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Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 4:56:16 AM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		So I was sitting here pondering about the creation of criminals thru obamacare - just as he promised in his campaign (promise kept).  Anyway,  If someone aids criminals isn't that a criminal conspiracy?   And if it is a criminal conspiracy to give aid and comfort to law breakers, then why aren't those that support the illegal aliens not prosecuted?   Any ideas?
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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 5:22:07 AM   
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So I was sitting here pondering about the creation of criminals thru obamacare


What in God's name are you talking about?

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 5:50:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh just things   like santuary cities where criminals are allowed by conspirators to stay untouched.  Or Those that support criminalizing the lack of healthcare.  Shit like that

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 5:56:12 AM   
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So I was sitting here pondering about the creation of criminals thru obamacare


What in God's name are you talking about?


Yeppers. I was asking myself that too. The only potential answer I could come up with was that 'Obamacare' creates medifraud. Which I felt was drawing a very long bow indeed - like arguing car manufacture creates drunk drivers. So that couldn't be right could it ?

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 6:04:29 AM   
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Oh just things   like santuary cities where criminals are allowed by conspirators to stay untouched.  Or Those that support criminalizing the lack of healthcare.  Shit like that


Well, which would you like to talk about because one has no relation to the other.

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 6:34:51 AM   
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Oh just things   like santuary cities where criminals are allowed by conspirators to stay untouched.  Or Those that support criminalizing the lack of healthcare.  Shit like that

The HCR law does not criminalize lack of health care. You need to stop making shit up and you need to get over your dislike of brown people.

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 6:56:42 AM   
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Oh just things   like santuary cities where criminals are allowed by conspirators to stay untouched.  Or Those that support criminalizing the lack of healthcare.  Shit like that


Well, which would you like to talk about because one has no relation to the other.



Rule   the issue isn't either.   The issue is the people that allow this and supports this and stuff like that.   Is the creation of and support of crime.  

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 6:59:36 AM   
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Oh just things   like santuary cities where criminals are allowed by conspirators to stay untouched.  Or Those that support criminalizing the lack of healthcare.  Shit like that

The HCR law does not criminalize lack of health care. You need to stop making shit up and you need to get over your dislike of brown people.


Does it not create a penality (a fine) for violation of this law.   And does it not have an enforcement agency to make sure that you comply with this law or you will be fined?   And is it not true that if you refuse to pay for this that is a violation of the code (Income Tax since they are the enforcement agency) punishable by prision (you know   ask Al Capone)?  Is that not the basic creation of of crime?

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 8:41:16 AM   
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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 8:45:05 AM   
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Oh just things   like santuary cities where criminals are allowed by conspirators to stay untouched.  Or Those that support criminalizing the lack of healthcare.  Shit like that


Well, which would you like to talk about because one has no relation to the other.



Rule   the issue isn't either.   The issue is the people that allow this and supports this and stuff like that.   Is the creation of and support of crime.  



Since you wish to go down this road... lets consider another crime.

Its a crime to not pay for a service, as long as that service is legal... so we can leave such services as prositution out of the equation.

Would you agree with this?

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 8:51:55 AM   
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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 9:02:17 AM   
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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 9:19:26 AM   
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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 9:34:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tazzy, I have no problem with making prostitution legal.   but that requires a law change in most places.   Till then, it is still a crime.



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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 9:59:46 AM   
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Even those who aren't American citizens?


Especially those who aren't American citizens,  

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 10:11:39 AM   
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Does it not create a penality (a fine) for violation of this law.   And does it not have an enforcement agency to make sure that you comply with this law or you will be fined?   And is it not true that if you refuse to pay for this that is a violation of the code (Income Tax since they are the enforcement agency) punishable by prision (you know   ask Al Capone)?  Is that not the basic creation of of crime?



Beats hell out of me.  I know that the GOP is stating that it will force people to get killed off, and get jailed for not having health care.  And I know that Dems are claiming t will fix the national debt.

I'm too lazy to read the damn thing (which I share with probably every single Senator and House member) so I have no clue what it DOES.  I suspect that you haven't read it either and are going by third hand reports from those who are biased.




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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 10:44:54 AM   
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I don't know that "creating criminals" is how I would approach the individual mandate. I'd call it a drastic overreach of Federal authority into the lives of the People. I believe the preferred slur on people of such opinion is "Constitution fetishist."

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 10:51:15 AM   
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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 10:59:39 AM   
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Tazzy, I have no problem with making prostitution legal.   but that requires a law change in most places.   Till then, it is still a crime.





I said prostitution is exempted from this discussion.

What I am talking about is the stolen services from hospitals and physicians across the country. No ER that takes federal money is spared. People walk in, take the service, dont pay, and walk away without a worry.

And this is ok with you?

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RE: Creating Criminals - 1/23/2011 11:38:19 AM   
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That's the catch they all ignore.  The fed is already paying for these peoples health care by giving the hospitals money.

The hospitals take those bills and file for grants, you know how that drill works.

Isn't shifting that money to actual health care instead of emergency care a better value?

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