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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/25/2011 2:58:49 PM   
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cow's milk is designed to make a baby cow grow like 500 pounds in a year. it's loaded with stuff that baby cows need, but that humans (particularly adults) really DON'T.


If you want to gain weight, it works a treat.  Bodybuilders swear by the stuff, and there's a good reason for it.  It works.  I do use it, especially around workouts, as the insulinemic properties of the stuff is a lot higher than the glycemic index would make it seem.  


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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/25/2011 10:37:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

my thing with milk is that the majority of non-caucasian people are lactose intolerant.

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ORIGINAL: http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/lactoseintolerance/

*"Lactose intolerance is a common condition that is more likely to occur in adulthood, with a higher incidence in older adults. Some ethnic and racial populations are more affected than others, including African Americans, Hispanic Americans, American Indians, and Asian Americans. The condition is least common among Americans of northern European descent."*


so milk drinking for "health" really only applies to a small percentage of people, but has been forced on everyone, even when it actually makes you sick, and your own genetic disposition is treated more like a disease because it deviates from someone else's biased version of "normal." =p haha
however ALL PEOPLE nearly cease production of enzymes to digest milk after the age of two.
cow's milk is designed to make a baby cow grow like 500 pounds in a year. it's loaded with stuff that baby cows need, but that humans (particularly adults) really DON'T. sure we make "low fat" varieties but so many of the positive aspects in milk can just be found elsewhere.

i discovered my lactose intolerance one terrible, terrible night in 7th grade. =p that said, i love ice cream. and cheese. achilles heel...




I discovered my lactose intolerance at the age of thirty when I was doing an allergy test for the digestion problems and fruit and veg intolerance I had, the result being milk, and salicylic acid, not an allergy, but an intolerance, meaning that I can ingest them, but there comes a point where things go wrong. It also gave me pointers as to where my at that point, lifelong hay fever came from myself being a formula milk sprog from the sixties, milk intolerance. Hay fever now gone completely, the salicylic acid intolerance has gone and I drink loads of milk, I love the stuff, and sometimes I would rather have a pint of milk instead of a pint of ale. Oddly, the hay fever seemed to go at about the same time I started smoking.

Now regards margarine, anything that has to have hydrogen passed through it with a nickel catalyst present to make it edible has just got to be wrong, butter for me, and salted butter at that, seeing as I do not put salt in food or on it, unless it's boiled eggs.

But, it is all about moderation, find out what moderation is for you, and stick with that, as the body lets you know clearly when you have had enough, learn to recognise the signs and listen to your own body. As remember, government guidelines on amounts of food to be ingested are only general, everyone s different, and there are many studies out there on what the recommended daily allowance should be.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/25/2011 11:36:01 PM   
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That is politically incorrect, and true. I've read about reseachers ostricised for coming up with race specific drugs, preventative drugs based partly on statistics. I brought that up here and it went down in flames. It may not be entirely race based, but I think certain tendencies are. What's more very few people can actually trace their bloodline far enough to glean any really meaningful data. Gathering such data now aside from being politically incorrect would also be considered quite invasive.

For example, Europeans, Orientals, Semites and Hispanics have seemed to gravitate to certain dietary trends. These no doubt are the result of preference in taste and texture of food. How did Man find things to eat before the encyclopedias and guides as to what is poisonous and what is nutritious ? There is only one possibility, other than watching each other die.

What I believe has happened is that now science fools the body, or at least the taste buds. Superflavors are invented all the time. In this case I don't think it's malicious per se, but it is fueled by greed. Sell more candy bars, potato chips or some drink more than the other guy. These things sometimes have chemicals in them which should not be even touched, let alone ingested. Some may seem harmless, but in copious quantities would be lethal. But what happens if these poisons are not eliminated by the body ? They deposit somewhere. And more of the same will deposit in the same place wouldn't you think ? Thus a cumulative effect.

They shot me down on the mercury - autism link. I only use one piece of evidence there, ONE family. Normal children with mercury in the hair. ONE autistic sibling WITHOUT mercury in the hair. Statistics are not facts, that is why they are called statistics. They shot me down about aspirin, claiming they proved their case. They did not. The ONLY way to prove that aspirin works is to prove that the headache would not go away by itself. And I can tell you that they do. I've had the occasional headache and do not take aspirin, not for the last 35 years or so. Since I had a headache and it went away I have empirical proof that they do go away without intervention. You would have to prove that all of the about maybe five headaches I've ever had, I still have. Believe me, I don't have any of those headaches. My own Mother used to take aspirin all the time. When she stopped, she found that her headaches went away by themselves as well, and for some reason she gets alot less of them.

They have proven nothing to me, and I doubt they can when it comes to this topic. They don't understand that there are more variables involved than they concieve. My thought process - and my job depend on not only critical analysis, but careful analysis. One wrong move could be a $3,000 error. I must not assume. What's more I must know more about certain aspects of the job than those who designed the equipment.

That is why I don't accept what "they" say. I have proven the manfucturers wrong many times.

But how all this relates to the topic is that they say they test extensively, they say things are safe, they say things are good for you. Then they say other things are bad for you. All the time their vested interest is diametrically opposed to ours. I would be a fool to take their "proof" as proof. So I don't.

They thought they shut me up, they thought they were right, they thought they were superior and I am misguided, stupid or a liar. They have the right to be wrong, and far be it from my charge to interfere with that right.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 4:41:30 AM   
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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 6:01:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

my thing with milk is that the majority of non-caucasian people are lactose intolerant.



Not non-caucasian. Non Northern European. Mediterranean background here and lactose intolerant. I put a little bit in my tea, eat almost no cheese and save my tolerance for a small amount of ice cream.

Re T's complaint about why ham goes off. It's wet. Home cured hams have very low moisture content and were traditionally cooked for hours with wetter foods. If you want to eat it immediately in slices, it's because it already has the water added back in.


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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 7:16:16 AM   
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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:06:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Termy, why is it that no matter what the subject you inevitably try to bring your racist crap in to the discussion? "

Ken, why do you see a bogeyman when none exists. You are worse than the worst conspiracy theorist. It's like people who always see the number thirteen. They have a term for that disorder.

Point - does anyone else whine every fucking time I use a term that depicts any ethnicity at all ? You and who else, out of how many ? How many people read these words and don't read that shit into them ?

ETA :

"Not non-caucasian. Non Northern European."

Why didn't you jump down DesFIP's throat ? The statement is clear that some have "superior" digestive systems. Why didn't you catch that.

I feel so speyshul, to have all this attention.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:15:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Re T's complaint about why ham goes off. It's wet. Home cured hams have very low moisture content and were traditionally cooked for hours with wetter foods. If you want to eat it immediately in slices, it's because it already has the water added back in. "

That's kinda what I was saying. If I buy a ham I should be able to put it out in the garage or whatever. Curing is supposed to be preserving. we ain't gettin what we want, what we pay for.

So in this case, I pay for the water to be taken out, and then I pay (by the pound) for the water that is added back in. They got us coming and going so to speak.




Mods, if it fancies you, rename this thread. Just put the word "rant" at the beginning or the end, because that's sure as hell what it is.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:17:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ignore Ken.   There was nothing wrong with any of the posts in this thread. 

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:20:20 AM   
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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:22:24 AM   
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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:23:29 AM   
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just a pure curiosity question:  if you eat ham, why do you care if a product is no longer Pareve?  just wondering.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 10:21:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		"just a pure curiosity question:  if you eat ham, why do you care if a product is no longer Pareve?  just wondering."

The meaning of the pareve in a religious sense means absolutely nothing to me. It's just that I agree with some of the exclusions, that is ingredients that, if present preclude the pareve. To me it's more like the real seal, which should not be present on cheesefood or fake sour cream, things like that.

The actual meaning in the religious sense of the pareve, I think it made sense at one time. For example no pork. My own Grandmother couldn't tolerate pork. She said "I like pork but it doesn't like me". I don't have that problem, but perhaps enough people did at one time that it was a valid point, but as Chris Rock said in one routine "These people are eating pork and dying, let's tell them God said not to eat it". In that sense, taken with the grain of salt (also mentioned I might add), I believe there is wisdom in the Bible, but it is shrouded by myth and other BS. Like the Quatrains. That guy had some serious insight, but if he could've been specific he would have been labelled a heretic and burned or something. Of course he couldn't be specific, but what do you expect ?

This is all part and parcel of my not "Throwing the baby out with the bathwater". Anything you read needs to be carefully analysed, because it was written for a purpose.

I believe that if one only ate kosher foods, one would eat healthier. Just like I don't want that wax they call cheesefood or the plastic they call margarine. This whole rant is about the difficulty in eating healthy - MY version of healthy. It gets harder all the time. I sent someone up to the store for butter. They came back with "Tastes like butter". I still had no butter, and I didn't use the substitute. It can rot for all I care.

Thing is, we each decide what we are absolutely not going to eat. It grows near impossible to implement that decision. And that is what I am ranting about. We can't trust them.

Campbell's tomato soup, a product that has been successful for at least a half a century ? Why fuck with it ? Well they just lost my business.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 12:09:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok thanks--just was wondering.
For those scracthing their heads--pareve is simply "neutral food" according to the Jewish dietary laws--neither dairy (or containing dairy) nor meat products.  So it leaves me to wonder if Campbell either added a dairy product or a meat product to the tomato soup. All food marked pareve is also kosher--just not all kosher food is pareve.  I do disagree with Term. that eating kosher is healthier--like anything else, it is as healthy as the choices you make. You can eat extremely healthy & kosher--or you can eat some of the truly worst foods out there for your body.  (high fat, high salt, high cholesterol etc.)

Quite a few of the ancient laws regarding kosher foods were "ethical" laws, not health.  Pork and shellfish  fell under health--they were considered "scavenger" animals, and therefore unfit to eat. (there were heaps of laws and specifications what criteria was used)  Dairy and meat separation laws were purely ethicial-- It was considered unethical to consume/cook the calf (or kid) in/with the milk of the mother (cow or goat).

I personally believe that the products get changed because they found a more economical way to produce it--it comes down to fiscal decisions over quality/taste. I've also noticed the quantities packaged are definitely shrinking over the years.  we're paying more...getting less....and poorer quality.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 12:46:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		"It was considered unethical to consume/cook the calf (or kid) in/with the milk of the mother (cow or goat). "

Wanna know why ?

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 1:14:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
I believe that if one only ate kosher foods, one would eat healthier.

Why do You believe eating kosher foods is healthier? Is it just because kosher dietary laws are healthier, or because the kosher labels are more accurate?

Incidently, it was discovered during the Inquisition that Christians often eschewed Christian butchers in favor of Jewish ones, because the meat was better quality, competitively priced, shops were more hygenic, and better stocked. (Food: A Culinary History from Antiquity to the Present, Colombia University Press, p.234)

I don't know that much about kosher certification, but it would be interesting to see whether intensive factory farmed meat is mutually exclusive with the term "kosher" the way it is with "organic".

Thing is, we each decide what we are absolutely not going to eat. It grows near impossible to implement that decision. And that is what I am ranting about. We can't trust them.

Well, that's a good thing to rant about. i still think organic food is Your best bet. (Unless someone can prove that the kosher standards are more rigorous.)


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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 1:15:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"It was considered unethical to consume/cook the calf (or kid) in/with the milk of the mother (cow or goat). "

Wanna know why ?


Incest taboo.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 1:58:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"It was considered unethical to consume/cook the calf (or kid) in/with the milk of the mother (cow or goat). "

Wanna know why ?

T^T

I had 12 years of talmud study three days a week.  Pretty sure I got a handle on this one.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 3:41:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I don't know that much about kosher certification,"
 
Really all it means is that it is approved by a Rabbi. But I have some confidence in that the exclusions are enforced. Some of the things that are intolerable to them, are also intolerable to me.

But the process in and of itself has nothing to do with health, it has to do with money/faith. It's just that I think a Rabbi will follow the rules, nothing more. The actual process means nothing, they have kosher aluminum foil, laundry soap and who knows what else. Yeah right, and my computer has no cholesterol either. This clove of garlic does not have the real seal either.

In other words certin things are indications that one thing may be better than the other, but it's almost never conclusive. thus the problem. You just can't trust anyone.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 3:44:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		"I had 12 years of talmud study three days a week.  Pretty sure I got a handle on this one. "

Cool, wanna share some of those "secrets" we hear about from time to time ?

^ that refers to misinterpretations

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