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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 5:51:21 AM   
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the bunny teeth story was ..mm....scary



There needs to be a word that means "so far beyond fucked-up that it's through fucked-up and out the other side".

Coz whatever the word is, that's it :)

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 5:51:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		like "agirl" said, there are relationships where you do things you "dont want to do." that dynamic works well for a lot of people in power exchange relationships. there's such a thing as "consensual nonconsent," where consent on part of the s-type is not required. but that's different from a relationship where a hard limit -- a literal "no go zone" where playing around with that would harm established trust, or the person's sense of self-worth, or whatever thing they're protecting via the hard limit -- is concerned. a lot of times, breaking a hard limit is where people call it quits and walk out, or at least take a break and re-evaluate the relationship.

now it's possible that the story you read was "wank fodder" for horny net geeks (HNGs). wank fodder are stories that are "too good/bad to be true," like "i was used mercilessly by 4 hot dommes in black leather boots and corsets," or sometimes people get into oneupsmanship with their slaveness. "i drank a bottom of tabasco for my M. -- oh yeah, well i drank 15 bottles of tabasco and had a whole tube of icy hot shoved up my ass!"

if it was me in this hypothetical situation, (i don't see anything about a gag in the OP, but O-ring gags often are large enough for a cock to go through, but can prevent you from making intelligible statements) there would be kicking, screaming, biting (since again, no mention of a gag in the OP) -- somebody would be going to the hospital, and i would never associate myself with that Mistress OR group of people again. myotherself's mathematics is spot on, and i agree that the way i read this story here, it comes off as rape and assault. a top i played with a few times last year decided that he didnt have to listen to me saying "stop" because i was supposed to say "red" (i will never understand the people who think safewords should supersede ordinary language -- co-exist WITH it, sure, but supersede it? nope) and so i kicked him in the balls. there was no negotiated "no doesn't mean anything," no power exchange, or expectation that i was submitting to his whims (and i usually get off on being used, seriously), but he was just being an asshole and moving past permission, and that's where i had to draw the line.

going into this OP's hypothetical situation knowing you'd be beat on and passed around is different. having a consensual nonconsent dynamic where something like that could happen is different. the way the OP presents it here, if its even true at all, it sounds more like something that was never negotiated, and dealing with breaking hard limits.

many people get into no-limits relationships with someone who's limits are the same as theirs, so they dont need limits, or with someone who has MORE limits than they do, so their limits become moot. i don't believe there are very many totally no-limits relationships, where someone signs away everything regardless of where the partner's limits are.


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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 5:52:35 AM   
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I think perhaps the person simply said they DIDN'T WANT TO do these things, and I have added the term "limit" onto this

Does it change your thoughts at all if the person had not clarified that these things were limits to him, but instead said that sucking cock was simply something he didn't want to do? Or, perhaps it was consensual non-consensual?

Thank you for your advice. I have to run now but will reply more tonight :)

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 5:54:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		We shift limits all the time...but...they are never broken.
We grow towards it. They seem to disappear..and sometimes...they appear.


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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 6:14:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		if it was a consensual non-consent dynamic, then that makes things a little different. partners still talk about how an activity makes them feel, and the D/M/O can take that into consideration, but it's a dynamic where the Dominant partner doesn't HAVE to, and that's fulfilling for the person. it's about the whole vs. the small parts.
so if you say "i dont' want to do this" but your D says "well i understand that, but we're going to try it and then you can tell me how you felt about it," hopefully that D in prepared to deal with any fallout that may result from it. you CAN take consensual-nonconsent too far, too -- it isn't really a totally limitless relationship either.
but it's a different thing to know that there's a possibility of being used in whatever fashion your Dominant partner might dream up -- a lot of people really go for that type of service.

so the nature of the dynamic between the two people really depends on how you read this scenario.

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 6:34:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt the reality of your scenario, simply because if sucking cock was someone's hard limit, they would most likely get lock jaw at the approach of the first cock - let alone another.

Here's another story, about broken limits:

It was their first time to be intimate together. After several months of dating and attending munches (where she'd met him through a mutual friend) she'd accepted his invitation to spend the night.

The evening started out casual, each bringing out their toys and showing them off to the other, and discussing hard limits, which they seemed to share. Hers was simple, one of her hard limits being no needles. It would have been a good time for him to tell her then, that he couldn't achieve or maintain an erection without needles being used. She found out after she had made her safe-call, and was tied and helpless on his bed. After she'd been beaten by the man who took out his impotent rage out on her, and then tortured her with needles and other objects that pierced her flesh and his, after a sharing of bodily fluids that was also named as a hard limit of hers. Sometime during the course of the night, she experienced a dissociative state, and when she came back to her senses, she found herself untied. He was just getting out of the shower and was on the phone casually discussing his weekend plans with someone. Then he turned to her, and told her coldly that he had a lot to do, and summarily dismissed her as if she were nothing but trash. She drove herself home, in a numb mental fog - walked past her room mates without speaking to them, took a very long shower, that didnt' seem to wash away shame and filth she felt. She didn't speak of it to anyone, not until years later.

I imagine it would be pretty obvious that having your hard limits broken, is not something that inspires a bunch of warm fuzzies. The woman in this story wasn't feeling the romance - to be certain.






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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 7:10:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PurpleCoconut

I freely admit that I am new to the scene, and ignorant in some things, though I am so keen to learn.
I think perhaps the person simply said they DIDN'T WANT TO do these things, and I have added the term "limit" onto this

Does it change your thoughts at all if the person had not clarified that these things were limits to him, but instead said that sucking cock was simply something he didn't want to do? Or, perhaps it was consensual non-consensual?

Thank you for your advice. I have to run now but will reply more tonight :)


It depends what KIND of relationship they have, how long etc, what has been established in it and so on.

The OP said *a while into the relationship*; that could mean anything from two weeks to two years.

The OP didn't say that the submissive was disgruntled; it just outlined a scenario.

There are MANY things that I've done, that, presented just as baldly, make M look like completely uncaring, utter Wanker Master of the Highest Order .........Context and situation is totally relevant before deciding a D is behaving badly.

In SOME circumstances this would be a hideous violation, in others, it'd be a hot tale to dine out on. There are far too many *what ifs* for me to assume the D was somehow violating anything at all.

agirl



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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/12/2011 8:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just wanted to add this: http://www.hungdevils.com/uploads/monthly_06_2008/post-415-1213508919.jpg

I have one, and been used while wearing it ^_^
Protesting isn't really possible, it just kind of comes out a mumble-ish mess that can hardly be understood. And the participants may have easily mistaken it for roleplay if given his mistress' word.
Closing your mouth, biting things inside it, are also impossible. Pushing it out with your tongue can be done if it's not in properly, but that can be fixed by doin the strap tightly, with the side effect of causing moderate constant pain to the sub from being too tight

Really the only issue would be getting it in, in the first place. It's a bit difficult without cooperation from the sub

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 6:34:57 PM   
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I freely admit that I am new to the scene, and ignorant in some things, though I am so keen to learn.
I think perhaps the person simply said they DIDN'T WANT TO do these things, and I have added the term "limit" onto this
Well, then that's a horse of a different color isn't it? I do things that I don't want to do all the time. I listen to my boss at work. I listen to the laws when I'm out in public. And in my relationship, I've chosen to be the submissive partner. That means that I signed up knowing that there were going to be times when I was told to do something I didn't want or like to do. If it's something I feel is unacceptable to me, we discuss it and come to a conclusion together.

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Does it change your thoughts at all if the person had not clarified that these things were limits to him, but instead said that sucking cock was simply something he didn't want to do?
Which if he didn't speak up and call "limit", it's implied consent.  If you don't say "no", then how is the other person to know.

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 8:36:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		having my boundrys pushed and expanded is one thing but to break my limits would be very hard on me and the one that tried it. i dont have many but there there for a reason folks

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 8:37:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PurpleCoconut

Hey,

I can't remember where I read this story, but I would love some thoughts on it? Or, has anything similar happened to you, and how did you feel after?

Before a slave had met his mistress for the first time, he had said that he didn't want to suck cock!  A while into their relationship, the Mistress and slave went to a party together, a BDSM party.  A little while into the party, the slave was restrained without warning, and chained (to the radiator, if I remember correctly).  The Mistress announced that anyone was welcome to whip and flog the slave, and the slave particularly liked sucking cock.  By the end of the night, the slave had been whipped and flogged quite a bit, but had also been forced to suck 2 cocks, and had cum all over their face.

What are your thoughts about a slaves limits being broken like that?  I'm new to this so I'm not really sure if this is the norm, or not

Any input much appreciated :)


I guess the better question is; would this many felonies count in the three strike law? Jus curious.


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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 8:39:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RapierFugue

There needs to be a word that means "so far beyond fucked-up that it's through fucked-up and out the other side".

Coz whatever the word is, that's it :)



The word is FUBAR. Thanks for playing RF.


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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 8:40:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TotalDiscipline

the bunny teeth story was ..mm....scary



There needs to be a word that means "so far beyond fucked-up that it's through fucked-up and out the other side".

Coz whatever the word is, that's it :)


hey look its the killer rabbit from monty python

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 8:51:20 PM   
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the bunny teeth story was ..mm....scary




Since one of my hard limits is rabbits, thanks a lot for the visual, now I will have bad dreams!

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 9:02:14 PM   
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having my boundrys pushed and expanded is one thing but to break my limits would be very hard on me and the one that tried it. i dont have many but there there for a reason folks


Ditto and well said.

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 9:06:21 PM   
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the bunny teeth story was ..mm....scary




Since one of my hard limits is rabbits, thanks a lot for the visual, now I will have bad dreams!


Hahahahahahaha!!! I am stealing this for facebook. That is hilarous. Too funny! Red I hope your dreams aren't too bad. . Mwahahaha... 

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 9:33:33 PM   
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Trust and communication are vital in this type of relationship. A slave not cared for and treated in a manner that fullfills their needs will not continue the relationship for long.

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 9:36:23 PM   
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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/13/2011 11:14:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PurpleCoconut

I freely admit that I am new to the scene, and ignorant in some things, though I am so keen to learn.
I think perhaps the person simply said they DIDN'T WANT TO do these things, and I have added the term "limit" onto this

Does it change your thoughts at all if the person had not clarified that these things were limits to him, but instead said that sucking cock was simply something he didn't want to do? Or, perhaps it was consensual non-consensual?

Thank you for your advice. I have to run now but will reply more tonight :)


Well, it all depends on the people involved in the relationship and their feelings. But I'm still not really buying this story. It just sounds too much like an unrealistic fantasy to me.

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RE: Having your limits broken - 2/14/2011 8:34:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PurpleCoconut

I freely admit that I am new to the scene, and ignorant in some things, though I am so keen to learn.
I think perhaps the person simply said they DIDN'T WANT TO do these things, and I have added the term "limit" onto this

Does it change your thoughts at all if the person had not clarified that these things were limits to him, but instead said that sucking cock was simply something he didn't want to do? Or, perhaps it was consensual non-consensual?

Thank you for your advice. I have to run now but will reply more tonight :)


Well, it all depends on the people involved in the relationship and their feelings. But I'm still not really buying this story. It just sounds too much like an unrealistic fantasy to me.


My clue was the care the author took to mention the cum all over the face....just makes the wanking that much sweeter.


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