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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 5:06:37 PM

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I believe that all my love is unconditional. However, a person's presence in my life is not. No such thing for me as unconditional acceptance of someone's behaviour.

I can love you, and accept you no matter what...but if you are not healthy for me to be around, then I'll love you from a safe distance.

We often forget that we can hate the behaviour and still the love the person.

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I'll tell ya what.... It takes an awfully powerful /strong person to be in a relationship with another and love them unconditionally. For those who are truly capable..... you have my envy. As for myself, I'm still working on it. ; }

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I think the ability to love unconditionally comes the moment you realize it is the behaviour you hate, not the human being. It can be a difficult concept to grasp, but once you do it seems so obvious.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 5:41:17 PM

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I’ve heard the term unconditional love many times in my life. But what does that mean? Personally I don’t know that unconditional love is truly possible since even animals have expectations that need to be met for them to love us. Tolerance and acceptance is one thing, but can we truly love without conditions or expectations? Isn’t the very nature of D/s and M/s based on meeting conditions and expectations? I can commit to not leaving another or abandoning them but even then I cannot expect this of myself with absolutely no conditions.

Would really like to hear your thoughts and experiences.

It is entirely possible to love unconditionally... very rare but entirely possible. Some never have the chance to experience it, some are lucky to find it at a very young age. But i believe it's there.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 5:57:11 PM

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Hmmm... I love my pet rock unconditionally. well, as long as she is a rock.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 6:14:04 PM

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Well put LuckyAlbatross

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 6:29:43 PM

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i would say that is a condition of the relationship but not a condition of the love. I would not be with someone who had a serious drug problem (condition of the relationship) but that does not mean I could control my heart from loving them unconditionally. Loving them even though they have a problem. I would just choose to distance myself from that problem. That wouldn't mean I would love them any less.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 8:18:16 PM

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Unconditional love is posssible.
Personally tho I see it as how a parent loves a child. In relationships, no matter how loving, no matter how perfect there is always that line that can not be crossed. For some it would be a cheating spouse for others it could be lying or even a drug habit. But parents, the good ones anyway. Even if they are taking the hard stand with tough love they still love their child unconditionally. And are there for them when they are needed the most.

Unconditional means without bias or judgment no matter what you have done.

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I think this is exactly right. Unconditional love, that which continues no matter what the "conditions", pretty much belongs to the parent/ child arena. There is something chemical or biological about it. ALL other loves can end under the right conditions. Good point

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 8:22:52 PM

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MMM.its unconditional on the condition of yer heart.

Which does a different beat about every five seconds or less......love's not wise,love just is.

Get used to it.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 8:30:06 PM

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i haven't read through all the posts, so maybe this has already been said. If so, i apologize.

Unconditional love is possible--i have it for my children. To me it means, they screw up... i still love them... it is unconditional (imvho).

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 10:41:22 PM

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I believe unconditional love is possible where there is mutual respect and understanding. I am lucky enough to be a part of relationship like this...and I feel even more blessed because in the beginning He didn't think He would ever be able to love like that except for possibly His own child if He had one. When a relationship evolves through good and bad shared situations...hurting when the other one hurts and celebrating when the other one has good things happen to them...growing in the discovery of what makes the other who they are and knowing deep in your soul that you accept them for all that they are and even for what they may not be and knowing they feel the same way...that is what unconditional love has come to mean to me.

Now going back to the mutual respect and understanding part...we are monogamous and to ever step over that boundary is to possibly destroy what we have. We would never dream of doing that. Unconditional love is something that still has to be cherished and taken care of...it's a very mature kind of love.

...and that is my two cents worth.

Take care all.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 10:52:26 PM

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Is the love we have for our children not unconditional, the screw up and we forgive them in time and chalk it up to a learning experience. We stand by them when they are down, when they are up, when they are in jail ......... we still love them.. Is this not unconditional love, loving regardless of shortcoming and loving them for their strengths and loving them to find forgiveness in things we do not understand, acceptance of their faults, and loving them because we do. Is this not unconditional love. I believe unconditional love not only exists but is alive in everyone. imo

And as you stand by your master, regardless how stupid they might sound sometimes you accept it for what it is, you stand by them, believe in them to lead you in the right direction even though they know they are not infalliable and without fault. Is this not unconditional, who is setting the parameters and you are allowing this because why...... is this not unconditional.....

hummmm ponders the thought that that unconditional is the opposite of conditional. I will love you IF.... hummmm now this sounds like a contract not anything more, and I see no love is such statement IF

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/4/2006 10:56:35 PM

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I absolutely agree that there is unconditional love between parent and child...I know I have that for my children and my parents had/have for me...but my response was directed more towards the relationship between partners because of the nature of this forum.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 12:49:11 AM

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I believe that all my love is unconditional. However, a person's presence in my life is not. No such thing for me as unconditional acceptance of someone's behaviour.

I can love you, and accept you no matter what...but if you are not healthy for me to be around, then I'll love you from a safe distance.

We often forget that we can hate the behaviour and still the love the person.

Cin

I'll tell ya what.... It takes an awfully powerful /strong person to be in a relationship with another and love them unconditionally. For those who are truly capable..... you have my envy. As for myself, I'm still working on it. ; }

- R

I think the ability to love unconditionally comes the moment you realize it is the behaviour you hate, not the human being. It can be a difficult concept to grasp, but once you do it seems so obvious.

Cin

Cin... I think you're on the money. Well articulated.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 2:06:02 AM

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I believe love is unconditional...but there can be conditions as to whether you continue experiencing it towards another...but more than likely, you might find yourself in a situation where you cannot continue to be with them, love or not...

I found that love is not enough...relationships require many elements to continue, from honesty, trust to the willingness of the participants to continue building it between each other...

but even taken away, that doesn't mean the 'love' diminishes...though for some, the intensity may transmute into other equally strong emotions...

For me, the decision to love another is not taken lightly and it always exists, once allowed...but those I love seem to leave. As everything changes, every thing.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 3:07:25 AM

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TO quote a wise songwriter from the 80's...

"Love Stinks!! Yeah Yeaaahhh!"

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 3:20:09 AM

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Only if you own a dog.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 10:56:11 AM

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Only if you own a dog.

well not really. if your dog attacked your child you'd still kill it

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 11:01:36 AM

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I'm not sure I believe in unconditional love other then for my child.

Then again I don't think i've ever actually been in love with anyone. I've had deep feelings for them, felt lust, desire and want. But really when the relationship ended it sucked but I was over it with in a couple weeks at most.

My first Master, I adored totally and wanted nothing more then to make him happy, but things changed and we decided to part. It was sad but not devastating in any sense.

Guess I'm still looking for that someone. Even then I don't believe it would be an truly and completely unconditional.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 11:08:53 AM

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I can put this whole debate to rest.

You tell someone you love them,they tell you they don't return it.

You love them anyhow.

That's unconditional.

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 11:11:12 AM

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if one can remove the selfish feelings of loving and all it brings
yes it is possible, loving fills a need.......
which makes even unconditional love selfish nevertheless

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RE: Unconditional Love - Is it possible? - 5/5/2006 9:17:05 PM

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I believe unconditional love is possible where there is mutual respect and understanding.

ok let me understand this ... You believe that unconditional love is possible as long as the condition of mutal respect and understanding exists between those in the relationship?

mmmmm and I thought unconditional love means no conditions.

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