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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 1:23:41 AM

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Not the point really. Define license.

If it illegal to do something without permission it is a crime.

Just sayin.

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Would be nice to actually understand what you are "Just sayin."

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 2:50:08 AM

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Actually, the part I like.. and the part I would much rather see... is the car's ability to determine alcohol levels. And I still believe breathalyzers should be mandatory in all cars. Bean counters wont like it much, but, I bet the cops would appreciate it.. as well as the ERs. EMTs, ect ect.

Umm.. you did note that mouthwash can cause a failed test? I happen to like mouthwash. Also, do you really want your car to take a snapshot of you every time you turn the key (to be sure you aren't getting someone else to do the test) and send that snapshot to the 'designated authorities', even when you have never had a DUI? Just... squick.

On a personal note, I do not get cell phone reception in my house and usually sit in my car with the engine going to run the a/c, fan, or heat so that I can be comfortable when I make a private phone call. Whether I am sober or not doesn't matter, as I'm not driving anywhere, just sitting in my car on my property while talking on the phone. I'm not the only person I know who does this, BTW.

There have also been times when I've spent the weekend in my pickup and used the engine heater to warm the camper. Try finding anyone sober at a Renn Faire at 2AM on Saturday to blow the breathalizer! Again, not going anywhere, but the nannytruck would not know that.

Such a plan would also go over wonderfully with the folks who like to work on their cars while downing some brews on the weekend. The vehicle is on private property, mind. Should they really need someone completely sober to turn the key so that they can check the engine?

Sorry, but the whole 'breathalizer in every car' idea is taking nannying wayyyyyyy too far in my opinion.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 3:39:34 AM

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What I am just sayin is that by definition something that is legal does not require a license.

The issuance of a license is permission to do something that is illegal without the license.

Therefore that act must be illegal.

But that wasn't the point. People still do what they want. Nobody cares what is legal, as long as they don't get caught. Some of us don't even care when we do.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 3:43:25 AM

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"On a personal note, I do not get cell phone reception in my house and usually sit in my car with the engine going to run the a/c, fan, or heat so that I can be comfortable when I make a private phone call."

You are GUILTY of DUI in at least two states I can think of at this moment.

Utah and Ohio are two of them for absolute sure. The "law" is clear on this. Would you like me to look it up for your state ?

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Note the quote was incomplete. But Bubba and the guys, just sitting in the driver seat with the keys anywhere in the car is guilt. In Utah you don't even have to be in the car, and that includes a felony conviction.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 7:40:32 AM

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Umm.. you did note that mouthwash can cause a failed test? I happen to like mouthwash. Also, do you really want your car to take a snapshot of you every time you turn the key (to be sure you aren't getting someone else to do the test) and send that snapshot to the 'designated authorities', even when you have never had a DUI? Just... squick.

Squick is seeing the results of a head on collision after a drunk has decided he has the right.

Squick is watching the kids being brought in after a night of binge drinking.

Squick is watching a man fall apart after coming into the ER to be told his wife and kids died on their way home from soccer practice because they were t-boned by a drunk on his way home from the bar.

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On a personal note, I do not get cell phone reception in my house and usually sit in my car with the engine going to run the a/c, fan, or heat so that I can be comfortable when I make a private phone call. Whether I am sober or not doesn't matter, as I'm not driving anywhere, just sitting in my car on my property while talking on the phone. I'm not the only person I know who does this, BTW.

If the keys are in the ignition, you are considered to be driving, according to law.

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Such a plan would also go over wonderfully with the folks who like to work on their cars while downing some brews on the weekend. The vehicle is on private property, mind. Should they really need someone completely sober to turn the key so that they can check the engine?

I dont know a responsible mechanic (And there are many in my family) who works on an engine while drinking.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 7:45:08 AM

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"Squick is seeing the results of a head on collision after a drunk has decided he has the right."

So let's really do something about it - just execute all drunk drivers on the first offense.

If you want knee-jerk reactionism why not do the job right ?

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 7:49:37 AM

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Nope. Not a knee jerk. A way to prevent them from doing something that have actually done before.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 7:54:37 AM

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Umm.. you did note that mouthwash can cause a failed test? I happen to like mouthwash.

You did notice from the article it stated these sensors for convicted drunk drivers were deliberately set to detect even mouthwash

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The devices are calibrated to detect even low levels of alcohol -- mouthwash can cause a failed test -- because convicted drunken drivers are prohibited from driving with any alcohol in their systems. You're not advised to take a test with a severe hangover either – lingering alcohol will cause you to fail the test.

Mouth washes with no alcohol...

Crest and Oral B both make the product.

You can have your fresh breath and drive too!

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:08:08 AM

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Hard-wiring to the horn and headlights, both of which are activated in a heart-stopping frenzy if you try to bypass the system.

Ummm. . . I can think of a way around that. Of course, I would not be able to do all of the re-wiring, but I am sure that others could do that part.

But what would keep a person from driving someone else's car while intoxicated? Do you think that such a program could increase vehicle theft?

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:13:53 AM

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What would be the point of stealing someone else's car if every car was fit with the device?

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Bypass Detect - If a breath test is not passed within a prescribed period of time after the vehicle is put into the run state, the horn will begin honking until the vehicle is turned off or a breath test is successfully passed. All events are recorded. Deters hot-wiring and push-starting of vehicles.

http://ignitioninterlockaz.com/index.php?component=content&cid=1

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:15:04 AM

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Parts?

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:16:14 AM

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LOL.. same as anyone else. But saying because the system is on your car that you will steal another simply to drive...

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:26:36 AM

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I guess I should've been more clear. In trying to keep posts short I guess some things get missed. You want to keep drunk drivers off the road then PUT THEM IN JAIL. Very few people drink and drive while in jail.

Secondly, let's see some real standards. Cop suspects a driver of being unable to drive safely, administer some typr of physical test, not a breathalyzer. They are worth shit. This would automatically cover all drugs wouldn't it ?

Before cars existed, if you ran someone over with a horse and buggy you would be held accountable. No ? Same deal.

Impaired is impaired. Alcohol is singled out because it is easily detected in the breath, making it easy to fuel the money game.

Not to change the subject, but I still think that senator is an ass wipe. He's looking for support or something. Controversy to put his name in front of people's faces. Maybe there are so many drunk drivers he wants to win a voting bloc or some shit. I see no point in persuing such an action at this time, and I bet 90% of people agree with me for whatever reason. I conclude that it's all for show. What show I don't know.

All this will be academic soon enough anyway, because nobody will be able to afford a car. How many people can't now ? Find me one industry that serves the major market that is COMING to this country rather than LEAVING it. Ask who is to blame. And before you blame these companies ask yourself one question. Who made it so attractive to move the major industries out of this country ?

If you answer that big business bought the government and was responsible for this trend, then it follows that regulations are at the whim of lobbyists. If you answer that the government advocates the loss of jobs for their constituents, then they are even worse traitors. That they are not simply born with a price tag on their head, that they really want to see this country fall. It's one or the other, except for one other possibility, that they really are that fucking stupid. That would indicate that our entire educational system should be scrapped.

Have you any other posilibties to present ? So given one of those three mindsets (if they can be called that), which is it ? In any of the three possibilities I can see, this dweeb has no intention of doing anything to restore people's rights. And they are not called human rights or civil rights. They are called rights. When you use a right and create a wrong society punishes you, usually by incarceration. There is nothing unconstitutional about it.

But if your horse injures someone and you are found to be wreckless in that regard, do they forbid you from riding horses ? If you are a carpenter and your hammer falls and hurts someone after a three beer lunch with a BigBohungusBurger at the bar, are you forbidden to pound nails ?

And since we all seem to agree that putting drunk drivers in jail is not a bad thing, what about the real assholes out there who have no such "excuse" ?

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:30:25 AM

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Last I heard they were put in jail... all except the drunk driver on this thread who actually bragged about hitting someone and getting away with it.

Driving is not a right, its a privilege. Abuse it, you lose it.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:39:55 AM

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Actually, the part I like.. and the part I would much rather see... is the car's ability to determine alcohol levels. And I still believe breathalyzers should be mandatory in all cars. Bean counters wont like it much, but, I bet the cops would appreciate it.. as well as the ERs. EMTs, ect ect.

Umm.. you did note that mouthwash can cause a failed test? I happen to like mouthwash. Also, do you really want your car to take a snapshot of you every time you turn the key (to be sure you aren't getting someone else to do the test) and send that snapshot to the 'designated authorities', even when you have never had a DUI? Just... squick.

On a personal note, I do not get cell phone reception in my house and usually sit in my car with the engine going to run the a/c, fan, or heat so that I can be comfortable when I make a private phone call. Whether I am sober or not doesn't matter, as I'm not driving anywhere, just sitting in my car on my property while talking on the phone. I'm not the only person I know who does this, BTW.

There have also been times when I've spent the weekend in my pickup and used the engine heater to warm the camper. Try finding anyone sober at a Renn Faire at 2AM on Saturday to blow the breathalizer! Again, not going anywhere, but the nannytruck would not know that.

Such a plan would also go over wonderfully with the folks who like to work on their cars while downing some brews on the weekend. The vehicle is on private property, mind. Should they really need someone completely sober to turn the key so that they can check the engine?

Sorry, but the whole 'breathalizer in every car' idea is taking nannying wayyyyyyy too far in my opinion.

I agree. It amounts to a kill switch.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:42:26 AM

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I'm dropping it. You will never see it my way and I will never see it your's. I'll just try to stay more on topic.

One poster ( was it you ? ) mentioned doing away with pilot's licenses. You know you can fly any damn time you want, but even the craziest fools don't until they know how.

I think I'll go exercise some rights, before they become priveledges. Either there is a difference or there isn't. Oh, and I have to call a lawyer. some kid hit me with a bicycle when I was ten. I want him off the road. That right must become a priveledge because of the possibility of harm.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 8:46:38 AM

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That is because she lives in a fantasy world.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 9:48:40 AM

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"On a personal note, I do not get cell phone reception in my house and usually sit in my car with the engine going to run the a/c, fan, or heat so that I can be comfortable when I make a private phone call."

You are GUILTY of DUI in at least two states I can think of at this moment.

Utah and Ohio are two of them for absolute sure. The "law" is clear on this. Would you like me to look it up for your state ?

T^T

Note the quote was incomplete. But Bubba and the guys, just sitting in the driver seat with the keys anywhere in the car is guilt. In Utah you don't even have to be in the car, and that includes a felony conviction.

Term, what if you are on your own property like in the driveway or out back someplace on your 200 acres?

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 9:56:31 AM

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In minnesota, its a good bust.

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RE: GA Republican’s bill would do away with driver’... - 2/2/2011 9:59:21 AM

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This guy's a nut. He proposes a whole bunch of things that never see the light of day, and here's his viewpoint:

"Representative Franklin has been called 'the conscience of the Republican Caucus"' because he believes that civil government should return to its biblically and constitutionally defined role," his House website states."

Right. Just how does the Bible get involved with civil government?

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