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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 5:03:20 PM

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Actually those are subjective details as they cannot be measured. Objective means there facts that can be measured. The length of time between interruptions is an objective detail whether questions were friendly is strictly a subjective measure.

Smiles can be measured, so can compliments.

What I meant by 'friendly' questions was non-policy oriented questions. The stuff about the super bowl, about how his job changed him, etc. Not "nice" questions.

Would you like me to watch the interviews and tally up how many times O'Reilly smiled in each of them? Will that somehow mean something? Will smiling outweigh interruptions? Or will we each sit here with our own fucking opinions, you believing one objective fact is more important and me believing the other is?

Seriously?

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 5:33:46 PM

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Actually those are subjective details as they cannot be measured. Objective means there facts that can be measured. The length of time between interruptions is an objective detail whether questions were friendly is strictly a subjective measure.

Smiles can be measured, so can compliments.

What I meant by 'friendly' questions was non-policy oriented questions. The stuff about the super bowl, about how his job changed him, etc. Not "nice" questions.

Would you like me to watch the interviews and tally up how many times O'Reilly smiled in each of them? Will that somehow mean something? Will smiling outweigh interruptions? Or will we each sit here with our own fucking opinions, you believing one objective fact is more important and me believing the other is?

Seriously?

You're still misunderstanding.

Smiling is subjective because we can never know the reason for it. You wrongly assume that is indicative of some positive attitude of O'Reilly's toward Obama. It could simply be as fake as O'Reilly's attempted neutral demeanor when he interviewed Bush.

That's why I stayed strictly on objective measures that cannot be disputed. You want to obfuscate the matter by trying to pretend that O'Reilly likes the President and was tossing him softballs.

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 5:38:07 PM

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Smiling is subjective because we can never know the reason for it. You wrongly assume that is indicative of some positive attitude of O'Reilly's toward Obama. It could simply be as fake as O'Reilly's attempted neutral demeanor when he interviewed Bush.

That's why I stayed strictly on objective measures that cannot be disputed. You want to obfuscate the matter by trying to pretend that O'Reilly likes the President and was tossing him softballs.

Can't we all just agree that O'Reilly is a clueless, charmless little nurk, and leave it at that?

Why does it have to get complex?

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 6:06:37 PM

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You're still misunderstanding.

Smiling is subjective because we can never know the reason for it. You wrongly assume that is indicative of some positive attitude of O'Reilly's toward Obama. It could simply be as fake as O'Reilly's attempted neutral demeanor when he interviewed Bush.

It could be. I don't see it as a positive view of Obama, I see it as being more engaged in the conversation.

Likewise, you can't assume interruption is indicative of a negative attitude toward Obama. I also see it as being more engaged in the conversation.

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That's why I stayed strictly on objective measures that cannot be disputed. You want to obfuscate the matter by trying to pretend that O'Reilly likes the President and was tossing him softballs.

I never said he was tossing Obama softballs and I don't believe he was. I just said he wasn't with Bush.

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 6:18:33 PM

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My favorite part of the interview was at the end, when O'Reilly said to Obama, "I know I sometimes don't agree with you, but I hope you think I've been fair to you. Or at least try to be." And Obama just stared at him stone-faced for about 3 beats, stuck out his hand, and said, "Always a pleasure, Bill."

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 6:53:48 PM

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My favorite part of the interview was at the end, when O'Reilly said to Obama, "I know I sometimes don't agree with you, but I hope you think I've been fair to you. Or at least try to be." And Obama just stared at him stone-faced for about 3 beats, stuck out his hand, and said, "Always a pleasure, Bill."

Yes :) Rather like shutting the door on a piss-poor doorstep salesman.

The other thing, and this really annoyed me, as someone who isn't used to Bill's mickey-mouse interview "style", is the cheap, cowardly way O'Reilly asks a question, receives an answer, then almost under his breath says something to chip away at the answer in a cheap way, then moves to his next question without any attempt to let Obama answer what's said against him ... it's like O'Reilly's trying for the award for "most whiny little shit in modern US history".

O'Reilly's a prize cunt. I hope something really unpleasant happens to him, soonest. He's the kind of smart-mouthed, no-ideas, zero-solution, low-life twatburger who makes a good living trying to tear down better men, while having no positive effect on life at all himself.

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 7:31:33 PM

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He would not be so subtle to (I could have said as to...LOL) make a joke out of 'off of ', it would soar over the heady heights of american lingo.

Well obviously if it's for comic effect then fair enough, but the "less" and "fewer" example is just very poor writing/journalism.

That's my current pet peeve. I find that confusion everywhere: articles, broadcasts, conversations, emails, etc. It sets my teeth on edge.

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/12/2011 7:57:50 PM

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That's my current pet peeve. I find that confusion everywhere: articles, broadcasts, conversations, emails, etc. It sets my teeth on edge.

Good! You are clearly A Cut Above, and should correct the frequent-flyer-fuckwits whenever possible.

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/13/2011 5:23:48 AM

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You're still misunderstanding.

Smiling is subjective because we can never know the reason for it. You wrongly assume that is indicative of some positive attitude of O'Reilly's toward Obama. It could simply be as fake as O'Reilly's attempted neutral demeanor when he interviewed Bush.

It could be. I don't see it as a positive view of Obama, I see it as being more engaged in the conversation.

Likewise, you can't assume interruption is indicative of a negative attitude toward Obama. I also see it as being more engaged in the conversation.

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I never said it was because of a negative attitude towards the President but a simple lack of courtesy that should be given to the leader of the nation. Fundamentally I don't want to hear a reporters comments during an interview with the President, I want to hear the President's complete answers to whatever question is asked. That he did it less frequently to Bush was simply a point of evidence that Obama was not treated more respectfully than Bush.

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/13/2011 11:03:34 AM

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Smiling is subjective because we can never know the reason for it. You wrongly assume that is indicative of some positive attitude of O'Reilly's toward Obama. It could simply be as fake as O'Reilly's attempted neutral demeanor when he interviewed Bush.

That's why I stayed strictly on objective measures that cannot be disputed. You want to obfuscate the matter by trying to pretend that O'Reilly likes the President and was tossing him softballs.

Can't we all just agree that O'Reilly is a clueless, charmless little nurk, and leave it at that?

Why does it have to get complex?

Can we all just agree that Obama is a clueless, charmless little nurk and leave it at that?

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RE: Protected from Zombie Outbreak! - 2/13/2011 11:11:55 AM

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Someone tell O'Reilly it's rude to point. Does my washing machine point at me when it's entering the no spin zone??? No because it isn't a rude fucker.

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