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Aneirin -> RE: What is the Muslim Brotherhood (2/20/2011 10:25:40 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
I see the thought police have turned up am just wondering when the dog arrives, probably sniffing shit somewhere else.
How nice Anerin. That is probably a reference to me since you agree with Tweakabelle virtually all the time. The "thought police" is probably a reference to myself reminding him on occasion about how ugly his views regarding Jews are.
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I just wonder if this thread is also going to degenerate into another Israeli /Palestine whos'e right and whos'e wrong sitiuation.
I actually said that this thread was not the right place for such discussion. I then responded to Tweakabelle who wrote a long post with numerous contentions which in turn took me some time to refute.
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
But on the subject of religion, is it that Islam is the new communist, the new bogeyman under the bed to fear, is that why Islam is to be feared so much ?
Islam I believe was first formed as an offshoot of Christianity, which at the time was degenerating into the same old, same old religious club that even Jesus was against, the Christians had defied their son of god and created what he did not want, the priests and pharasees in the temple and all the shit that comes with it. Islam that off shoot demanded a cleaner way, devotion that Christianity had lost. It is interesting that many in Islam still live their way of god, where with Christianity, god only seems to appear when it is politically or comercially expedient. Maybe that is the truth of the battle, true believer against those that only think they believe.
This post explains a lot about you. You regard Muslims as "true believers". You are quite clearly an apologist for Islam for we see how much esteem you regard Islam, which you regard as being better than Christianity as a faith in itself.
You accused me of being Islamophobic, whilst blathering on in a mantra about how any accusation of anti-Semitism is illegitimate, and "accusing" Luckydawg of being a Jew. You lambasted Catholicism on the last Israeli thread, attacked Judiasm repeatedly and you said you hated all religion. You stated "I was a Roman Catholic until I parted company with organised religion, as I see it as the root of all evil, but until the organised religions can learn to reign in those that commit physical or verbal violence against others in their name," which is absurd - the only faith engaging in violence throughout the world today is Islam - the major conflict zones in the world today regard Islam interacting with other faiths.
Yes, I believe all organised religion is shit, not necessarily the believers, but the organisation of believers, as why do believers need to be organised, if they believe in something. Oh, I know, that age old human frailty, the need to be above someone else, hierachy, for organised religion has it's hierachy, clerics and such who hold places of high esteem. Why, are they closer to their deity, well, that depends on how lowly you believe you are, or how lowly you have been taught to believe you are, but when there is hierachy, that is when religious clubs can be organised into the perversion of belief, the misuse of scripture for political aims, the Imam said it was so, so it must be, the priest said it was so, he is closer to god, so it must be so etc etc etc.
Oh yes, perhaps the Mooslims are using their belief in the present troubles, no doubt whipped up by an Imam with a political bent, I wonder how many of those in religious authority are firing on all cylinders, I wonder how many harbour mental illnesses that in other parts of society one can get labelled mentaly ill, or just plain criminal, does no one ever question the religious leaders as to their sanity. No, they won't, as hearing the words of god is not the same as one who becomes to be labelled mentaly ill because they also admit to hearing voices. So it is either they could be considered mentally ill because they talk to god, or they are just downright liars who know full well saying god told them personally, they can motivate a bunch of eager believers into things they would otherwise not do.
But the Muslims are the only ones in this present time that are combining their belief with their political aims, hmm, I wonder has that been done before, are they the only ones doing it at this present time I wonder.Who else is clinging to ancient hearsay to justify their position and action. But yeah, the Muslims are combining politics with religion, but they ain't the only ones to do it, for I believe the Catholic church did a fair old bit in the middle ages.
But my distaste for organised religion sremmed from the Northern Ireland troubles, as from a very early age coming in from school and catching the news, it was always news of what was happening in Northern Ireland, such words as Catholic and protestant and Reverend Ian Paisley became burned into my memory, there was a religious war going on, and at that time, I was reasonably devout, but everything I knew about my belief was not what was happening in Northern Ireland, I was starting to have my doubts about my religion. I was also a student of history, history interested me greatly and there I came upon my church in the past, the atrocities and perversions committed by them and I learned early that religion was a power game, not a belief. But what made me finally decide to quit catholicism, was the words said to me by an Irish Catholic priest, drunk on my absent father's whiskey when I questioned him on aspects of belief.
My absolute distate for organised religion only came about in recent years, after spending a lifetime trying to belong, I finally found the need not to belong, I do not need other people's interpretations of what I believe, mine fit perfectly fine and I don't need an intermediary to speak to my deity for me, for I can do that myself, not that I bother it much for I prefer to work out my own pathway through life, for that, I understand, is my challenge and my goal, the future,not the past.
The sooner people worldwide realise their life, their path is entirely up to them, then, maybe we might just crawl forward instead of relighting ancient fires with people that in reality are blameless for their ancestor's actions.
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