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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 12:33:25 PM

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 12:48:40 PM

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Straight up, I think you dudes have convinced me that using "pussy" was counterproductive and I'm happy to change it to "wimp" instead.

No, no, that doesn't help your trolling to be any more subtle. Have another go.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 12:54:08 PM

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It's a basic logic thing, and he had a valid point.

Heh . . .

Well, that was odd. Bit of deja vu.

Hon, it really isn't worth the bother. TD knows what my point was, because I've explained it to him three times. He's just being obtuse. His rhetorical device is the 'tantamount' trick . . . as used in pisspoor essays I've seen so many times. This goes, 'Accusing someone of A automatically implies accusing him of B and C, too!". In this case, he's adapted it to Godwin's Law. That is, he's trying - by saying it, over and again - to make out that I've accused him of something the equivalent of a homophobic goose-stepping Nazi loon. I long ago ran out of different ways of saying, 'the attitude, and the end result, are not the same thing, and you can dislike the attitude entirely separately from the result'. There would be no point in saying that again, anyway, because he would simply choose not to see it.

TD: You came here to stir things up, but you just overdid it, that's all. Take it easy.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 12:57:45 PM

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Nietzsche said that "All great things must announce themselves in terrible and monstrous masks in order to inscribe themselves on the hearts of humanity." Well The Dude ain't got any terrifying or monstrous masks (some say my face is pretty scary) but sometimes I do play a dick on the internet in order to make a point. And that point is "Subbie dudes--grow a pair!"

a) Why should "subbie dudes" bother, given that you're clearly not someone they're trying to impress? And also given that many of them aren't like you describe them?

b) Placing yourself in even the same paragraph as Nietzsche is really doing him down. Harsh.

c) Anyone referring to themselves as "The Dude" has better be fucking smart, and way cool, or risk looking a complete cock. Based on the evidence thus far, you haven't got the chops.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 12:58:52 PM

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Anytime you generalize an entire subset of people you are being a bigot. You did it, op, so own it.

Beyond that, if you want to appeal to women it does not help to say that the worst thing a man can be is womanly in any way.

Furthermore, you're 35 fucking years old. Quit smoking dope and grow the fuck up. My 17 year old is smarter than you.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:19:58 PM

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Nietzsche said that "All great things must announce themselves in terrible and monstrous masks in order to inscribe themselves on the hearts of humanity." Well The Dude ain't got any terrifying or monstrous masks (some say my face is pretty scary) but sometimes I do play a dick on the internet in order to make a point. And that point is "Subbie dudes--grow a pair!"

No. You didn't big yourself up by slating all other sub-males, compare yourself to Nietzsche, and refer to yourself in the third person, all in one paragraph. You did *not* do that.

Everyone - please tell me he didn't do that.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:22:14 PM

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No. You didn't big yourself up by slating all other sub-males, compare yourself to Nietzsche, and refer to yourself in the third person, all in one paragraph. You did *not* do that.

In retrospect, that may have been a bit audacious. Sometimes The Dude just gets so exuberant. But sins committed from an excess of love or pride or exuberance can always be forgiven.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:29:48 PM

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But sins committed from an excess of love or pride or exuberance can always be forgiven.

Instead of The Dude, have you considered Captain Trite as a self-referential handle?

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:33:41 PM

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Instead of The Dude, have you considered Captain Trite as a self-referential handle?

lol

That doesn't have much of a ring to it. I prefer The Dude. Major Dude if you wanna go all pseudomilitary.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:34:35 PM

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Major Blowhard?

Gets my vote.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:35:51 PM

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Split the diff and say Major Dude. But this whole deal is derailing the thread! Let's stay on topic.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:44:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

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ORIGINAL: TotallyDude

Nietzsche said that "All great things must announce themselves in terrible and monstrous masks in order to inscribe themselves on the hearts of humanity." Well The Dude ain't got any terrifying or monstrous masks (some say my face is pretty scary) but sometimes I do play a dick on the internet in order to make a point. And that point is "Subbie dudes--grow a pair!"

a) Why should "subbie dudes" bother, given that you're clearly not someone they're trying to impress? And also given that many of them aren't like you describe them?

b) Placing yourself in even the same paragraph as Nietzsche is really doing him down. Harsh.

c) Anyone referring to themselves as "The Dude" has better be fucking smart, and way cool, or risk looking a complete cock. Based on the evidence thus far, you haven't got the chops.

The Dude is a "Big Lebowski" reference, except that's a great, funny, and thoughtful movie and the OP's just vapid. He's not only dragging down Nietzsche, but also the Coen Brothers.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:45:23 PM

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Split the diff and say Major Dude.

Thanks, but you'll always be Major Blowhard to me.

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But this whole deal is derailing the thread! Let's stay on topic.

The subject of your trite, idiotic, self-aggrandising responses is entirely on-topic, given that you've set yourself up as some sort of authority on a subject you self-evidently know 3/5ths of fuck-all about.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:48:47 PM

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The subject of your trite, idiotic, self-aggrandising responses is entirely on-topic, given that you've set yourself up as some sort of authority on a subject you self-evidently know 3/5ths of fuck-all about.

You Brits do have a way with words. :D

An eloquent insult is sweeter far than a clumsy compliment, old top. I like you. I'm gonna keep my eye on you too.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 1:58:39 PM

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The Dude is a "Big Lebowski" reference, except that's a great, funny, and thoughtful movie and the OP's just vapid. He's not only dragging down Nietzsche, but also the Coen Brothers.

That's grounds for death by stoning where I come from.

I didn't even pick up on it either (despite owning a copy of, and liking very much, TBL), so great was the gulf between the imagery and the actuality ...

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 2:02:38 PM

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The Dude is a "Big Lebowski" reference, except that's a great, funny, and thoughtful movie and the OP's just vapid. He's not only dragging down Nietzsche, but also the Coen Brothers.

In fairness, the brothers Coen have been dragging themselves down lately. Despite some admirable acting performances I thought True Grit fell a bit flat. What might be interesting is if next time around the Coen Bros did a Wes Anderson script and vice versa. Might bring them all out of their funks and also confuse Bill Murray.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 2:11:07 PM

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Speaking of actually being on the topic........

If you don't mind Me asking again, where are you getting the stereotype from OP? Let's already agree that the stereotype is prevalent in porn. I'll also give you that some (not all or most) folks come onto CM with a preconceived idea that is how a male submissive is 'supposed to' act. How often are you seeing this in real life? I know earlier you don't stand by the same statement in F/m dynamics where someone is owned, so I'm really trying to determine where you are *seeing* it.

Remember, I'm the one who doesn't like you using the word from the title. Thank you.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 2:13:31 PM

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Speaking of actually being on the topic........

If you don't mind Me asking again, where are you getting the stereotype from OP? Let's already agree that the stereotype is prevalent in porn. I'll also give you that some (not all or most) folks come onto CM with a preconceived idea that is how a male submissive is 'supposed to' act. How often are you seeing this in real life? I know earlier you don't stand by the same statement in F/m dynamics where someone is owned, so I'm really trying to determine where you are *seeing* it.

Too much cheese before bedtime?

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 2:15:10 PM

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Too much cheese before bedtime?

You lost Me there so badly that I don't even know what you mean. LOL.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/31/2011 2:19:45 PM

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If you don't mind Me asking again, where are you getting the stereotype from OP? Let's already agree that the stereotype is prevalent in porn. I'll also give you that some (not all or most) folks come onto CM with a preconceived idea that is how a male submissive is 'supposed to' act. How often are you seeing this in real life? I know earlier you don't stand by the same statement in F/m dynamics where someone is owned, so I'm really trying to determine where you are *seeing* it.

I guess what put the bee in my bonnet is having attended an event a couple of weeks ago, at which the subbie dudes mostly stood around sullenly and complained into their drinks about how either nobody was talking to them or how there was nobody worth talking to (an outright lie, I have high standards and there were a number of women who were very intriguing). It wouldn't have been such an issue, but when the woman I attended with left to mingle and I had to do the same, I kept finding myself in the company of dudes behaving like self-loathing schmucks who were too afraid to put anything on the line. When any of them did approach a woman they behaved slavishly, simpering like cartoon characters approaching a scary cartoon king. It's behavior I've seen at several other private events and also the last time I was at a club and it just made me feel like there is an epidemic of wimpish, self-defeating behaviour amongst the subbie dudes.

Online I've also noticed this behavior but I just assume all personality flaws are magnified and exacerbated online. It was really seeing the behavior in public that made me think "Wow. There are a lot of sub dudes out there (a majority in my recent experience) who act like scared little boys in search of mommies."

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