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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 11:16:42 AM

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How was I wrong? I posted your words. If you don't want people to remember the crap you post, then stop posting it.

Boi, I've had most of the Brits on "ignore" for a while now.
If you were British would you want to debate the inner workings of "Parliment" with me?
They can't understand the concept of "citizen." You know, being "subjects" and all. Any "priveledges" they have have to be "granted" to them by,....."the crown." Something very "foreign" to us.
When it comes to U.S. politics they're only working on 30% or so and you'll waste too much time trying to "explain" things to them and it sloooows things down in here. They mean well I'm sure but they seem to have a difficult time grasping concepts and freedom. The one possable exception was "Lady E" who was pretty interesting. Anyone seen her lately?
But, as an American I'm probably only working on about 20% when it comes to British politics but I'm really not that interested.
Monty Python hit the nail on the head; "The Ministry of Silly Walks."
Maybe CM should start a seperate section, "British Politics", I might peek in once in a while but I don't think I'd comment out of ignorance.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 11:21:25 AM

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Maybe CM should start a seperate section, "British Politics", I might peek in once in a while but I don't think I'd comment out of ignorance.

It doesn't stop you talking about American politics, which you also appear to know fuck all about.
Still, how was all of that drivel about "subjects" and "priveledges" not an argument about British politics, pray tell?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 11:33:32 AM

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Actually I think it was tweeky that suggested drug use runs on party lines...

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I do, Pyro. Speed is the drug of fascist thugs, but coke and weed are all about the social justice crowd.

And then she wonders why I think she's a bigot.

Richies post is quite clear, unless you feel he meant Republicans by the words "Social justice crowd"

Since you posted right after I said it was laughable, why didnt you mention this then ? I am guessing you wanted to have a dig at Tweaks and myself and jumped on the bandwagon.

Edited to fix quotes.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 11:48:30 AM

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The OP is about a group of minutemen linking up with drug dealers,

We certainly have media articles putting that filter on it, but I'm not so sure. Wouldn't it make more sense to assume a druggie got caught up in a movement, rather than the other way around?

Of course, that doesn't offer an opportunity for more filthy smears now does it?

No smears Rich. The woman mentioned in the OP was the leader of a minuteman group. I am sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable but it is true. I say this as when I read the OP I also tried doing some research and found several mian stream news items about her. All of them saying her and her group were minutemen.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 11:55:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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How was I wrong? I posted your words. If you don't want people to remember the crap you post, then stop posting it.

Boi, I've had most of the Brits on "ignore" for a while now.
If you were British would you want to debate the inner workings of "Parliment" with me?
They can't understand the concept of "citizen." You know, being "subjects" and all. Any "priveledges" they have have to be "granted" to them by,....."the crown." Something very "foreign" to us.
When it comes to U.S. politics they're only working on 30% or so and you'll waste too much time trying to "explain" things to them and it sloooows things down in here. They mean well I'm sure but they seem to have a difficult time grasping concepts and freedom. The one possable exception was "Lady E" who was pretty interesting. Anyone seen her lately?
But, as an American I'm probably only working on about 20% when it comes to British politics but I'm really not that interested.
Monty Python hit the nail on the head; "The Ministry of Silly Walks."
Maybe CM should start a seperate section, "British Politics", I might peek in once in a while but I don't think I'd comment out of ignorance.

Pops, Tweaks is Australian as I understand it.

Then again you and boi tend to tell anyone who posts stuff you dont like "You cant post here, youre not American" I am guessing if they agreed with both you then posting would be okay.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 12:10:05 PM

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As I said above: if that cut both ways, I could tolerate that line, but when you get pa and poopey posting ridiculous bullshit about British politics, it just looks utterly pathetic, doesn't it?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 3:56:13 PM

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While we're on stereotypes how about a few weeks ago when the congresswoman was shot and one of the shooters friends described him as a* "pot smoking leftist?"*

How about you documenting that?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 4:02:56 PM

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The ignorance is outstanding.

First, there is no single Minuteman group. There are lots of little groups using that term.

They don't enforce (or attempt to enforce) the law, they call the INS when they see suspicous activities, like people sneaking accross the border. It is literally a neighborhood watch group.

and yeah, people carry guns out in the wild. Sorry that scares you so much.

It seems bizzare to me that you feel Americans should not be able to hike/recreate in the border region?

And you are actually trying to tie a single criminal act to all people who believe the border should be more secure....?
Even for you that's a crazy stretch.

Not a stretch at all, right down his strike zone.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 4:19:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

If you have a source about this, please show it. If it is as you describe, it is horrible and should be stopped, with lethal force if convienent. You do tend exagerate though...

quote:

Armed civilian border patrols raise concerns in Arizona

PHOENIX — Minutemen groups, a surge in Border Patrol agents and a tough new immigration law aren't enough for a reputed neo-Nazi leading a militia in the Arizona desert.

But local law enforcement officials are nervous given that Ready's group is heavily armed and identifies with the National Socialist Movement, an organization that believes only non-Jewish, white heterosexuals should be American citizens and that everyone who isn't white should leave the country "peacefully or by force."

source

exactly as I thought. Turns out that according to your link there are National Socialists patrolling the border. They are distinct from the minutemen, and not the same group, as you were pretending. I am in favor of accidentally shooting National Socialists when ever possible.

You asked him for a source, he gave you the source.

Now you want to pretend that minutemen has not become a generic term for any civilians patrolling the border.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:14:00 PM

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So this woman who shot the 9 year old little girl was a druggie and there fore left wing, not right wing, or a minute women, but someone controlled by bad bad scary murdering lefty drug addicts?
All criminals are dems, all drug addicts are dems, ....all murderers are dems...or have been controlled by dems?
I want to live on your bloody planet, where truth, compassion and honesty mean fuck all..how lovely to go thru life ignoring facts. The dead girl is immaterial as long as you can blame all democrats. Or at least its ok, cos she was possibly illegal.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:54:23 PM

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How was I wrong? I posted your words. If you don't want people to remember the crap you post, then stop posting it.

Boi, I've had most of the Brits on "ignore" for a while now.
If you were British would you want to debate the inner workings of "Parliment" with me?

Popeye, while I'm certain your remarks are well-intentioned, they miss the point in this instance.

If you read my original post (post #36), it began : "I can never make my mind up as to who are the biggest drug dealers around here". I am Australian, as can be clearly seen in the location under my avatar, so "around here" clearly refers to Australia.

The remarks that boi found so challenging were a comment on the Australian situation. So it wasn't a case of a foreigner commenting on an American issue at all in this instance. The other way around in fact.

So, in this instance, boi began with a misunderstanding (to put as generous a reading on it as I can), compounded it with unjustifiable abuse and topped it off by entering a state of denial that would embarrass a 7 year old boy. Sad isn't it?

I am relieved that someone is taking an interest in boi's welfare. It has been a cause of concern to me since first encountering boi and the sorry list of personal issues boi insists on parading in public at every possible opportunity. I interpret them as pleas for attention and help. Can I suggest that you focus your efforts on steering boi towards rectifying the sub-adolescent comprehension skills boi has demonstrated in this instance. That would be a start.

Given the rather petulant state of denial boi is exhibiting, might I add that you consider urging a more intensive intervention to address the anger management, appalling inter-personal skills, self hatred and other issues that obviously blight what has the potential to be, in more favourable circumstances, a happy and productive life?

For myself, as an object of boi's irrational hate and anger, I feel it best to take your suggestion and put the poor soul on "HIDE". That will be one concrete step I can take to assist boi in facing up to his real issues.

I wish I could offer a greater contribution towards boi's rehabilitation but time, distance and fear of inducing a relapse all seem to militate against it. If there is any other way I can help, please don't hesitate to call on me.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 5:57:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

How was I wrong? I posted your words. If you don't want people to remember the crap you post, then stop posting it.

Boi, I've had most of the Brits on "ignore" for a while now.
If you were British would you want to debate the inner workings of "Parliment" with me?

Popeye, while I'm certain your remarks are well-intentioned, they miss the point in this instance.

If you read my original post (post #36), it began : "I can never make my mind up as to who are the biggest drug dealers around here". I am Australian, as can be clearly seen in the location under my avatar, so "around here" clearly refers to Australia.

The remarks that boi found so challenging were a comment on the Australian situation. So it wasn't a case of a foreigner commenting on an American issue at all in this instance. The other way around in fact.

So, in this instance, boi began with a misunderstanding (to put as generous a reading on it as I can), compounded it with unjustifiable abuse and topped it off by entering a state of denial that would embarrass a 7 year old boy. Sad isn't it?

I am relieved that someone is taking an interest in boi's welfare. It has been a cause of concern to me since first encountering boi and the sorry list of personal issues boi insists on parading in public at every possible opportunity. I interpret them as pleas for attention and help. Can I suggest that you focus your efforts on steering boi towards rectifying the sub-adolescent comprehension skills boi has demonstrated in this instance. That would be a start.

Given the rather petulant state of denial boi is exhibiting, might I add that you consider urging a more intensive intervention to address the anger management, appalling inter-personal skills, self hatred and other issues that obviously blight what has the potential to be, in more favourable circumstances, a happy and productive life?

For myself, as an object of boi's irrational hate and anger, I feel it best to take your suggestion and put the poor soul on "HIDE". That will be one concrete step I can take to assist boi in facing up to his real issues.

I wish I could offer a greater contribution towards boi's rehabilitation but time, distance and fear of inducing a relapse all seem to militate against it. If there is any other way I can help, please don't hesitate to call on me.

Edited with a quiet sense of optimism

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 6:01:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

How was I wrong? I posted your words. If you don't want people to remember the crap you post, then stop posting it.

Boi, I've had most of the Brits on "ignore" for a while now.
If you were British would you want to debate the inner workings of "Parliment" with me?

Popeye, while I'm certain your remarks are well-intentioned, they miss the point in this instance.

If you read my original post (post #36), it began : "I can never make my mind up as to who are the biggest drug dealers around here". I am Australian, as can be clearly seen in the location under my avatar, so "around here" clearly refers to Australia.

The remarks that boi found so challenging were a comment on the Australian situation. So it wasn't a case of a foreigner commenting on an American issue at all in this instance. The other way around in fact.

So, in this instance, boi began with a misunderstanding (to put as generous a reading on it as I can), compounded it with unjustifiable abuse and topped it off by entering a state of denial that would embarrass a 7 year old boy. Sad isn't it?

I am relieved that someone is taking an interest in boi's welfare. It has been a cause of concern to me since first encountering boi and the sorry list of personal issues boi insists on parading in public at every possible opportunity. I interpret them as pleas for attention and help. Can I suggest that you focus your efforts on steering boi towards rectifying the sub-adolescent comprehension skills boi has demonstrated in this instance. That would be a start.

Given the rather petulant state of denial boi is exhibiting, might I add that you consider urging a more intensive intervention to address the anger management, appalling inter-personal skills, self hatred and other issues that obviously blight what has the potential to be, in more favourable circumstances, a happy and productive life?

For myself, as an object of boi's irrational hate and anger, I feel it best to take your suggestion and put the poor soul on "HIDE". That will be one concrete step I can take to assist boi in facing up to his real issues.

I wish I could offer a greater contribution towards boi's rehabilitation but time, distance and fear of inducing a relapse all seem to militate against it. If there is any other way I can help, please don't hesitate to call on me.

Edited with a quiet sense of optimism

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 6:04:24 PM

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I didnt disagree with him, I just called him a liar...but its no loss, he doesnt have a freakin clue either:)

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 6:28:28 PM

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While we're on stereotypes how about a few weeks ago when the congresswoman was shot and one of the shooters friends described him as a* "pot smoking leftist?"*

How about you documenting that?

Well, his name, plus "pot smoking leftist" generated 112,000 Google hits, RML. Add "New York Times," and it gets you to this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?pagewanted=3

Do note the part where it mentions how "His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush"

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 1/31/2011 10:07:20 PM

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TB, no worries.
It's just that in trying to discuss American politics/ law with foreigners they miss so many little things that start adding up and simply are not aware of many things that it bogs down the conversation in explanation. "Citizen" vs Subject seems to be a real sticking point for some reason even with such a huge differance between the two.
They (Brits) can't seem to grasp the concept that self defence is a right. I think you can be arrested in England for defending yourself!
We in the U.S. believe that God gave us our rights. I guess in many parts of Europe they believe that "other men" allow them to do things.
And we see the ergo proptor hoc arguments, "a drugpusher with a connection to the Minutemen shot a nine year old girl so ,...ergo....all Minutemen are murderers!"
That would be like me saying that many people in London have bad teeth so, all people in London have bad teeth.

Heretic, thanks for the link. I'm sure Rulemylife will be gnashing his teeth over that! He seems to need links for things that're common knowledge for everyone else. Too much MTV?

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 2/1/2011 12:00:31 AM

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If you have a source about this, please show it. If it is as you describe, it is horrible and should be stopped, with lethal force if convienent. You do tend exagerate though...

quote:

Armed civilian border patrols raise concerns in Arizona

PHOENIX — Minutemen groups, a surge in Border Patrol agents and a tough new immigration law aren't enough for a reputed neo-Nazi leading a militia in the Arizona desert.

But local law enforcement officials are nervous given that Ready's group is heavily armed and identifies with the National Socialist Movement, an organization that believes only non-Jewish, white heterosexuals should be American citizens and that everyone who isn't white should leave the country "peacefully or by force."

source

exactly as I thought. Turns out that according to your link there are National Socialists patrolling the border. They are distinct from the minutemen, and not the same group, as you were pretending. I am in favor of accidentally shooting National Socialists when ever possible.

You asked him for a source, he gave you the source.

Now you want to pretend that minutemen has not become a generic term for any civilians patrolling the border.

Nope, not pretending anything. The article that Jilf posted differentiates the Nazis form the Minutemen. Sorry if that confuses you. We all know you are kind of stupid, and rely on Domminas like lucy and mnot to come save your ass from your posts. It seems to be your kink.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 2/1/2011 3:55:12 AM

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Boi, I've had most of the Brits on "ignore" for a while now.

That's interesting. I don't have anyone on ignore. But if I did decide to go that route, I would probably base it more on the crap they post, than the country they are posting it from. For now, I find it easier to just skim over some posts.

If you were British would you want to debate the inner workings of "Parliment" with me?

I suppose if you stopped posting like a bigot I might consider it. But as it stands, no.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 2/1/2011 3:58:51 AM

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I didn't mention it because I don't see Rich constantly trying to paint the left as being totally evil and the right as being the only hope of our future. I replied to you, because it seems you are very quick to see the bigots on the right, but tend to ignore the others. As to Tweaks, she said what she said. Now she is trying to spin it.

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RE: Another case of not right wing violence - 2/1/2011 4:01:43 AM

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Then again you and boi tend to tell anyone who posts stuff you dont like "You cant post here, youre not American" I am guessing if they agreed with both you then posting would be okay.

I don't remember telling someone they couldn't post if they were not americans. I have in the past wondered why some, like brain, are so fixated on us, that they never start posts about their own country. But I have never felt they didn't have a right to say what every they wanted to. In fact I have slammed people for telling brain he couldn't talk about us. Maybe you have me confused with another poster.

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