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ORIGINAL: Amaros

You like that, try this one: http://www.slate.com/id/2141183/

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The upcoming National STD Prevention Conference, sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, among other groups, has just been given an unhealthy shot of ideology. The conference was supposed to include a symposium designed to explore how abstinence-only sex education may undermine other efforts to reduce STDs. The papers and panelists had gone through the customary vetting of peer review. But now the symposium has been abruptly retooled to include two proponents of abstinence programs—and to exclude a well-respected detractor. This is bad news, not only because abstinence-only work is scientifically unfounded but also because the switch represents a new level of government intrusion into the peer-review process of a major scientific meeting.

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ORIGINAL: OnyxGoddess

I mean really, a man just doesn't turn into a child abandoning piece of crap overnight. Generally, she just didn't care until it mattered. And men do have to pay child support and such. I know it's not a 100 percent, but it works most of the time, and they are getting stricter. Besides that, don't know what to say. Ask women why they demand all reproductive rights, and that's your answer why the larger share offthe child rearing burden falls on women. Because it's your sole choice if the baby is even born.
 

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Are you aware of a new law that would make it hard for a woman to obtain an abortion without consent of her husband?   And majority of politicians are...MEN.  So the decision to have control of our bodies ISN'T solely ours. 
 
And a man DOES turn into a child abandoning piece of shit overnight.  My daughter's biological father decided he would just up and pull a disappearing act instead of being forthright about what it was he wanted.  He was in law school, very well spoken, bright, intelligent, funny - cream of the crop one might think.  WRONG.  And he didnt' pay child support for her as ordered by the court until the sherrif served him AND then he stopped paying but still demanded parental rights because he was her father.  when he found out he could go to jail for not paying his support he quickly signed over his rights.  I'm one of those people I can't take hormone meds like birthcontrol pills etc.  He knew this and we used condoms.  But he was a tricky little beast that liked to slip them off when we were doing doggy style and this he confessed after I told him i was with child.  Don't mean to get graphic and lewd but you can't say a woman needs to choose a better partner.  Even the brightest and nicest turn out to be pieces of crap if the situation isn't what they want. (Scott Peterson-who knew.  Those suburban kids who had a child and threw it in the garbage...etc etc.)  As one other said...child support stuff ISN't getting stricter.  Ask the mothers trying to make ends meet when daddys leave or don't pay.  If they can't find you they can't make you pay.  And most of these men give out crappy addresses.  Took a year to find one 6'4 220lb asshole with his parent's address and social security number.
 
For kids who go through the system and never get adopted and feel that cold hand of abandonment...i'm not so sure they feel they are worth anything.  Hence why a number of them remain in the system as criminals.  I didn't say all....but quite the few do.  Making it easy to adopt them would be the answer yes...but that has been on the boards for years and years.  Personally, I would rather never to have existed than to exist and know nobody wanted me. 

All I know is I grew up never met my dad until I was thirteen. It didn't even affect me, my mother was prone to violent temper outburst, and is schizophrenic(spelling?). Anyway, was childhood bad, yeah, could it have been worse, probably. But do I think I shouldn't of been born to avoid that. No. My logic on this is pretty simple, I don't believe the unborn should be punished for the mistakes of parents or to avoid pain. There are millions of people walking around today, that experienced loveless childhoods. Is it good that they went through that no. But I do know a person not born will never feel one moment of happiness either, never experience joy.  And why is this? Because the mother didn't want to go through 9 months to give her own child a chance? It's disturbing to me really, that people have this mindset. Personally, I'd take 18 years of hell, to get the chance to be happy, than just be snuffed out. It's sad. I fully realize some women will always side with their personal needs and it is their body. So, realisticly, I'm not even sure I'd change it if I could. But I think it speaks volumes about where this country stands in terms of valuing life. We go on and on about the soldiers in Iraq, but fill dumpsters full of babies. At least a soldier got to feel some joy and happiness at some point in their short life, the aborted never feel anything. Most of which were aborted simply for convenience. Really, I can't even fathom, the logic behind the action.

But I'm not everyone, and people rationalize all kinds of behaviour I couldn't imagine doing, so I'm sure it'll continue.

Total abortions since 1973 in the US -- Estimates from a quick google search range from the lower 30,000,000 range to over 50,000,000.  I believe that's more death than has been inflicted by all US wars combined.

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Heh...

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Teens who take virginity pledges can't be trusted, according to an analysis of follow-up surveys. Findings: 1) 52 percent of pledgers denied a year later that they'd pledged. 2) Among pledgers who later admitted to having sex the year after the pledge, 73 percent denied they'd pledged. 3) Among pledgers who conceded in the first survey that they'd had sex, nearly one in three claimed a year later that they'd never had sex. 4) Pledgers were four times as likely as non-pledgers to recant previous admissions that they'd had sex. Researchers' conclusions: 1) Teens lie. 2) Pledgers lie more. 3) Born-again pledgers (those who pledge after having sex) lie the most. 4) Pledges fail. 5) We have no idea what works or what the truth is, because all this revisionism makes the data worthless. Conservative objection: Stop dishonoring pledgers by questioning whether they honor their pledges. (For the risks of French kissing, click here. For the superiority of intercourse over masturbation, click here. For Human Nature's take on anal sex, click here. For sex with teachers, click here.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2141239/

That article is a gas. Why conservatives don't learn that a full and rounded sex education and talking to teenagers as if they are adults, usually means teenagers have sex later, are more aware of the dangers of pregnancy and STDs and over all are more responsible.

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If someone is Pro-Life... fighting for *all* those whose lives (or potential lives) are at stake... where are the Pro-Life protests outside of death rwo prisons?  Not innocent you say... but many have been proven innocent as they await death.... how many innocent people have we killed?  Sad how the group of cells has more value to Pro-Lifers than many who are legally human.