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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 8:22:03 PM

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ROFL... you have GOT to be kidding me, Icarys... You obviously have no clue what you are talking about if you are posting that to Ishtarr.

Why don't you tell us what the truth is....My words stand. No joke.

You want to know? Go rummage through the gorean threads. I dont do homework.

But your words are a joke.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 8:52:40 PM

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You want to know? Go rummage through the gorean threads. I dont do homework.

But your words are a joke.

You're the only joke I see here little girl..and the question was rhetorical genius but I surely don't doubt that you do not do homework..

You're definitely one of those I would have in mind when I say things like that.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 9:32:26 PM

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Here's my two cents on the matter. First and foremost is the issue of people being competent in the things we do. Incompetent people, along with people that lack knowledge.. tend to fuck up, the incompetent people don't understand what went wrong and why, why somebody else would learn from their mistakes (regardless if it's a small or ugly major screw up).

Then there's this whole concept about "the pursuit of happiness"... people should have the right to this. It's a sort of Civil Right issue.

However, somebody that is not competent really does not understand how society functions, let alone understand their own rights.

I see this as being competent in your pursuit of happiness of issue.

That's guys IQ is extremely low, which means he ain't competent. I'm not ready to endorse this a being sound and fit enough to engage in BDSM.

Whoever is legally in charge of making decisions for this guy, is the boss running the show in what they deem is fit in his and others he interacts with own best interest.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 9:39:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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You want to know? Go rummage through the gorean threads. I dont do homework.

But your words are a joke.

You're the only joke I see here little girl..and the question was rhetorical genius but I surely don't doubt that you do not do homework..

You're definitely one of those I would have in mind when I say things like that.

It doesnt surprise me that you would react this way. Morality is certainly subjective, especially when viewed by a man from the tip of his cock.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 10:11:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

I'm not advocating his rights. I'm not that politically correct. In the here and now the case has come before a judge and a decision has been made based upon the details and the defendant's mental capacity. And just because someone has a right to do something doesn't mean it should be acted upon. He has a 'right' to copulate but at what cost? I'm sorry, but I'm unwilling to swallow the ramifications of his oops and nor should anyone else. Call it what you will, but you aren't living with the consequences of his ignorance because you're not climbing in bed with him.

Actually, you're not climbing in bed with him. The onus is on you since you're the one supporting the notion that the removal of his freedoms follows because it has been dictated.

And the position to advocate the removal of someone's freedoms because of their inability to adequately assess reality as it is happening to them would leave an awful lots of metaphysically-fond people in the looney bin, without the ability to consent.

Then again, it's apparent that the entire construct of philosophy is moot unless there is a measureable activism coupled to it...because logic alone isn't enough apparently!

Now I'm laughing.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 10:23:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

However, somebody that is not competent really does not understand how society functions, let alone understand their own rights.

I see this as being competent in your pursuit of happiness of issue.

I see where you're going with this, but it strikes me as a cookie-cutter preset idea of "happiness" that we're measuring (one that involves having the tools this man does not through no fault of his own) against him.

When I say "happiness" I'm talking about the fact that, despite his mental incapacities, he has the ability to emotionally feel and that is where individual autonomy (and the entire "freedom" concept) comes from.

Then again, we can always chemically sedate and alter his moods and emotions to suffer less the consequences we place upon him.

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

Whoever is legally in charge of making decisions for this guy, is the boss running the show in what they deem is fit in his and others he interacts with own best interest.

So then why the need for the court mandate at all? From the information of the other article that was provided, it seems like a 'personal-guardian options' versus 'the home's policies' type of decision.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 10:51:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

As far as Alans situation, I don't know that I would agree with the judges decision if I had further information but as it stands I don't think the *what if* is nearly enough for the government representative to stick its nose into Alan's bedroom.

I think this brings up a good point because a lot of people are looking at this from a percentages kind of angle. To some, the IQ suggests to them his percentage chance of "being abused" is too high (based on nebulous thresholds) to allow him to be free of his own volition (mostly, I'm still working with the presumption that he surely must have some kind of family guardian that acts as the ideal arbiter).

I read this link over again to try and get some better insight:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/with+judge+rules/4231131/story.html#ixzz1DF0wN4tv

...and the strange thing that seems to loom underneath is that Alan was apparently being sexually lewd towards children and the court felt (I guess?), based on his condition, the best alternative for correction for that "vigorous sex drive" was to remove it altogether as an option in his life since they weren't sure he could dissociate the "right" times to be sexual from the "wrong" times and the "right" people to be sexual towards from the "wrong" people.

That's not how it seems to be written at all and the article seems to highlight more volatile facets much more aggressively, but in that regard the ruling could conceivably make sense (at least from a psychological perspective).

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/8/2011 11:22:42 PM

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One question I have that I didn't see addressed in the article - who is Alan's legal guardian?

He lives in an assistance home provided by the council. Is the council his legal guardian?

If so, their taking a more 'parental' role seems fitting.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 12:08:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

Someone not necessarily understanding possibilities, such as transmitting diseases is not something I would equal with ignorance.

Greetings Phoenixpower,

The gentlemen is unaware of the ramifications of his behavior and is therefore ignorant of the alternatives he can undertake to prevent self harm. I don't know what you gleaned from that statement since the definition of the word is in line with its use in the sentence.

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Apart from that it wasn't stated that he sleeps arount, does it? Yes, it was mentioned that he doesn't understand health impacts, but that itself does not equal fucking around.

Once again it would appear your comment is not in reference to my previous response. I have not suggested that the individual is promiscuous at all. And although he's living in a residential environment it isn't uncommon for residents to engage.

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Well said, reminds me on a previous doctor who ignored my immense pain caused due to having fibromyalgia, with dismissing it that the pain would be weight related which quite frankly, wasn't the case, as I know now thanks to a different doctor

I'm glad to hear you've found a good physician. The weight was not the cause of your pain but a contributing factor because Fibromyaligia episodes typically limit mobility and the excess weight is taxing on the joints. I had pain in all twenty-one positions along with a severe case of CFS but I've been in remission for years. Losing weight eliminated most symptoms and a change in diet got rid of the rest. I hope you're in better health. It can be a debilitating disease to deal with.

Namaste,

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 12:17:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

Actually, you're not climbing in bed with him. The onus is on you since you're the one supporting the notion that the removal of his freedoms follows because it has been dictated.

Sorry, I'm a wee bit pickish as you recall.

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And the position to advocate the removal of someone's freedoms because of their inability to adequately assess reality as it is happening to them would leave an awful lots of metaphysically-fond people in the looney bin, without the ability to consent.

I'm certain they'll be joined by the anally repressed logical types that wring their hands in frustration at the abstract and sorely wish everyone would simply get real and pull their heads out of the clouds. Funny how they always cry for change and rarely learn how to adapt. That metaphysical stuff teaches it quite nicely.

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Now I'm laughing.

When you realize the things you know and accept there's a lot you don't you can really have a good howl. I don't live in a fixed world with everything proceeding just so. That's far too clinical for my tastes.

Namaste,

~porcelaine

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 7:33:49 AM

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It doesnt surprise me that you would react this way. Morality is certainly subjective, especially when viewed by a man from the tip of his cock.

Just curious what would make you say such a thing? How does any of this have the first thing to do with a guy who thinks with his cock?

You mean because I called you little girl? I think you are..at least emotionally. You show a very tiny view.

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Ahh nevermind...I see now..I so often miss implications like those because I so rarely think like that...

so you think belief that this guy who has his rights being taken away and my decision to side with him is somehow linked with me and him being men..All I can say to that is..you are seriously missing the target if you think that's how I think. I know from my previous reads of your past posts that I wouldn't have the slightest chance of convincing you otherwise..even if logic would tell the normal person that they don't have the first clue. When it comes to me on a personal level...You'd be an idiot but a tenacious one.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 9:50:44 AM

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so you think belief that this guy who has his rights being taken away and my decision to side with him is somehow linked with me and him being men..All I can say to that is..you are seriously missing the target if you think that's how I think.

Amazingly, I didnt think you would get it. And I was right.

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I know from my previous reads of your past posts that I wouldn't have the slightest chance of convincing you otherwise..even if logic would tell the normal person that they don't have the first clue.

If I didnt know better, I would swear english wasnt your first language. You were given the places to look. No, I dont do the homework of others. This is for you to discover on your own. How someone who is morally bankrupt themselves can sprout off about the morality of others is beyond me. ~hint~ That last line had nothing to do with you. Now, enjoy!

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:07:10 AM

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Amazingly, I didnt think you would get it. And I was right.

Then prove me wrong..surely you won't pass up an opportunity to do that, would you?

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If I didn't know better, I would swear English wasn't your first language. You were given the places to look. No, I don't do the homework of others. This is for you to discover on your own. How someone who is morally bankrupt themselves can sprout off about the morality of others is beyond me. ~hint~ That last line had nothing to do with you. Now, enjoy!

You are either lost or are choosing to pretend I meant something for you that's not true. The latter would make you a coward..The former would make you stupid. Which one is it....I've got my bets placed.

BTW..I usually don't stoop to this but I couldn't help but laugh at the irony of you making a comment about my English (Which is about the pettiest thing a person can do in an argument..Usually means they've got nothing left in the tank to argue with) while making so many mistakes yourself. I fixed your errors for you.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:11:03 AM

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This is only one of the things that bothers me about the case.

A psychiatrist involved in the case even tried to prevent the man being given sex education, on the grounds that it would leave him "confused."
Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/with+judge+rules/4231131/story.html#ixzz1DUDgT56G

They seem all too willing to do what they think is necessary without actually trying anything else.

It makes me wonder what angle a psychiatrist would have for not wanting to at least try this avenue before writing the guy off.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:16:33 AM

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There is a difference between grammatical errors and not understanding something because english being your first language.

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Then prove me wrong..surely you won't pass up an opportunity to do that, would you?

You arent worth the effort... its really that simple.

As far as finding out.. the information is there. Do your own homework.

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You are either lost or are choosing to pretend I meant something for you that's not true. The latter would make you a coward..The former would make you stupid. Which one is it....I've got my bets placed.

No clue what you are blathering about here.. nor do I care. Grab your big boy panties and discover for yourself. Either way, you would lose that bet.

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Morality is certainly subjective, especially when viewed by a man from the tip of his cock.

Since the above escapes you... lol.. which isnt surprising, honestly... explaining it further would be an exercise in futility.

Do enjoy your day!

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:32:33 AM

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You arent worth the effort... its really that simple.

As far as finding out.. the information is there. Do your own homework.

Somewhere along the line you've come up with the idea that I've asked you for something that you've provided on this particular thread..You'd be wrong so I'm not sure where this.."Do your homework" thing is coming from.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:34:58 AM

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we have a budding romance between tazzy and icarys

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:36:50 AM

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Since the above escapes you... lol.. which isnt surprising, honestly

I know! That's what I've been thinking too.

Thank you..I now have my answer to the previous question..It's both..cowardly AND stupid.

Thanks to you..I am enjoying it. Appreciate the chance to laugh. I work so hard and every second of this has provided a welcomed moment of levity in my day.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:38:03 AM

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we have a budding romance between tazzy and icarys

I think she may be sweet on me.

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RE: Illegal to consent to sex? - 2/9/2011 10:52:02 AM

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we have a budding romance between tazzy and icarys

Your duck has been pecking at your brain while you sleep.

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