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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 5:01:45 PM   
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Its of interest to note that Obama is currently driving towards normalizing relations with the Castro dictatorship, so while whats in the past may certainly be dredged up (including Carters handing Iran to the radicals on a silver platter) today, now, Obama is sucking up to as you say a "vicious murderous regime".

And now trumps everything else.


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Ah, your usual guilt by association. Doesn't that get tired and boring? Shall I trot out all the vicious murderous regimes supported whole hog by the American right?


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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 5:05:17 PM   
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Ah, your usual guilt by association. Doesn't that get tired and boring? Shall I trot out all the vicious murderous regimes supported whole hog by the American right?



If you can find one that wants to destroy the USA in a World Socialist Revolution, you would have a point.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 6:23:20 PM   
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Bush was the last president to take down a "vicious murderous regime" so, as long as we are keeping score, that should probably count as points in the Conservatives favor.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 6:35:19 PM   
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Bush was the last president to take down a "vicious murderous regime" so, as long as we are keeping score, that should probably count as points in the Conservatives favor.


Except maybe we should ask ourselves why we think it is our right to "take down" these vicious murderous regimes while we happily support other vicious murderous regimes.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 6:47:44 PM   
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We could ask ourselves all manner of things that are pointless and off tangent.

Clinton and Obama supported or continue to support a near identical foreign policy as more more conservative administrations, so your post just doesnt follow.

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Bush was the last president to take down a "vicious murderous regime" so, as long as we are keeping score, that should probably count as points in the Conservatives favor.


Except maybe we should ask ourselves why we think it is our right to "take down" these vicious murderous regimes while we happily support other vicious murderous regimes.



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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 6:59:23 PM   
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Arrogance and greed and self righteousness is why it still goes on.. however its not a partisan matter, its much bigger then the good ol USA
Way to many countries do it, ...its like assigning this to obama and alinsky, when its human ugliness and corruption.
on all sides of the world, and political divide
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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/27/2011 7:06:19 PM   
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Republicans are "man" enough to stay on the job after an election that didn't go their way.


Guess Palin isnt republican enough.

Looks like you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend what the " " meant.


What did the " " mean?

That you were referring only to men?

Does that mean women aren't special for you?

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RE: What Happened To Americans? - 2/27/2011 7:14:54 PM   
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Youre so full of shit but Ill resist temptation and be content to just snicker at you under my breath while I bite my tongue.

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Me? I just posted a fast reply about the entire topic, heck the entire forum from what I read.

See "~FR~" means fast reply, and not replying to anyone specifically.

I don't post much here anymore, because it doesn't make much of a difference, and any decent debate gets lost in the ping pong matches and partisan rhetoric anyway.


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Yeah, some things never change, like this. I tried to keep it clean but you and lucy have to try to make it about me.

Exactly right. Some things, and some people.

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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/27/2011 7:45:22 PM   
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A major difference I see is the use of smoke and mirrors to cover up the flaws in Republican policies. The most concrete example was having Karl Rove, a political operative, playing a governing role in the white house. Instead of trying to solve problems, he was trying to manage perceptions.

I just finished Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman by Jon Krakauer, which offered up a text book example of Republican politics.

Tillman was killed by friendly fire on a mission botched up by both the high command and the battle response of Army Rangers in Tillman's squad. Instead of telling this story straight, the army (under Pentagon and White House influence) issued a story that he died in battle and for his valor would be awarded the Silver Star.

Why the charade? Well, the news of Abu Ghraib had just hit the news wires as had the disastrous attack in Fallujah. Those in command and in the White House did not want any more bad news, so they invented some fictional good news.

This same tactic had been used before at the outset of the IRAQ war when Jessica Lynch was made into a heroic fighter when in fact she never fired a shot at the enemy and was restored back to life in an IRAQI hospital.

Neither false story was an accident -- they were actually deliberate lies made up to change public perceptions.

The Republican apparatus (Roger Ailes, Karl Rove, et. al.) have embraced the politics of perception and emotion -- and have ridden them to political victories -- but the political victories have not translated into good policies of governance. Witness two mismanage wars and an economy steered over a cliff.

The root problem is not the Republican party, its the American people who don't call them out on these lies.

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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/27/2011 7:55:38 PM   
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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/27/2011 8:26:19 PM   
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That’s not to say there is no fiscal mission in the right’s agenda, both nationally and locally — only that the mission has nothing to do with deficit reduction. The real goal is to reward the G.O.P.’s wealthiest patrons by crippling what remains of organized labor, by wrecking the government agencies charged with regulating and policing corporations, and, as always, by rewarding the wealthiest with more tax breaks. The bankrupt moral equation codified in the Bush era — that tax cuts tilted to the highest bracket were a higher priority even than paying for two wars — is now a given. The once-bedrock American values of shared sacrifice and equal economic opportunity have been overrun. Frank Rich

Its hard to understand why these policies have any popular appeal at all.....

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 8:44:46 PM   
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Lots of ways to attack this, of course, but it's an valid syllogism, as far as it goes.

Considering the number of Americans in the military runs about 2% of the population, that's not saying much.  Are all the neocon/conservative officials of the Bush administration who avoided the draft in Vietnam patriotic, or the same chickenhawks in Congress?

Neither of your two points address the logic of the argument I posted, although the "2%" has possibilities, both ways.

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Regarding the video of the mall - you guys seem to forget that the inauguration crowd was about 10 times the size of the Beck crowd.  No difference, eh?  Especially with the difference in weather?

I'm not "you guys", and have not commented on the crowds. 

Or the weather.

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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/27/2011 8:51:55 PM   
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The root problem is not the Republican party, its the American people who don't call them out


You're saying it's not the liars who are the problem, it's the people who fail to detect the lies in time to do anything, and don't want to stop the train because it's moved on?

I have to disagree.   The group that start the lies are the 1st problem.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:09:46 PM   
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However, in this particular discussion, I think one way to determine "which side is more patriotic" might be:


1. One indication of "patriotism" is the willingness to serve in your country's armed forces.

2. The members of the US Armed Forces vote and lean vastly to the conservative side of the house,

3. This is an indication than "conservatives" tend to be more "patriotic" than "non-conservatives".


While many may tend to agree, and it may have been the truth in the past, the last Presidential election showed a major shift.

"Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain's haul," the report said.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/08/obama-tops-in-donations-from-t.html

The Military Times released its annual poll of active-duty service members, and the results showed something virtually unprecedented: a one-year decline of 10 percentage points in the number of military personnel identifying themselves as Republicans. In the 2004 poll, the percentage of military respondents who characterized themselves as Republicans stood at 60%. By the end of 2005, that had dropped to 56%. And by the end of 2006, the percentage of military Republicans plummeted to 46%.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-brooks5jan05,0,5406519.column

http://www.militarytimes.com/projects/polls/2006_main.php

The numbers dont seem to support your argument.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:13:43 PM   
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We could ask ourselves all manner of things that are pointless and off tangent.

Clinton and Obama supported or continue to support a near identical foreign policy as more more conservative administrations, so your post just doesnt follow.



Except for your assumption that my question was meant to be partisan.

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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/28/2011 8:55:42 AM   
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You're saying it's not the liars who are the problem, it's the people who fail to detect the lies in time to do anything, and don't want to stop the train because it's moved on?

I have to disagree. The group that start the lies are the 1st problem.


If liars learn that there are no consequences, we can't rationally expect them to change. The Republican faithful look the other way on their own Party's failings and lies because for them the greater enemy is always the Democrats. This low-bar threshold of accountability has diminished political standards, and I would argue this is a major reason we don't see any Lincolns coming out of the Red States. The charlatans and party ideologues are running the show.


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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/28/2011 10:06:28 AM   
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RE: What Happened To Americans? - 2/28/2011 10:36:54 AM   
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RE: What Happened To Americans? - 2/28/2011 11:17:34 AM   
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"Settle our differences"?

I dont know what the hell youre thinking but it seems to me you need to grow up some. The reason you quit posting here is all on you, I recall the day you embarrassed yourself telling your tall tales and getting caught.

Dont try to lay any of that at my feet, its all on you.

And Ive read plenty of your mad ranting on here, I dont want or need any of it delivered to my inbox, but thanks for the offer anyway.


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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/28/2011 11:33:52 AM   
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Here ya go, straight from yesterdays AP releases - Fidel Castros way of thanking Obowma for licking his shoes:

Cuba intensifies campaign against dissidents

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What Happened To Democrats.


I'm so uterly fucking sick and tired of idiotic conservatives attacking the patriotism of those on the left.

Get this through your thick heads, we are just as patriotic as you are, we just happen to disagree with you on some things.

And I've had it with chickenshit liberals calling themselves as patriotic as conservatives.

Know this, we conservatives have more patriotism in our little pinky that you liberals have in your entire body.

Fuck off.



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