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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:55:10 AM

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Not supporting it. But it is obvious that they do want to keep them when all logic says get rid of them. Smells like yesterdays diapers.....

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:58:01 AM

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Actually there is one good reason - politics.

Companies keep the insurance for their employees, pass the increases to the employees (makes the company look good cause they are protecting the employee) Makes the Democrats look bad because they caused a decrease in net income for the employee, and will cause more voter rebellion in 2012. Political Action without having to report it because they are compling with law and not doing it as a political action which requires reporting.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 5:59:53 AM

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I thought about clicking the link for a moment. But then I noticed that one little word in the link, OPINION, and thought better of it.

Can't handle the TRUTH about ObamaCare, eh? Typical liberal.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:00:20 AM

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In case you missed it on the previous page.

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My premiums for my govt provided insurance (the one I opted out from) were approx $350 a month. The other got one that I did keep is $100 a month. My wife's cobra payment for Wal-mart was $460 a month. These are facts based upon my personal experience with the civilian insurance world (one which I will admit make very little sense to me). Now if that is required to cover the statutory amount + profit margin I wonder how the insurance police (my new govt sub agency of the IRS to enforce this and cheaper to get agents than using current treasurery agents) is going to find out what is profit and what is expense. And am I gonna have to testify if they aren't (along with all the other plan participants)

Cobra plans were designed to keep people from wanting to pay for them.

What government insurance did you opt out of for 350 and what insurance did you find for 100 to replace it?

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Now if we have to raise the employees rates at McDonalds to cover the same coverage, and just for shits and giggles we will say that the kids are getting 20 hr weeks, then their cost would be $175 a month. At minimum wage (I don't know what they make so that is what I am using for discussion purposes) then they would have to work to pay for the $160 a month increase (the $175 premimum minus the $15 a month they are currently paying) or about 22hrs a month (hmmmmm that is 2 hrs more than they are working - something wrong with this picture).

Their cost is no where close to that. Essential Care is the group plan for McDonalds. You are talking about 10 - 15 dollars a week. These have limited benefits, higher end deductibles, and add ons cost (such as dental).

Pst, your math is a bit off. Im curious as to where you got your monetary figures from.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:01:13 AM

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me too, LMAO

You too. ROFLMAO

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:01:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

I thought about clicking the link for a moment. But then I noticed that one little word in the link, OPINION, and thought better of it.

Can't handle the TRUTH about ObamaCare, eh? Typical liberal.

Opinion is far from truth.... and you are the perfect case in point.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:03:31 AM

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Actually there is one good reason - politics.

Companies keep the insurance for their employees, pass the increases to the employees (makes the company look good cause they are protecting the employee) Makes the Democrats look bad because they caused a decrease in net income for the employee, and will cause more voter rebellion in 2012. Political Action without having to report it because they are compling with law and not doing it as a political action which requires reporting.

Still think Mitch and Boner are looking out for you?

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:07:32 AM

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I used my numbers like the $175 for the McDonalds is 1/2 of what I would have paid. Otherwise I think I explained my math. At least I tried to.

My $100 a month is for my military insurance plan. The $350 was my City plan. And if you are fired or quit, I didn't see a grace period to get new insurancewhen I read the bill. So I guess you start out violating the law - watch out for the insurance police.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:08:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

I thought about clicking the link for a moment. But then I noticed that one little word in the link, OPINION, and thought better of it.

Can't handle the TRUTH about ObamaCare, eh? Typical liberal.

Opinion is far from truth.... and you are the perfect case in point.

Can't refute the message so attack the messenger. Typical liberal.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:10:01 AM

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Mitch and Boner?

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:10:25 AM

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And if you are fired or quit, I didn't see a grace period to get new insurancewhen I read the bill. So I guess you start out violating the law - watch out for the insurance police.

This makes no sense. Mind explaining?

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I used my numbers like the $175 for the McDonalds is 1/2 of what I would have paid. Otherwise I think I explained my math. At least I tried to.

And the numbers I used were those I know employees of employees such as McDonalds pays. Its pretty much standard with Day One companies.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:11:29 AM

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Can't refute the message so attack the messenger. Typical liberal.

I have refuted it, repeatedly, everytime you post.

Typical moron.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:18:39 AM

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OK Tazz How many hours/days/weeks/months/years are there between the time you leave a company and the time that you are required to be covered by the new law (in accordance with the new law)? When I read the law I didn't see that any time was allowed. Only that you are required to be covered. Therefore, the time you leave until you get the insurance you are uninsured and in violation of the law.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:20:58 AM

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OK Tazz How many hours/days/weeks/months/years are there between the time you leave a company and the time that you are required to be covered by the new law (in accordance with the new law)? When I read the law I didn't see that any time was allowed. Only that you are required to be covered. Therefore, the time you leave until you get the insurance you are uninsured and in violation of the law.

6 Months. Its in there. You cannot be covered for a 6 month period in the pool. Keeps individuals and companies from dropping insurances to get around the law.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:32:43 AM

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I couldn't find that section in the law, but that is ok. But how does that require or prevent individuals or companies from dropping their insurance?

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 6:50:42 AM

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Exemptions will be granted for financial hardship, religious objections, American Indians, those without coverage for less than three months, undocumented immigrants, incarcerated individuals, those for whom the lowest cost plan option exceeds 8% of an individual’s income, and those with incomes below the tax filing threshold (in 2009 the threshold for taxpayers under age 65 was $9,350 for singles and $18,700 for couples).

Here is a fact sheet. Im done doing homework for everyone when its readily available and has been for quite some time.

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/finalhcr.pdf

Read through it then ask questions.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 7:41:42 AM

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Tazz Nice site. Gives a reasonable snyopsis. I still don't see the requirement for companies to provide health care. There are some incentives, but no requirement. Soooo the costs can be totally born by the indidual if the company decides not to provide it and there isn't a requirement for the company to help him pay for it. Net Loss to the individual and increased profit for the company.

Did I miss something?

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 8:07:23 AM

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yes, you did.

Requirement to offer coverage... (did you actually read it?)

• Assess employers with more than 50 employees that do not offer coverage and have at least one fulltime
employee who receives a premium tax credit a fee of $2,000 per full-time employee, excluding the
first 30 employees from the assessment. Employers with more than 50 employees that offer coverage
but have at least one full-time employee receiving a premium tax credit, will pay the lesser of $3,000 for
each employee receiving a premium credit or $2,000 for each full-time employee. (Effective January 1,
2014)
• Exempt employers with 50 or fewer employees from any of the above penalties.
• Require employers that offer coverage to their employees to provide a free choice voucher to employees
with incomes less than 400% FPL whose share of the premium exceeds 8% but is less than 9.8% of their
income and who choose to enroll in a plan in the Exchange. The voucher amount is equal to what the
employer would have paid to provide coverage to the employee under the employer’s plan and will be
used to offset the premium costs for the plan in which the employee is enrolled. Employers providing
free choice vouchers will not be subject to penalties for employees that receive premium credits in the
Exchange. (Effective January 1, 2014)
Other requirements
• Require employers with more than 200 employees to automatically enroll employees into health
insurance plans offered by the employer. Employees may opt out of coverage.

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 8:27:41 AM

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Most of the people affected by the waivers are union members, which is especially funny, given how hard unions lobbied for the law they now run from (and the enforcement of which is, at least currently, patently illegal).

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RE: McDonald's gives an ObamaCare Lesson - 2/5/2011 8:32:20 AM

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That is incorrect on face value. If the union members lobbied for the law, and the corporation receives the waivers, it seems that the only thing running is drivel.

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