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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 5:28:26 PM   
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"I don't know that much about kosher certification,"
 
Really all it means is that it is approved by a Rabbi.

Dude, i know that, just like "organic certification" means that it was approved by the organic board, or whatever. My question is what criteria do they use to certify it? Because i think they do more than just say a prayer, there are some real, measurable standards that it has to meet. i'm asking what the standards are, if anyone knows. And, specifically, are they more or less rigorous than the standards for "organic"?

In other words certin things are indications that one thing may be better than the other, but it's almost never conclusive. thus the problem. You just can't trust anyone.

i get the part about not trusting the labeling. And, frankly, even if things were labeled accurately, i doubt if doctors even know what's good or bad for people.


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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 5:40:20 PM   
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Not long ago there ws a lawsuit with an "organic" farmer. The farmer had the chickens in a coop but they each had their own little porch. I dunno, free range or some shit was in play here, but if organic can mean not covered in gasoline (apparently that's what it means), free range is supposed to mean something more. I would think that it means that the chickens go out and whatever on the ground, eating bugs and rocks and who the fuck knows what. Nice idea, as it would diversify their diet, which should be good for us who eat them or their lil eggies. Never did find out the outcome of that case.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 6:08:42 PM   
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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 6:12:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't think there's anything about "superior" digestive systems, just different ones.
that's quite a leap to make, Termyn8or -- i see you haven't changed much AT ALL.


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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 8:15:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		"i don't think there's anything about "superior" digestive systems, just different ones.
that's quite a leap to make, Termyn8or -- i see you haven't changed much AT ALL. "

They leap, I leap. If I erred by making it seem that it was directed at you I apologize. It was not. And there might be something such as a superior digestive system, who knows ? What would constitute one ? A person who can eat dogshit, dirt and candy and be a world class athelete versus one who is lactose intolerant this and glucose that, sensitive to all kinds of things, breaks out in a rash.

So let's assume that some ARE actually superior in that regard. Should they be regarded as superior or not ?

Sorry this had to go this way, but I have these hecklers. That's all they do is heckle. They look for one keyword and hound me around this place. Now I know how Elvis felt.

Sorry that you felt sucked into it.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 8:25:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Termy- what did you have for dinner?"

Cyanide and arsenic. Well not quite, it was nacho night. My sinister came and we made what is like a super enhanced nachos bel grande on steroids.

You get a plate, throw a small salad on it, lettuce and tomato, then the meat. And then some sour crean, which you then sprinkle with bits of green pepper. Then you pour melted cheeses over it. Then you dip in tortilla chips or whatever and the "dip" is so damn good you don't need anything else. Kicks ass, and this time I didn't even use any hot sauce, I just forgot.

In fact I might just have a bit more. I only had one plate of it. But realy you get salad, meat, dairy, and some carbs but not alot.

So what did you eat ?

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 9:59:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I grew up enjoying hot Campbells Tomato Soup as a  staple in the freezing winter months. Until one day I experimented and made my own using tins of whole pealed tomatoes and fresh basil from my garden. (one day I'll learn to peal tomatoes myself and use the ones I grow). add seasoning and the whole shebang goes through the blender and heated. Just as delicious , no added sugars but evil when served with double thick cream on top and slices of fresh (warm) bread with lashings of salted butter.

Mind you I've stayed away from Campbells Green Pea Soup after watching the Exocist 


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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/26/2011 10:16:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		"(one day I'll learn to peal tomatoes myself and use the ones I grow). "

Piece of cake. Well not literally.

Get a pot of water boiling violently, drop tomatoes in one by one, and only leave them in for a minute at most. When you take them out, squeeze them slightly off center and the skin will break and practically fall off.

Usually the skin is already "cracked" or torn by the time you pull them out of the water. If you see them crack they are ready. We also found that the seeds were annoying and not conducive to good spaghetti sauce, so we sent the slurry though a screen sieve and got rid of them. It probably would've been better to throw them in a grinder and back in the sauce. Maybe the same with the soup.

Those piled up skins can be dried and used for something. They are not the last word in flavor but they might have some nutritional value. We threw them out though.

When you drop the tomatoes in the water, sometimes you'll hear a pop as the skin splits. If you don't want them cooked right now get them out of there. You know how long it takes to cook down tomatoes ? Doing it with water makes it a career.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 7:44:28 AM   
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"just a pure curiosity question:  if you eat ham, why do you care if a product is no longer Pareve?  just wondering."

The meaning of the pareve in a religious sense means absolutely nothing to me. It's just that I agree with some of the exclusions, that is ingredients that, if present preclude the pareve. To me it's more like the real seal, which should not be present on cheesefood or fake sour cream, things like that.

All the term pareve, or parve, means is the products contains no meat or dairy.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 7:53:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"Termy- what did you have for dinner?"

Cyanide and arsenic. Well not quite, it was nacho night. My sinister came and we made what is like a super enhanced nachos bel grande on steroids.

You get a plate, throw a small salad on it, lettuce and tomato, then the meat. And then some sour crean, which you then sprinkle with bits of green pepper. Then you pour melted cheeses over it. Then you dip in tortilla chips or whatever and the "dip" is so damn good you don't need anything else. Kicks ass, and this time I didn't even use any hot sauce, I just forgot.

In fact I might just have a bit more. I only had one plate of it. But realy you get salad, meat, dairy, and some carbs but not alot.

So what did you eat ?

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Ham, potatos, peas, noodles and a salad.  The ham was too salty.  I cant say much- I don't want to lose my cook. --   she hasn't caught on that I prefer a bland diet.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 11:34:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I grew up enjoying hot Campbells Tomato Soup as a  staple in the freezing winter months. Until one day I experimented and made my own using tins of whole pealed tomatoes and fresh basil from my garden. (one day I'll learn to peal tomatoes myself and use the ones I grow). add seasoning and the whole shebang goes through the blender and heated. Just as delicious , no added sugars but evil when served with double thick cream on top and slices of fresh (warm) bread with lashings of salted butter.

Mind you I've stayed away from Campbells Green Pea Soup after watching the Exocist 



Agreed. Once I made fresh tomato soup, the "comfort food" Campbell's went out the window.

As a few people mentioned, I also try to make food from scratch as much as possible. I'm getting better at it, though I still succumb to the occasional loaf of Wonder Bread and box of macaroni and cheese. Guilty pleasures. Looking into getting a mill to grind my own wheatberries to make flour. No idea if I even said that right - LOL -a friend turned me on to the idea when I said that baking with whole wheat flour makes the food too dense for me. Still researching it.

My love eats meat (I don't) that he hunts himself. I make as much from scratch as a single mother with two jobs possibly can, which is less than I would like. You make the changes that you can, where you can. If it's not food, something else will get you. But food...we are lucky to have a choice about what we put into our bodies.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 12:32:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am just sad to know you don't enjoy a grilled cheese sammich, dipped in Campbells tomato soup.  It is most wonderful!

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 5:20:13 PM   
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"I had 12 years of talmud study three days a week.  Pretty sure I got a handle on this one. "

Cool, wanna share some of those "secrets" we hear about from time to time ?

^ that refers to misinterpretations

T^T


I know bait when I see it.  Since you already assume that whatever response I type, you will disagree with....how can you be so sure I don't share what you perceive as misinterpretations...I'm not taking the bait.  Sorry.  If you'd like a religious discussion, feel free to go to the Politics & Religion thread where I'm sure there will be countless others who would love to spew their perspectives on the kashrut laws.  I won't be one of them.

I share your aggravation about vendors changing consumer products into less palatable ones, and am disparaged by the amounts of additives, HFCS, and other unnecessary things placed on our plates.  That's where I'll step off this train.  Enjoy the debate> I'm sure someone else will bite. 






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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 6:08:09 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Hold on here, you see bait ?

Hell that ain't bait, in fact it was a bit rhetorical. Want bait say the word and I'll come up with all the shit I've heard from crackpots about it. I'd be stupid to believe it, and what's more if it really said what the crackpots say it says, it would have been destroyed long ago.

Should I bring the subject up ? Really, some debunking may be in order if you're up to it. But let me warn you, these crackpot misinterpretations are pretty extreme. I can almost visualise the words twisting in their "minds". And the crackpots are Christians supposedly, so I could tear their book up just as well.

An actual debunking would be welcome. Wanna ? What most likely doesn't need debunking is that the book applies to a certain group, and the members only owe loyalty to the group and it's members and noone else. That doesn't put me off, the Torah is full of it. Same old theme, infidels must die, or some shit. Whatever.

However on topic, does the Talmud have anything in it about food  ?

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 6:26:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Termy this is the best tomato soup recipe ever, seriously. You can omit the cognac if you want to, but why?

http://www.food.com/recipe/tomato-cognac-soup-140420

I don't use recipes usually but this is as close to the one I make as there is. it's so good people ask me to make it all the time. Try it, it's fine to tweak it a bit.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 7:09:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		If my 17yr old thinks my home-made tommy soup is glorious then it's child's play, organic to the last, simple and 20 mins in the kitchen for tons of frozen portions.

I don't peel tomatoes, that's half of the fun and the goodness.

It's an arse pain to read labels because they are written in such tiny print that I have to ask passing 20yr olds. I'm not kidding, even with my specs, I need my horrible youths to read sell by dates and general waffle at times.

Boo, boo.....Your pretty label means far less than being able to read what you're selling and what's in it. (that bit was for them)...lol

Oh and while I'm at it , half of the packaging is MORE than irritating! How big do you think my recycling bin IS? I make a solemn promise that the next Portobello mushrooms I buy, I will strip them of their inflated packaging and put them in a blob in my trolley just like I do onions, potatoes and anything else I possibly can. That annoys me more than anything else as I know what's best to eat but I don't want to cart home it's packing.

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RE: Food : Is nothing sacred ? - 2/27/2011 8:16:00 PM   
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