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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:22:54 PM   
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I think there is a difference between folks who have never been submissive in a relationship going to a munch for a first time who make that mistake, rather than a blanket description for the general population of submissive men.  Something that lasts for a few hours, rather than a lifetime.


Yes, there is a difference. But what must be understood here is that we, upon reading the OP's initial thoughts, do not know which group he is referring to. I learned long....LONG ago, that you can't really just assume everyone communicates perfectly. When I read the OP, I knew a couple of things right off the bat. 1) He wasn't talking about every single submissive male who walked the planet and B) He has evidently met enough submissive men to form such an opinion of them while meeting almost none of the type you are in a relationship with.

It baffles me that these two facts were not immediately evident to everyone else. It also baffles me how many people jumped his shit without attempting to get him to clarify (you were one of the few who did not, though you still jumped his shit to a degree, despite the clarification).

I've always been the type of man who says what I say, without really caring how someone else might read things into it. Those who are confused by something I say are free to ask for clarification. I'm a sucker for conversation and will happily clarify anything that is confusing. However, those who attempt to jump my shit based on an assumption place themselves into a group whose thoughts and feelings I could not care less about. I have neither time nor inclination to explain my thoughts to someone who would rather react to a perceived insult than to discuss what was actually said.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:28:35 PM   
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(Fast replyz) Because most of them spent their lives wanting to be submissive to certain people, so it's entrenched in their subconscious social interaction, I'd say is part of it.

The other is that most vigorously masturbate to the idea of being a simpering, wet, sloppy, cowardly vagina... so they take the opportunity online to act like one.

After both looking at an ex's messages for her and maintaining a couple's profile in the past, sub men were... rather annoying. Granted, there were an almost equal amount of doms who were moronic.

Basically, females are the fairer sex and men on either side are typically rather douchey.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:30:04 PM   
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"...It baffles me that these two facts were not immediately evident to everyone else. It also baffles me how many people jumped his shit without attempting to get him to clarify (you were one of the few who did not, though you still jumped his shit to a degree, despite the clarification)...."



Allow me to clarify..Not everyone jumped on the OP. I will remind you that my first post, I stated that I had a snarky comment but I refrained from posting it.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:32:30 PM   
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Allow me to clarify..Not everyone jumped on the OP. I will remind you that my first post, I stated that I had a snarky comment but I refrained from posting it.


Again, going back to the subject of security. If you aren't in that group, and you know you aren't, there really isn't a need to wave the flag stating such. I wasn't going to list every single person who didn't jump on the OP, but as I was only talking to one person at the time, I mentioned that person.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:35:30 PM   
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Oh, so if something wouldn't bother you, it shouldn't bother anyone else, because it's all about you.
Apparently, I missed a memo.


Right on cue. Thank you for being as predictable as most women I've run into.



Well, now we have figured out your main issue. You are fine with making sweeping generalizations based on women and you are defending another dude for making sweeping generalizatons about submissive men.

And you asked the dumbest question anyone could ever ask on the forum (which kudos to you, is pretty fucking stupid) and that is why would anyone defend someone that is not their particular demographic.

Peon answered you but apparently your blown out ego or happiness reading your words scrolling on a page prevents you from getting this salient point:

People who are EMPATHETIC to others often feel compelled to come to the defense of those who are being discussed, even if is not about them.

I am a submissive woman who is Jewish and a redhead. I have friends who are gay, straight, bi, kink, vanilla, black, asian american, disabled, blue, green, etc.

If someone said something stupid about any of the above, I would come to their defense even though it is not about me.

This has nothing to do with security issues, it has to do with possessing humanistic feelings of compassion and having the right to post accordingly on a public forum to address the idiotic comments of those who start threads and those who reply.

Is all that clear enough for you or are you going to fall back on the clique argument?

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:35:42 PM   
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Simply pointing out a generalization which is totally false. Now if you want to argue over semantics, well feel free.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:40:51 PM   
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And you asked the dumbest question anyone could ever ask on the forum (which kudos to you, is pretty fucking stupid) and that is why would anyone defend someone that is not their particular demographic.


And you demonstrate your inability to read. I asked no such question. I said you cannot be offended "for" someone else. I never said you couldn't defend them. You simply cannot be offended "for" them.

Example: If you don't particularly care about what someone says about....dogs. But you have an offline friend who hates anyone who says something negative about dogs. You can't come here and see a negative comment about dogs and be personally offended because you know your friend would be offended. Either something offends YOU or it doesn't. You can't get offended based on someone else's sensibilities.

Being personally offended and coming to another's defense are two completely different things. And if you think they aren't, then answer this question: Who, specifically, were you defending? The OP made no specific attacks on any specific person. Ergo, you were coming to the defense of no one. Which means you were incorrectly feeling offense, and reacting accordingly. No one here was being picked on. No one here was being abused and needing rescuing. People came to this thread because the wording of the OP made them take offense. And many who "took offense" were so far from the group being mentioned, it's ridiculous.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:41:51 PM   
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Simply pointing out a generalization which is totally false. Now if you want to argue over semantics, well feel free.


You weren't pointing out anything. You were waving your "I didn't jump his shit" banner because I didn't specifically mention you. Your lack of shit jumping has now been acknowledged. Move on.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:44:34 PM   
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Yes, there is a difference. But what must be understood here is that we, upon reading the OP's initial thoughts, do not know which group he is referring to. I learned long....LONG ago, that you can't really just assume everyone communicates perfectly. When I read the OP, I knew a couple of things right off the bat. 1) He wasn't talking about every single submissive male who walked the planet and B) He has evidently met enough submissive men to form such an opinion of them while meeting almost none of the type you are in a relationship with.

I think (can't prove) that if someone was dealing more with groups that were specifically geared more towards folks making their transition from the fantasy to the reality, they might have a different perspective then Me.  For example, I'm friends with a gal who runs a group called ALOG (Alternative Lifestyle Outreach Group.)  She sees way more folks than I do who might have certain misconceptions. 

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It baffles me that these two facts were not immediately evident to everyone else. It also baffles me how many people jumped his shit without attempting to get him to clarify (you were one of the few who did not, though you still jumped his shit to a degree, despite the clarification).

Well, to be frank, I'm still a bit confused on the conjecture between owned/unowned.  Like I said earlier, clip wasn't always owned by Me and it's not like he went from acting in the way the OP describes and then magically didn't anymore the day he was collared.  There might be something to be said for males being successful who don't act that way, but that's probably more than I'm willing to attempt stating as fact.  I'm only one person and My opinion on the matter may vary from what other people think.

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I've always been the type of man who says what I say, without really caring how someone else might read things into it. Those who are confused by something I say are free to ask for clarification. I'm a sucker for conversation and will happily clarify anything that is confusing. However, those who attempt to jump my shit based on an assumption place themselves into a group whose thoughts and feelings I could not care less about. I have neither time nor inclination to explain my thoughts to someone who would rather react to a perceived insult than to discuss what was actually said.


The problem with an internet forum is, unless a person writes a complete book, citing all of their experiences which have helped to form an opinion, there is always the possibility of misunderstanding.  It's the medium.

One thing that might be worth mentioning here.  During the course of the thread, somebody made a point of what they see here.  I'm taking here to mean CM.

In My opinion, there are some subjects that this is a bad way to obtain data.  The very key to this is that folks don't know if the poster they are dealing with has really left the fantasy stage and has any experience in an actual authority dynamic.  Good example right here.  You don't know Me from Adam.  Everything that I've said on this thread, if you had no experience in the lifestyle, could be complete bullshit. 

The very same can be the case if there are a number of posters here who come across as wimps, because they don't have the reality experience yet.  All they have is the misconception.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:46:43 PM   
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Simply pointing out a generalization which is totally false. Now if you want to argue over semantics, well feel free.


You weren't pointing out anything. You were waving your "I didn't jump his shit" banner because I didn't specifically mention you. Your lack of shit jumping has now been acknowledged. Move on.



No.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:47:52 PM   
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The problem with an internet forum is, unless a person writes a complete book, citing all of their experiences which have helped to form an opinion, there is always the possibility of misunderstanding.  It's the medium.


Indeed. And so many refuse to seek out that understanding instead of just attacking because they feel offended.....by some random person on the internet. Whew. If I spent my time worrying about being offended on the internet.....I'd never have owned a computer in the first place.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:48:59 PM   
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No.


Or, as it appears, you can take option 2 -- being incredibly immature.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:50:51 PM   
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No.


Or, as it appears, you can take option 2 -- being incredibly immature.


Irony troll is ironic.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:51:28 PM   
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No.


Or, as it appears, you can take option 2 -- being incredibly immature.



That's funny, you wanted me, a total stranger to do something, and I simply said no.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:51:56 PM   
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One could argue from your posts

"why are some straight male subs such domineering boys"? Would make one wonder if you are a sub......just saying.....

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:52:21 PM   
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Irony troll is ironic.


Do you feel accomplished now after your glib little comment?

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:53:28 PM   
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That's funny, you wanted me, a total stranger to do something, and I simply said no.


I don't want you to do anything. You're making yourself look just dandy with each post. Carry on. Doesn't bother me in the least.

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 6:57:51 PM   
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What may be considered completely off topic.

Recently, we've had a forum poster on the boards who literally goes out of his way to insult military personnel.  He has done his absolute best at every occasion to make his low opinion of them known.  I'm not a member of the military, but I'm married to one.  Is it possible to be offended by this person's comments?  Absolutely.  When he's being insulting, I certainly do have something to say about it.

I think it works the same way.  Yes, the OP could have been worded better.  When it seemed that it was coming across as insulting, folks don't want to have their friends, lovers, etc talked about in such a way.  Actually, I think it is something of a normal response.


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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 7:05:28 PM   
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Something just occurred to me.  Stunt and Total might be the same person.  Kinda like the couple that love to rear their heads up once in a while.

Just saying... 

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RE: Why are sub dudes such pussies? - 1/30/2011 7:11:14 PM   
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Irony troll is ironic.


Do you feel accomplished now after your glib little comment?


Not particularly. Nobody ever really accomplishes anything worth feeling accomplished about on message boards. You just made me laugh, is all.

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