I've had a handful of women tell me they love me and it either wasn't mutual because the sex was really generic and boring, or they either didn't appreciate my take-charge-ness or abused the same. It seems like I've been dating around the kind of woman I want to be with, but haven't found the one who gets all the parts right.

My brother is convinced that what I need is an old-school 50's housewife. Well-read, works hard, doesn't mind being spanked, and will just let me be in charge, because I can't turn it off. It's how I'm wired. I did a google search a few weeks back and it led me to this site. I know nothing about this lifestyle, but what I read certainly intrigues me. I'm worried about finding a niche - I'm never going to be a leather guy, though I'm definitely kinky, but of course I'm mostly just looking for a monogamous, hopefully lifetime relationship with someone who will let me take care of her and is sassy and smart enough to make me keep her in line. Is there more to it in that, generally?

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:37:10 PM   
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each dynamic is different..

there are no hard and fast rules to it.  But if you are patient, looking within this "lifestyle" may be rewarding,

I wish you the best in your search.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:38:27 PM   
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The best relationship is one that feels right to you. Don't worry about what other people say a relationship should be, bdsm or otherwise. There is a huge variety of lifestyles that fit under this umbrella. Just follow your heart, be honest & communicate well and you'll find something that feels right for you.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:41:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: plasticshark

I'm mostly just looking for a monogamous, hopefully lifetime relationship with someone who will let me take care of her and is sassy and smart enough to make me keep her in line. Is there more to it in that, generally?




If that's what you're looking for, stick to your principals, you'll find her eventually. It can take time.

(If you were 20 years older..... )

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:49:00 PM   
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I feel the word lifestyle gets tossed around so much that others that are just venturing in feel
that there are certain actions or levels of dominance/submission one must attain to for it to be
considered something of substance. This site is a coming together of many different dynamics,
including the one you mentioned. Have no fear though. One doesn't have to be a leather guy, or
like bondage, or keep his woman in a cage in order to enjoy the elements that intrigue them.

This site does offer some wonderful posts regarding 1950's households, and has some very
knowledgeable and helpful posters to answer any questions you may have along your journey.
Welcome, and best wishes in your search.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:53:43 PM   
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Yeah, there's a bullshit rumor running around that Doms are dressed in black leather 24/7, have no sense of humor, and care only for themselves.

My take on a Dom is almost exactly as you described:  cares for others, wants to be in control, likes kink, and is realistic.

Go for it.  Just don't come to Colorado and steal all the sub women.


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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 7:56:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: plasticshark

I'm mostly just looking for a monogamous, hopefully lifetime relationship with someone who will let me take care of her and is sassy and smart enough to make me keep her in line. Is there more to it in that, generally?




Yeah, there are women like that around here, and some of them are actually single, shockingly.

Good luck.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:08:01 PM   
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plasticshark, you sound like a jewel.
We welcome you, and I personally agree with every syllable in poise's post.
Believe she is out there, believe in your heart that you deserve to find her, and the "her" that is meant for you will be found. Perhaps not on this site, perhaps not by this time next week, but she will be found.
Meanwhile, hang out here and make some friends. We like nice guys who are genuine, well-spoken and friendly - they are as hot a commodity here as in any other venue on Earth.
Bright blessings and the best of luck to you, Sir.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:09:13 PM   
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Thanks for the replies, all. This site is definitely interesting - I love the idea of "50s Household" but hate the actual 50s household model. You know, with the misogyny and all that. I'm from Texas, so I grew up around plenty of households with the socially-forced, under-educated obedient wives, and the idea puts me off. It's taken me a long time to wash that distaste out of my mouth, and it helps to have been around lots of other relationships where males were obviously quite submissive to type-a female friends and coworkers. I've come to realize that some people just operate best as a sidekick. Now I just need to find one that doesn't mind being treated like a sidekick who's been kidnapped by an arch-villain from time to time. ;)

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:13:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Yeah, there's a bullshit rumor running around that Doms are dressed in black leather 24/7, have no sense of humor, and care only for themselves.



well, you know, it's hard to picture a friendly guy in flannel putting someone in a spreader bar if you've never met one. :)

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:14:44 PM   
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Hubba hubba! I mean...amen!!!
to the arch-villain comment!
Come to think of it, a man in flannel is pretty hot too.

*sashays quietly off this thread, before I embarrass myself*

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:16:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: plasticshark

Thanks for the replies, all. This site is definitely interesting - I love the idea of "50s Household" but hate the actual 50s household model. You know, with the misogyny and all that. I'm from Texas, so I grew up around plenty of households with the socially-forced, under-educated obedient wives, and the idea puts me off. It's taken me a long time to wash that distaste out of my mouth, and it helps to have been around lots of other relationships where males were obviously quite submissive to type-a female friends and coworkers. I've come to realize that some people just operate best as a sidekick. Now I just need to find one that doesn't mind being treated like a sidekick who's been kidnapped by an arch-villain from time to time. ;)


*sigh*

if only you were older ;)

You have a lot going for you, hon.. like SJ said..
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Believe she is out there, believe in your heart that you deserve to find her, and the "her" that is meant for you will be found. Perhaps not on this site, perhaps not by this time next week, but she will be found.



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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:23:03 PM   
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Welcome
And being new here as well I'll add this tidbit.
While you may at times have to scroll past a post or six : )
There are some nice folk around who are happy to give heartfelt advice and great ideas.

Best of luck

Cula

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:37:16 PM   
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Well, I'm not the most learned troll under the bridge, but after reading your posts I don't think a sub is what you need. I think you need a hella lot more strength and assertiveness... I would almost point you in the direction of a Dom/Domme dynamic, however I think you would better be served if I pointed a nasty talon at a switch. That could be just me, however from what you have posted I feel that you need someone that is a much stronger sidekick than a 50's housewife type an a switch is mucho gooder in that respect.

A good girl that knows how and when to take charge, even grab you by the collar and say "Hey fucker, wake up an smell the coffee" an also fall into the role of your help mate when needs be. I understand that you feel that your life has groomed you into a Dominant role, however I would argue that it groomed you into a responsible role not dominant. This is not meant to besmirch your character at all, but to make you, perhaps, see that there is not two sides to this coin, but it is a more complicated rubicks cube and that exploring the option of bringing a switch into your life may actually lift a huge weight off your shoulders and give you the demure, wonderful, lovely girl of your dreams all in one.


Edited to add: YMMV I got  good buzz going on.


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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 8:43:48 PM   
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Actually, Troll in all his buzzy glory, (bless his heart) has a point. This is more or less what I have with my Husband, per years of love, mutual trial, error and consent. This is NOT however to say that we know so darn much about whatever it is that YOU need - not even the wisest Troll outside of your own heart can know that. Just sayin'.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/18/2011 10:16:37 PM   
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That gets into some of the more...practical?...aspects of all this. I don't know anything, so that's why I asked for advice, but certainly as a matter of convenience I'd like to be the career-person. It might be shallow, but it is what it is. I certainly don't think that in a "no woman of mine will ever work!" but rather, since I can afford to carry a household I'd rather be with someone who didn't spend all their time with me stressed about what happens when they're not around me, if that makes sense. I find craftsmanship and artistry to be a huge turn-on, so finding a writer or other artist type who wants to be free to pursue that without worrying about making rent would be ... a tangential turn-on (assuming they were decent at it), but not a necessity.

The other portion is that I'm definitely not submissive when it comes to sexual urges. I enjoy doing things, not having things done to me. Always been that way. I can spend an hour slowly building up a partner, but get zero satisfaction from having someone spending time trying to get me aroused, and it seems like most of the women I've been with get upset by that. The 'getting me aroused' part happens by all kinds of non-sexual things. I've even had some great experiences where my pants never came off. Most of the women I've been with can't seem to understand it. Is this some weird psychological hangup? Possibly. But aren't those the best kind of kinks?

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RE: Crossroads - 1/19/2011 4:18:29 AM   
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The problem I have is that you want to issue orders and have her disobey constantly so you have an excuse to spank her. How is she to know when you really want her to do it and when she should disobey? And if she's being disobedient at your orders, then isn't she really obeying you anyway? Not to mention that unless you never make a mistake, it isn't appropriate for her to not be allowed to.

You do better to find someone who will let you take charge, who is obedient, who enjoys being spanked for fun and who is also witty. And yes, we exist.


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RE: Crossroads - 1/19/2011 4:28:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: plasticshark
The other portion is that I'm definitely not submissive when it comes to sexual urges. I enjoy doing things, not having things done to me. Always been that way. I can spend an hour slowly building up a partner, but get zero satisfaction from having someone spending time trying to get me aroused, and it seems like most of the women I've been with get upset by that. The 'getting me aroused' part happens by all kinds of non-sexual things. I've even had some great experiences where my pants never came off. Most of the women I've been with can't seem to understand it. Is this some weird psychological hangup? Possibly. But aren't those the best kind of kinks?


This is an interest I've seen in some dominant men but not in others. I think I posted about one such person recently in this section, something about "30 ogasms" and a girl falling off her bike (after the 30 orgasms). ;) Not all submissives share this interest, most submissives like to serve and not being able to serve you in that fashion will be a bit disturbing and anti-intuitive at first. Expect that. Some will not be able to adjust, some of us really need a selfish dominant/master interested primarily in his own pleasure. But a submissive in love with your overall personality will often be able to change themselves, acquire your enthusiasms and interests, with time and good instruction.

Since you are new I'll offer a piece of basic advice related a little to this. Submissives do like to serve and to please. Usually this is a very good thing, because it makes for an obedient, pliable person who follows your instructions and does not resist them. However, in the "trying to meet a submissive" phase, this can sometimes be a problem. The desire to be pleasing to a dominant she is attracted to will cause a submissive, at times, to overpromise, to try to to fit herself into your box when she cannot actually do so happily. Some will be intentionally deceptive (there are a lot of flawed individuals on the internets, in case you have not noticed. ;) ); others will simply be confused. So my advice is to take it very slow and in slow stages. In cruder terms, get to know them very well on the inside before you "feel them from the inside," and crawl slowly from intimacy stage to intimacy stage. Time, if you take enough of it, will eventually show you someone's real nature. But don't just sit back and wait for that to happen. Actively and very carefully test the self-assertions that your potential partner makes, particularly in the areas where you need her compatibility in order to feel happy and satisfied. See if they are true before you decide to take her as your own, before she is living with you. With an interst like the one you profess and modern technology at your disposal, I imagine this won't exactly be hard to do. :)

Generic advice: "Ooo, baby, it's a wild world..." Don't get bitter/discouraged/angry/cynical at all the awfulness out there as you look for a good fit. Remember that all of us who are sincere face it, and the more unusual our needs, the longer we tend face it. Finding just the right fit is hard. If it seems to happen instantly for you, well, you might be incredibly lucky, but re-read the paragraph above this one just in case. ;) And if you make a mistake, admit it to yourself as soon as possible, cut your losses (if that is still an option--if you've made a very big mistake it might not be) and then, after licking your wounds a bit, re-enter the fray and try again. The most important thing, I think, is to be persistent, to never give up working to find what you need, to never decide it doesn't exist or can't exist, even if it seems as distant from you as the North Star. Instead, try to find better ways to find it. You may not ever need this sort of advice, but still, you might want to store it in the back of your mind somewhere for a rainy day. In my experience, hopeful persistence is the best attitude to cultivate when things seem darkest.

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RE: Crossroads - 1/19/2011 4:44:15 AM   
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I don't know anything...

Sure you do. You appear to be an articulate, introspective sort. You're essentially just looking for a dynamic counterpoint to the facets you've discovered are innate about you. That puts you ahead of the game compared to most.

There is perhaps an entire world of sub-structures and hierarchies that exist in WIITWD (used as a more encompassing acronym than BDSM) that you aren't familiar with, but it's somewhat analogous to the need to know how to read music in order to play like Hendrix.

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The problem I have is that you want to issue orders and have her disobey constantly so you have an excuse to spank her.

Which just means he leans towards a variation of a conflict/correction type of dynamic, which is not uncommon. If the motivation were actually to change himself in order to appeal to a wider gamut of partners, he could have just tried to change the entire motivation to even seek out an authority dynamic in the first place (compared to the idea that, now that he's here, he should change anyway).

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RE: Crossroads - 1/19/2011 5:40:09 AM   
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Someone is breaking out the Cat Stevens already! I'll try to keep up!


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The problem I have is that you want to issue orders and have her disobey constantly so you have an excuse to spank her.


You answered this already in your own post, but I'd rather not have to spank her for actual obedience reasons - and I wouldn't consider her intentionally breaking a rule in order to be spanked actual disobedience, but rather foreplay. I'm more a cultivator and curator than disciplinarian - too many years being in charge of people. I like to prune things early on before they get out of hand and require more stringent methods. It's also important enough to me in all my power relationships to build up enough of a trust and confidence in me that the deterrent is disappointing me, not in angering me. I accept that people do stupid, boneheaded things sometimes. We're human.

That said, without consequences people and relationships fall apart. I've grown exhausted of vanilla relationship dynamics. I'm strictly a "so fix it!" kind of guy. I'm really tired of being in vanilla relationships and being told "You're not the boss of me!" when I suggest a reasonable solution to a given problem. I'd like to give the alternative a try.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
You do better to find someone who will let you take charge, who is obedient, who enjoys being spanked for fun and who is also witty. And yes, we exist.



Bingo.



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