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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/30/2011 8:22:36 PM   
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Do the minutemen patrolling the border dress in civies or camo?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/30/2011 8:39:22 PM   
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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/30/2011 10:38:53 PM   
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I am going to ask a serious question.

Do the minutemen patrolling the border dress in civies or camo?



Why,.....they wear tuxedos at night of course some with top hats if they're,....."one percenters."
During the day they wear L.L. Bean cargo shorts with "Izod" golf shirts and either "Puma" sneakers, "Dockers" "Wolverine" hiking boots or Jodphur boots. You'd be hard pressed to see any yachting footwear out in the dessert.
The ladies wear an assortment of very expensive shorts with golfers shirts, some wear bikinis to work on their tans and at night one can see a nice assortment of fur coats liberated from the furriers' freezer for special events to ward off the dessert chill.
The ladies often can be seen with parasols and fashionable and very colorfull umbrellas during the day! And accessories,.....you wouldn't believe the accesories! And you're sure to see the words "Rodeo Drive" four or five times a day.
Many of the ladies have customized pearl handled revolvers as do many of the homosexual contingent of males, ever the fashion plates!
And lots of very expensive thouroughbred horses and trailors, why not take "Skipper" or "Jake" for a nice run as long as they're out in the dessert!
And the food! "Guido.....Caterer to the Stars" no less! Steamboat rounds of angus beef carved to order for dinner, eggs benedict for breakfast! A giant buffet for lunch.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/30/2011 11:26:21 PM   
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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 12:18:25 AM   
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Do the minutemen patrolling the border dress in civies or camo?
As luckydawg said (I understand if you missed it), "Minutemen" is a catch all for many different groups, each with its own independent rules and leadership. You can't really say, "The Minutemen did XXX" any more than you can say, "The Environmentalists did XXX".

'Environmentalists' encompasses a complete range of groups, from those who start grassroots movements to save delicate wetlands or lobby to save old growth forests all the way to those who spike trees, ram ships at sea, or kill people that they see as a threat to their cause.

'Minutemen' encompasses a complete range of groups, from those who ride the border and report what they see or record activities on video all the way to those who go whole hog and try to stop illegals from crossing the border by force.

Pick a cause, and you will find everything from the helpful, sane folks to the fringe folks that should scare everyone with their actions.



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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 12:33:22 AM   
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The question was asked because a Neo Nazi group has been patrolling the border in Camouflage clothes, body armor etc. which have raised concerns among the Border Patrol officers and local law enforcement agencies.



If you have a source about this, please show it. If it is as you describe, it is horrible and should be stopped, with lethal force if convienent. You do tend exagerate though...

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 3:14:22 AM   
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The OP is about a group of minutemen linking up with drug dealers,



We certainly have media articles putting that filter on it, but I'm not so sure. Wouldn't it make more sense to assume a druggie got caught up in a movement, rather than the other way around?

Of course, that doesn't offer an opportunity for more filthy smears now does it?


She was the EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR of the group.

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http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/murder-in-the-desert/Content?oid=1739974 On June 12, authorities also arrested Shawna Forde, executive director of a border-vigilante outfit called Minuteman American Defense. Prosecutors say Forde was carrying jewelry belonging to Gina Flores at the time of her arrest.


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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 4:42:46 AM   
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And you are basing this on your extensive knowledge of the American drug culture, right, Polite?

Or did you just see an episode of Inspector Morse set in the States?


Better based on my knowledge than yours eh ?  Another stupid post from you to try and avoid the actual OP.

Thats unless you are suggesting drug use runs on party lines.


Actually I think it was tweeky that suggested drug use runs on party lines...

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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I do, Pyro. Speed is the drug of fascist thugs, but coke and weed are all about the social justice crowd.


Laughable, incorrect and did I say laughable.


I can never make my mind up as to who are the biggest drug dealers around here .... the police or pub owners. Mind you, most of the time, the police have the best quality grass .... whereas the pub owners only have alcohol.

But hey, what's the difference? They all vote conservative.



Edited to add exotic herbs




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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:15:35 AM   
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'Minutemen' encompasses a complete range of groups, from those who ride the border and report what they see or record activities on video all the way to those who go whole hog and try to stop illegals from crossing the border by force.

On that level, "minutemen" is nearly as unfortunate a choice of name as "teabaggers": small wonder some of them are going around shooting children through the head if they all suffer from premature ejaculation...

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:21:44 AM   
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The "FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" doesn't *tell U.S. Citizens what they can or cannot do!" They can "denounce" whatever they want but it doesn't add up to a bucket of warm piss!

Who do you think enforces your legal system?
There's all sorts of things the feds have told you can't do, I'm afraid, and you're not doing any of them, or at least trying to keep it quiet if you are.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:25:02 AM   
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Actually I think it was tweeky that suggested drug use runs on party lines...


And then she wonders why I think she's a bigot.



Wrong ... as usual .... as always. So wrong. Utterly completely publicly embarrassingly flagrantly W - R - O - N - G.


Below is the first suggestion. Made by The Heretic at post # 3

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What a nice curiousity piece for a Saturday morning, Ken. Thanks for sharing. Murders in the drug trade are usually a left-wing phenomenon.

Fucking LA Times.


Then backed up by Popeye1250 in Post # 10. My post was # 36.

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Pyro, now now, Heretic has a point! If you look at the lion's share of the "Street Pharmacists" in the hood you won't find many who voted "Republican" but you'll find plenty who voted for Obama.
John McCain lost all the inner city electoral votes. The Dems said Obama took those areas by a "landslide."
Fair is fair.

Now we all shall see if you are capable of doing the right thing for once won't we?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:59:42 AM   
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If you have a source about this, please show it. If it is as you describe, it is horrible and should be stopped, with lethal force if convienent. You do tend exagerate though...



quote:

Armed civilian border patrols raise concerns in Arizona

PHOENIX — Minutemen groups, a surge in Border Patrol agents and a tough new immigration law aren't enough for a reputed neo-Nazi leading a militia in the Arizona desert.

But local law enforcement officials are nervous given that Ready's group is heavily armed and identifies with the National Socialist Movement, an organization that believes only non-Jewish, white heterosexuals should be American citizens and that everyone who isn't white should leave the country "peacefully or by force."

source



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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 6:43:59 AM   
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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 7:02:19 AM   
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Murders in the drug trade are usually a left-wing phenomenon.


???but I thought most of the killings in the drug trade were to preserve unregulated capitalism???lol



Pyro, now now, Heretic has a point! If you look at the lion's share of the "Street Pharmacists" in the hood you won't find many who voted "Republican" but you'll find plenty who voted for Obama.
John McCain lost all the inner city electoral votes. The Dems said Obama took those areas by a "landslide."
Fair is fair.


Doubt you have been in the "hood" pops. Speak of what you know...which isn't much

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 9:48:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		DYB, you doubt that eh? Silly me, only black people are ....."allowed" into the "hood" right? Ever been to Atlana, Ga or Charlotte, N.C.?
While we're on stereotypes how about a few weeks ago when the congresswoman was shot and one of the shooters friends described him as a* "pot smoking leftist?"*
That got buried pretty quick didn't it? For whatever reason the media decided to give it, "a good leaving alone!"
I wonder if he owned... "camos?"

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 10:10:26 AM   
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JLF, WHO FUCKING SAID THEY DID? I don't know who's worse, you or the ignorant Brits in here!
You just made that shit up! It makes no sense whatsoever!
The "FEDERAL GOVERNMENT" doesn't *tell U.S. Citizens what they can or cannot do!" They can "denounce" whatever they want but it doesn't add up to a bucket of warm piss!
The Minutemen are not enforcing the laws there, they *ARE* reporting any illegal alien activity to the *BORDER PATROL* who *ARE* Law Enforcement and are very thankfull for their help! Just like if *YOU* saw someone breaking into your neighbors' house and called the local police!
Where is the "VIGILANTISM" there in assisting law enforcement?
Are you on a little "toot" for yourself? Into the cooking sherry?



Popeye, I was in law enforcement for ten fucking years. While we welcome neighborhood watch, we do not, did not welcome armed civilian patrols. There is no way to equate armed patrols with that.




There you go again! It's not up to law enforcement to *"welcome"* anything! THE PEOPLE have the *RIGHT* to carry firearms in the United States of America! The People have the right of Lawfull Assembly!
Did you also not "welcome" U.S. Citizens excercising their first amendment rights?
Cops who try that stuff are setting themselves up for stings and lawsuits and there's no shortage of lawyers bristling for a suit like that!
Law Enforcement is supossed to be *protecting* people's rights not *abridging* them!
Last I heard 12 inches on this side of the border is still in the United States of America and U.S. Citizens can carry firearms there.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 10:45:52 AM   
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While we're on stereotypes how about a few weeks ago when the congresswoman was shot and one of the shooters friends described him as a* "pot smoking leftist?"*
That got buried pretty quick didn't it? For whatever reason the media decided to give it, "a good leaving alone!"

Mostly because it emerged that he was about as "leftist" as Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin's hypothetical mutant offspring, and the friend who said that was farting through his teeth.
But don't let the facts stand in your way any more than they usually do.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 10:49:34 AM   
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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 10:52:09 AM   
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There you go again! It's not up to law enforcement to *"welcome"* anything! THE PEOPLE have the *RIGHT* to carry firearms in the United States of America!

So they didn't lock up any black guys in berets (and a lot of the sort of paramilitary drag the premature ejaculators are big on, come to that) for open carry around the turn of the '70s, then?
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The People have the right of Lawfull Assembly!
They don't, the last time I checked, have any right to shoot a child through the head because they don't like their parents. Still, maybe some liberal will blow off Palin's electioneering mongoloid's noodle, and you'll be fine with that?
Did you also not "welcome" U.S. Citizens excercising their first amendment rights?
Cops who try that stuff are setting themselves up for stings and lawsuits and there's no shortage of lawyers bristling for a suit like that!
Law Enforcement is supossed to be *protecting* people's rights not *abridging* them!
Last I heard 12 inches on this side of the border is still in the United States of America and U.S. Citizens can carry firearms there.

Last time I checked, they didn't have the right to shoot a child through the head because they don't like the kid's parents. If you have no problem with that, I take it you'll be calling it a constitutionally defended act when some angry liberal blows off Palin's electioneering mongoloid's head?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 11:08:29 AM   
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If you have a source about this, please show it. If it is as you describe, it is horrible and should be stopped, with lethal force if convienent. You do tend exagerate though...



quote:

Armed civilian border patrols raise concerns in Arizona

PHOENIX — Minutemen groups, a surge in Border Patrol agents and a tough new immigration law aren't enough for a reputed neo-Nazi leading a militia in the Arizona desert.

But local law enforcement officials are nervous given that Ready's group is heavily armed and identifies with the National Socialist Movement, an organization that believes only non-Jewish, white heterosexuals should be American citizens and that everyone who isn't white should leave the country "peacefully or by force."

source




exactly as I thought. Turns out that according to your link there are National Socialists patrolling the border. They are distinct from the minutemen, and not the same group, as you were pretending. I am in favor of accidentally shooting National Socialists when ever possible.

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