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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/11/2011 10:08:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It will not happen here...remember the Egyptian people have had no way to express and address their grievances.

Despite the glum, doom and fanaticism in our politics we do...there is the difference.

As proven in the last 22 years of political revolution that has repeatedly changed our political course.

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/11/2011 10:23:48 PM   
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Don't think so? Under the pre-1994 formula (when long term discouraged workers were fraudulently taken out of the formula) unemployment has run around 22.5%. It peaked at around 25% in the Great Depression.

But to the OP, no, it couldnt happen here.


Care to document that or is it just more of your made-up bullshit?


I can document the opposite.

The U6 incorporates the discouraged workers into the formula.

•U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
•U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
•U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
•U4 : U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
•U5 : U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
•U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons

Currently, the U6 unemployment rate is 16.1... the lowest it has been since April, 2009.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 4:20:33 AM   
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Considering the Ultra right wing militias and anti-government extremists in the country, added to that the "Second Amendment Remedies" called for by a certain REPUBLICAN senatorial candidate from Nevada, along with similar statements from a person campaigning for a tea party candidate in Florida, add in the statement from Palin "Dont retreat, reload," and other violent rhetoric from the far right, it could.

But the result will be an oppressive Conservative regime where gays, bisexuals and transgendered people will have no rights, where a woman's right to choose is taken away, and social safety nets like social security and medicare would be eliminated, increasing the number of people in the United States that cannot afford health care and cannot get health care.


That's right, it hasn't even happened yet and you are already blaming the right for it. You truly are a piece of work


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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 5:37:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I say, never say never, for we do not yet know how things will turn out, will the economy get back to what it was pre collapse and let us not forget that with an increasing world population, resources go to the highest bidder, or the one with the military strength to protect or go and take. Now if resources go to the highest bidder, how is that going to effect the man on the street in terms of taxation and again, the cost of continued security of those things we need in life. We do lead a fragile existence, the more we have become dependant on our technologies, the more resource hungry they have become.

Added to that, well, politics, when will the point come when the elect do what they believe is correct and with little regard to those who suffer because of politicians political expediency, especially so, as those in power tend to not have much of a clue what it is like at the bottom runs of the ladder, which could be an increasing percentage of people.

Ok, so it is small potatoes, but since our cost cutting measures have been put into place, we have had demonstrations and lawlessness by the few, coupled with that is the fairly common knowledge that our government is a bunch of elitist milionaires who are not in touch with the populace, a government that seems to be addopting the Mary Antoinette understanding when they are challenged about their policies.

So, when either people lose respect  and confidence for the politicians, or the politicians lose contact with the elect, that might be an initiator for public unrest which if not calmed, may escalate. But just a word about calming protests, it has to be done very carefully, as simply putting down unrest has a habit of further seperating the elect from the voter.

As to security force loyalty in this country at least, no matter what was signed, I seriously doubt the government would get that loyalty, especially so, as most oaths of allegiance was done to the Queen, not the government, further to that, we live in a very crowded country, the security do not have their own enclaves, they are in with hoi polloi.


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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 5:46:17 AM   
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Considering the Ultra right wing militias and anti-government extremists in the country, added to that the "Second Amendment Remedies" called for by a certain REPUBLICAN senatorial candidate from Nevada, along with similar statements from a person campaigning for a tea party candidate in Florida, add in the statement from Palin "Dont retreat, reload," and other violent rhetoric from the far right, it could.

But the result will be an oppressive Conservative regime where gays, bisexuals and transgendered people will have no rights, where a woman's right to choose is taken away, and social safety nets like social security and medicare would be eliminated, increasing the number of people in the United States that cannot afford health care and cannot get health care.


That's right, it hasn't even happened yet and you are already blaming the right for it. You truly are a piece of work


In all fairness, though, some on the right love to rant about an armed rebellion.

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 5:52:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The trouble with the armed rebellion thingie from the nutsucking right is that they are deluded in that they think the entire left has some abhorrance of guns, and there are far more of the left than the right, addionally; the  right likes to start wars and cerebrally armchair general them, fucking them up most heftily, while it is left to the middle and the left to enlist and die, not something the right is generally willing to do.

So, they would have their ass handed to them quite readily, it would be the mother of all humiliations (if thats possible, peering out across this crowd) for them.   

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 6:09:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		And as long as there are political factions, left, right, conservative, centre left, GOP, labour, liberal, independant etc, it keeps the political oppinion devided, so it unlikely all those groups will see eye to eye long enough to come to a decision that things weren't going good. But what a wonderful political tool, foster the rabble to keep their eye off the ball by giving them clubs to belong to so the old adage together we conquer, divided we fall holds truth, for it is being used with political effect world wide.

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 7:41:04 AM   
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My guess is no.  What went on in Egypt was a demonstration of EDUCATED people having had enough of authoritarian rule.  We do not have enough educated people, that are uncomfortable.  Complacency reigns supreme here in the good old US of A.

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I don't know if it could happen here. I've been wondering about that myself. Would the younger generation have the will and bravery necessary? I think we as a nation are too soft.

Plus, what does education have to do with it?

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 7:43:06 AM   
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In all fairness some of the presidents friends have tried it.

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In all fairness, though, some on the right love to rant about an armed rebellion.


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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 7:46:44 AM   
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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 9:05:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering the Ultra right wing militias and anti-government extremists in the country, added to that the "Second Amendment Remedies" called for by a certain REPUBLICAN senatorial candidate from Nevada, along with similar statements from a person campaigning for a tea party candidate in Florida, add in the statement from Palin "Dont retreat, reload," and other violent rhetoric from the far right, it could.

But the result will be an oppressive Conservative regime where gays, bisexuals and transgendered people will have no rights, where a woman's right to choose is taken away, and social safety nets like social security and medicare would be eliminated, increasing the number of people in the United States that cannot afford health care and cannot get health care.


That's right, it hasn't even happened yet and you are already blaming the right for it. You truly are a piece of work


In all fairness, though, some on the right love to rant about an armed rebellion.


Can't argue with that.


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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 9:13:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The trouble with the armed rebellion thingie from the nutsucking right is that they are deluded in that they think the entire left has some abhorrance of guns, and there are far more of the left than the right, addionally; the  right likes to start wars and cerebrally armchair general them, fucking them up most heftily, while it is left to the middle and the left to enlist and die, not something the right is generally willing to do.

So, they would have their ass handed to them quite readily, it would be the mother of all humiliations (if thats possible, peering out across this crowd) for them.   


Actually the main problem is this left vs right bullshit. Until people wise up and realize that not everyone on the other side is bad and start working toward solutions instead of blaming the other guy, we are pretty much screwed. No one will accomplish shit.


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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 9:19:57 AM   
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.....Actually the main problem is this left vs right bullshit. Until people wise up and realize that not everyone on the other side is bad and start working toward solutions instead of blaming the other guy, we are pretty much screwed. No one will accomplish shit.



Hear! Hear! to that!

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 10:01:04 AM   
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US has now more than 40 million people living in poverty, estimated 3 million homeless. This is a huge number of people. How much we even hear from or about these people?


Think about the percentages though. Europe has a range of about 10-20% poverty. Rounding to 300 million for the US population, 10% would be 30 million and 20 percent would be 60 million. The AVERAGE European poverty percent is 17%, or 51 million US citizens, a good 11 million north of our current amount.

So by the 40 million in poverty this is little indication of a revolt unless the EU is about to throw off their own shackles (not saying we don't have other problems here)

Also as of 2009 there were an estimated 643,000 homeless in the US, under 200,000 chronically homeless. There are an estimated 3 million homeless in the EU. I believe you confused these statistics. Data for the US provided by the US department of housing and urban development.

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 10:31:32 AM   
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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 10:51:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The trouble with the armed rebellion thingie from the nutsucking right is that they are deluded in that they think the entire left has some abhorrance of guns, and there are far more of the left than the right, addionally; the  right likes to start wars and cerebrally armchair general them, fucking them up most heftily, while it is left to the middle and the left to enlist and die, not something the right is generally willing to do.

So, they would have their ass handed to them quite readily, it would be the mother of all humiliations (if thats possible, peering out across this crowd) for them.   


Actually the main problem is this left vs right bullshit. Until people wise up and realize that not everyone on the other side is bad and start working toward solutions instead of blaming the other guy, we are pretty much screwed. No one will accomplish shit.



Which ignores that there are deep philosophical differences between the two sides, and the right has embraced an ever-increasing confrontational attitude in the the last 30 years culminating in the teabaggers who cannot even find common ground within their own party.

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 10:56:24 AM   
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Which ignores that there are deep philosophical differences between the two sides, and the right has embraced an ever-increasing confrontational attitude in the the last 30 years culminating in the teabaggers who cannot even find common ground within their own party.



Yep. Both sides share some of the responsibility, but by far the majority of the blame goes to the Republican Party. Newt Gingrich. All that needs to be said.


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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 12:17:59 PM   
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Could it happen again? Of course!

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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 12:59:05 PM   
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RE: Could Egypt happen here. - 2/12/2011 1:42:35 PM   
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In all fairness, though, some on the right love to rant about an rebellion armed with gators.


Fixed that for you.

As an outsider I would be interested in learning if only the lunatic fringe goes there, or if it is more widespread.

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