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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/17/2011 11:44:48 PM   
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Example, the old adage: “a six pack of beer, wife at the mall, kids in school, a computer and . . . another online Dom is born”.

This particular stereotype is often looked down upon by this online BDSM community. They are teased, insulted and regarded as fake when they or their partners post questions or ask for help.

Yet, somewhere at the other end of that online Dom’s webcam is a married and cheating wife, who tied herself up for him. Then they both jerk off in mutual cyber BDSM bliss . . . each feeling quite real about their fantasies. To me, this isn’t real BDSM and they aren't true Doms/subs. To others it is.

The answer to your OP is that there is no measure of true, or genuine and that it is in the eye of the beholder.

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ORIGINAL: waitin4Mrright
is it the amount of time they havein the lifestyle?

Yes, they have to have 39 years in the lifestyle like me.

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Is it the postion they take with the subs and slaves they are with?

Yes, the best and truest position to take with your slave is 'doggy style'.

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It seems like everyone has their own thoughts about what a true "MASTER" "DOM" is...

True Masters have awesome eyewear.

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/18/2011 4:02:04 AM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/18/2011 12:56:24 PM   
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being with a true sub/slave of course

This. I had leanings for years, but once I hit that first dynamic with someone that clicked it was real and immediate and just oh so right.

I am not a perfect person, no one is. Therefore I am not a perfect Master. But I always strive to learn and improve.

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/18/2011 1:58:00 PM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/18/2011 2:13:11 PM   
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Right about then you'll be starting to figure things out. It sadly took me 2.5 years to get there.

If it was just 2.5 years you're lucky. It was 10 between my first screwed up experience and my first long-term complimentary relationship...

Still worth the wait.

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/18/2011 2:22:28 PM   
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If it was just 2.5 years you're lucky.

Yeah well, Ironbear and KnightofMysts took it upon themselves to beat me with logic until I came to my senses.


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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/18/2011 2:53:00 PM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/20/2011 9:41:35 PM   
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I see alleged Doms behaving in ways which undercut their claim to a dominant mindset.  The question must therefore be asked:  If the sub knows no better, does it really matter that their Dom isn't dominant.

I would argue yes.  That there are inherent attributes which are required to successfully execute the role of Dominant partner long-term, primarily because of the psychology of human beings.

However, it is difficult - if not impossible - to objectively evaluate the success of a Dominant partner simply through observation.  The best you can do is to say that certain attributes have been observed to increase the odds of success.  The more of those attributes you observe, the greater the probability of success.

Conversely, other attributes mitigate against the probability of success.

So, in the end, all you have is a subjective evaluation of whether someone is fulfilling the role of a Dominant in a manner which is conducive to the success of the D/s interaction.

Notions of "true" are asinine.  The product of a mindset which sees the world in terms of black and white.  There is simply a sliding scale from success to failure.  And in a world where the very definition of 'success' is subject to debate, any evaluation of whether a given individual exhibits the attributes necessary for success becomes a highly subjective one.

Nonetheless, I would argue that the single primary attribute from which a successful D/s interaction is derived is "strength".  Both mental and physical.

Strength determines an individual's responses to the trials the world will throw at them.  Strength determines their ability to influence the world - and the people in it.  Strength determines their resilience.

In physical terms, women prefer tall men, but they'll take a guy who's strong and can protect them.   In social terms, they're drawn to a guy who brings people into his world whose underlying reality is so strong it dominates those of the people around him.  In mental terms, they like intelligence but will happily submit to a guy who growls at them and makes them wet.

If you seek to master anyone then be strong.


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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/20/2011 9:57:59 PM   
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It's a true partner what makes a true master.

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/21/2011 1:57:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Besides what Dark Steven said, I would add all those things which are the mark of a MAN: Honour, Integrity, Courage, Honesty, Strength of character, A man who will draw the line in the sand for what he believes and defend it to the death if needs be. He has compassion, He is not afraid to admit his mistakes and learn by them. He is willing to and desires to learn as he knows no one person knows all there is to know about Kink and BDSM. He doesn't crusade against those with whom he disagrees. He is happy to stand aside and say this is not my kink.



Heck, take out the gender-specific pronouns, and I'd say that's what makes someone of either sex a good person, whether d-type, s-type, or vanilla. (I took out the teaching/mentoring, because while those are nice, I don't seem them as necessary for being a master/slave/person.)

< Message edited by mbes -- 2/21/2011 1:58:14 PM >

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/21/2011 6:09:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: waitin4Mrright

is it the amount of time they havein the lifestyle? Is it the postion they take with the subs and slaves they are with? It seems like everyone has their own thoughts about what a true "MASTER" "DOM" is...


Own a slave and you're a "true" Master.

Of course that opens the door to hours long debate about the difference between "true" and "good" or other vague concepts. I love Plato but that definitional debate seems quite pointless.

I don't like to imitate other's and care very little about what other's think of me. Being a "true" Master can only be defined by myself and whomever I may own. It is subjective and personal. I like it that way.


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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/21/2011 6:55:07 PM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/22/2011 10:02:05 AM   
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Top quality replies from RS, IB, DS.

And, of course, thanks to Zevar for reminding us all that grammar and the ability to write intelligibly are not essential in order to be a true master!


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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/22/2011 3:05:25 PM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/22/2011 3:29:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know though Crazy, I've been pondering this thread and as much as the input on it has been really good, I think it lacks something.... a certain... I don't know... simplicity.

So in the interests of everyone, I've decided that what makes a "True Master" is me. Anyone who wants to apply for the title, please drop me a line with your kink resume traced back to the olde house of your choice (for authenticity of course). I'll consider it and get back to you on whether you're a true master or not.

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/22/2011 10:38:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

reading and digesting every bit of information at submissivewomensecrets.com =p

haha



Um... the link is broken yew evil fuker! Oh woe is me... back to fakedom again.

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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/23/2011 12:18:59 AM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/23/2011 3:18:52 AM   
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/23/2011 10:04:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crazyml

And, of course, thanks to Zevar for reminding us all that grammar and the ability to write intelligibly are not essential in order to be a true master!


Broken Irish is better than clever English.
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RE: what makes someone a true master? - 2/24/2011 6:59:46 AM   
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