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ORIGINAL: Lashra

I think healthcare is a big issue that needs to be addressed in this country (USA) so many people cannot get healthcare because they don't have insurance. Now addressing the issue of healthcare for women, I honestly think sometimes we are still seen as second class citizens. I refuse to go to male doctors anymore because I had too many misdiagnosis and some were just plain rude with no bedside manner.

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I wish they had a male birth control pill. I'm sure this would cease being a issue, hell the problem then would be global depopulation. As far as womens issues I don't care at all, to tell you the truth, go run to your organizations, and fix it, why not start your own companies.

As far as the current situation with abortion as this is a man/woman issue, I'm completely against abortion except the few percent of cases, were it actually is incest, rape, mutilated baby, or danger to the mother. But who am I to tell a woman she can't pay someone to kill her baby.

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ORIGINAL: Dustyn

And the highlighted portion is the crux of the whole situation.  Should I, who have never met you, have the right to tell your daughter (your in a general sense) that she can't have an abortion?  The only other entity that should have anything to say, in the least, is the fetus, and well, no one has figured out a way to have a chat with the damned thing yet.

Should we tell women that their right to do as they wish with their body is suspended until the fetus is capable of conversing intelligently?

- Dustyn

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I wish they had a male birth control pill. I'm sure this would cease being a issue, hell the problem then would be global depopulation. As far as womens issues I don't care at all, to tell you the truth, go run to your organizations, and fix it, why not start your own companies.

As far as the current situation with abortion as this is a man/woman issue, I'm completely against abortion except the few percent of cases, were it actually is incest, rape, mutilated baby, or danger to the mother. But who am I to tell a woman she can't pay someone to kill her baby.

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I wish they had a male birth control pill. I'm sure this would cease being a issue, hell the problem then would be global depopulation. As far as womens issues I don't care at all, to tell you the truth, go run to your organizations, and fix it, why not start your own companies.

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ORIGINAL: MsMacComb

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I wish they had a male birth control pill. I'm sure this would cease being a issue, hell the problem then would be global depopulation. As far as womens issues I don't care at all, to tell you the truth, go run to your organizations, and fix it, why not start your own companies.

 
They do. Its called a vasectomy.  
As to your second comment and you stating you don't care. Consider that the main issue is that they are cutting funding a care for people like your mother, sister, daughter, wife, girlfriend, grandmother and so forth. You can play hardass all you want but I am pretty sure you would be devasted if you found out that a treatment, a procedure or a medicine that could have saved anyone of the people I mentioned's life but instead due to their being unfair and cheap that persons life was cut short by 5 years, or 25 years, or 50 years.

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The thought of "visitation rights " for rapists or those performing incest (which are rapists too, I know) is horrific. I generally support the pro-life stance when looking at "convenience" abortions, which make up the majority of them... I don't like the idea of abortions in rape/incest situations, but I understand them.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros
This is pretty much my take on the subject, which is that abortion is a piss-poor form of birth control.
At the same time, the pro-life faction continues to prove over and over again that their agenda is not so much anti-abortion as it is anti sex - they oppose to attempts to promote the use of birth control, which is the only realistic way to reduce the incidence of non-emergency abortions, with as much, if not more vigor than they oppose abortion itself.
Opposition to the "morning after" pill is a case in point - the egg may not even become fertilized for up to 48 hours after sex, and yet this is somehow still called "abortion".
Research indicates that the earlier birth control is taught to males, the more likely it is to be used - i.e.,  if you wait until males  are sexually active,  there is little liklihood they will use a condom - and male attitudes are one thing that never seems to be discussed. Peer pressure, date rape, alchohol and other forms of coercion are likely suspects in the bulk of non-emergency abortions, and these things all tend to be underreported.
Abstinence programs were heavily promoted a few years ago, until it was revealed that they were no more effective against teen pregnency rates than birth control classes - consider the psychology at work here.
Peer pressure, hormones, and lack of adult supervision - hours worked have increased steadily as compensation levels have dropped over the last Twenty years - all conspire to create opportunities for sexual activity. Not that things were any different in "the good old days" - it would be very interesting to contrast marriage and first child birth certificates since the turn of the century, I suspect that one would find a less than 9 month gap at least 50% of the time.
The only way to reduce unwanted pregnency is to promote birth control, and to do it early enough that it will be effective - just assume that at some point, it's gonna seem "like a good idea", and make sure that when it does, the participants have options.
The choice of whether or not to use birth control is a much easier choice than whether or not to abort, I don't understand why anyone would want deny the former in order to force the latter on anybody.

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You know thats something I wondered about with the new South Dakota law (assuming its upheld). If the mother doesnt want the child, the law says she can't abort, is she in a sense "owned" by the state? If so, are they going to pay for her and the childs living expenses?

There will be "back room" abortions, and there will be many more children given up for adoption. I think alot of people also hope there will be an increase in responsibility and common sense.... And there will be problems and tragedies.
 
I don't have a magic cure-all for any of life's ills, abortion included. But it would help if society/government put a serious effort into sex education and birth control, and if individuals of both sexes would think before acting, meaning keep your fucking pants up and dresses down if you aren't protected, or ready to be a parent emotionally and financially.
 
I don't want to pay to raise your kids, and I don't want to see unborn children killed because the mother and/or father doesn't want them.
 
Solutions, anyone?

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

You realize they don't castrate you when you have a vasectomy, right? It's reversible. A hysterectomy isn't reversible.

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

You realize they don't castrate you when you have a vasectomy, right? It's reversible. A hysterectomy isn't reversible.

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren
My answer was take all you want... we can have spagetti later

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The solution to your problem is to allow the freedom to choose. No it isn't, unfortunately. The unborn child is still being killed.

I don't know that I could ever have an abortion, personally. However, I support ANYONE's right, for any reason, to abort a fetus. It's their choice. It's their body.  I believe there are TWO bodies involved, and one of them dies. Here's a link.... look at the one at 6 weeks... eyes, ribs.... it's not an alligator, or a tree branch... it's a human being.

http://www.realalternatives.org/pregnant/fetaldevelopment.htm

 

If they're going through a program like Planned Parenthood, they're using private funds to have it done. Maybe so, but quite a few people would like to see tax dollars spent on having it done, which makes me furious.

People seem to believe that abortions are a free ride out of Babyville. A woman I know had an abortion...she remembers it with sadness every year. It's something that pulls at you, emotionally. It hurts.There's a reason for the sadness and the hurt. Her child's life was taken.

It isn't a morning after pill, or your annual depo shot. It can be difficult, and sometimes, necessary. As the earlier post I put up showed, the "hard cases" make up about 7% of the 40 million abortions performed in the U.S. since 1973.

After all, would you rather see those babies given up at fire stations Hell Yes...., thrown in the trash-- no, but after they're aborted, I guess that's where they end up anyway....., killed and dumped-- see previous answer....., or shoved into the horrible foster care system.... hmm, death or foster care?

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

The solution to your problem is to allow the freedom to choose.

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

The solution to your problem is to allow the freedom to choose.

I'm all for the right of women to choose, it is after all their body.

However, I really struggle with the idea of abortion used as late contraception, particularly in a society where it isn't necessary. As Level says, there are two people involved and to me, my believing in a woman's right to choose takes any moral responsibility away from me. It's an easy option.

If abortion is fine, why isn't infanticide fine? There seems little difference to me. Inconvenience is inconvenience and why should there be a difference if the child is in the mother's womb or out of it? One of the main problems I can see is that we live in a society where the cult of the individual is paramount. I do think men should be made to take more responsibility and not be allowed to walk away but doing that would infringe on the right of the individual.

Legitamizing abortion as a right is a gross rationalisation of a society that claims on the whole to be humanist. I don't have any answers so I take the easy route but I'm well aware it is one of ignoring an issue rather than facing up to the reality of the situation which is in reality legalised murder. Yep, I realise that might come across as a provocation but in my eyes that is how it is.

I have found myself in this situation not long ago and I realised if the mother so wished she could have an abortion regardless of my feelings. Thankfully she chose to have the child and I am more than happy to make the sacrifices to make sure the mother and my daughter are well cared for and financially stable. Even though for a lot of the time we are 8,000 miles apart, I feel blessed that we made the right choice and didn't take the easy route. I accept it is a bigger burden on the mother than me but I would gladly have the child with me if the mother didn't want her but as soon as the child was born, I could see that was not an option for me, she loved it immediately.