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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Anecdotes are not evidence. If prophetic dreams and visions happened in the distant past then why aren't they happening now? Show me even one case where someone clearly prophecied an event before it occured.

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Experimental Laboratory Studies
The research group at the Maimonides hospital in New York carried out studies on telepathy and dreaming (Ullman, Krippner & Vaughan, 1977) and two studies on precognitive dreams (Krippner et al., 1971; 1972). Participant in both studies was Malcolm Bessent, an English “sensitive” with a history of reported spontaneous precognitive dreams. After eight sleep laboratory nights with REM awakenings for dream collection, a word from the dream element list of Hall and Van de Castle’s (1966) book was chosen at random. An experimenter created a multi-sensory environment around this word, using items which were directed to visual, auditory, gustatory, olfactory and tactile-kinesthetic inputs to which the subject was exposed. Three independent judges rated each of the eight dream protocols against the eight words/descriptions of the multi-sensory experience. Five out of eight trials were rated correctly (p = .00018; Krippner et al., 1971). The second study with a slightly different design also yielded five hits (p = .0012; Krippner et al., 1972). Among the most impressive hit was the following dream account which was rated with an average agreement of 98.3 % by the three judges:

“Bob Morris does research on animal behavior and more specifically birds.... He’s been doing various research and studies with birds and he’s taken me out to see his sanctuary place where all the birds are kept.... I remember seeing various different kinds of doves. Ring-tailed doves, ordinary doves, Canadian geese...” (Krippner et al., 1972, p. 278, third dream report, post-sleep interview)

The subsequent waking experience consisted of a slide show with various pictures of birds selected at random.

Despite the fact that the above phenomena were studied in an artificial rather than a natural context, the two studies showed positive results. However, both studies used only a single subject and future research is needed therefore to expand these findings.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

A question first. In the stories you share with your family, how many people have heard the one about aunt X dreaming that cousin Y got killed by a train, and it happened at 8:30 the next morning? Or that cousin Y was electrocuted trying to fix an antique model train a week later? Or a whole lot more mundane accounts, but spooky enough that the story made the rounds? Even if you would automatically dismiss such a tale, do you still hear them from time to time?

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A question first. In the stories you share with your family, how many people have heard the one about aunt X dreaming that cousin Y got killed by a train, and it happened at 8:30 the next morning? Or that cousin Y was electrocuted trying to fix an antique model train a week later? Or a whole lot more mundane accounts, but spooky enough that the story made the rounds? Even if you would automatically dismiss such a tale, do you still hear them from time to time?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Rather than going over in tedious detail the failings of this experiment I recommend Hansel's 'The Search for Psychic Power' and Marks 'Psychology of the Psychic.'

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~ FR ~

Google Tech Talks: Science and the Taboo of PSI

K.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

A question first. In the stories you share with your family, how many people have heard the one about aunt X dreaming that cousin Y got killed by a train, and it happened at 8:30 the next morning? Or that cousin Y was electrocuted trying to fix an antique model train a week later? Or a whole lot more mundane accounts, but spooky enough that the story made the rounds? Even if you would automatically dismiss such a tale, do you still hear them from time to time?
*edit to add the link. Whoops!

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Coincidence and happenstance only take us so far, Aylee.

Call me a liar, or crazy, or delusional. This is the Pit of P&R, I've been called worse.

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btw, if windchimes actually thought about it deeply, you are more than likely MORE intuitive than you gives herself credit for (if you were to document the little things that may 'seem' irrelevant at the time, more). Don't forget though, human reasoning gets in the buggered way and mistranslates what we perceive in dreams vs the thoughts and visions while awake).  The 'gift' is trying to decipher the difference in the planned perception your own being/mind/soul is telling you, knowing what is relevant or not and that takes practice, patience and study of your own predictive-positive patterns.  You are a pre-cog of the 'tangible' vs those who predict or presently see events of non-negotiable 'otherly' (perhaps it is only a personal gift) pre-cog.  To test yourself would be to see if your ability would feel or foresee events that effect others.  But, hell, no need.  If that is what you get, it is still 99% more of what others receive, so your system works just fine.  But, if you want to test yourself with practice, do study on it further.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Anecdotes are not evidence. If prophetic dreams and visions happened in the distant past then why aren't they happening now? Show me even one case where someone clearly prophecied an event before it occured.

Well there was Paul the psychic octopus.

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Oh, I've thought about it very deeply throughout my life and credit myself with being very intuitive. I'm so intuitive that I know if I write a big post about how intuitive I thought I really was and its effects on both myself and others around me, I know I'd be raked over the coals, so I just don't talk about it much.

I do keep an open mind and am always open to debunking.