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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 9:36:26 AM   
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Im not talking to him at the moment. Im talking to you. Why didnt you dare him to prove it instead of insisting conservatives are more patriotic? Do you even know what "patriotic" means?


How's this proof? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7y8gEcoqas&feature=related

And if that's not proof enough...go find any video of any Obama campaign rally and any McCain campaign rally and compare what their respective crowds are chanting..."O-BA-MA, O-BA-MA, O-BA-MA" vs "U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A". Case closed.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 9:38:37 AM   
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just be a moderate who has no real opinions.

And sway in the wind.

Jeeez, you're going to ennoble this partisan crap by insulting everyone who doesn't step up to one side or the other and salute? When did it become true that somebody who doesn't agree with either side has "no real opinions"? Do you really think there are only two sides to everything?

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 9:41:36 AM   
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Id like to see dk explain Michelle Obamas statement that she wasnt proud of her country until her ol man was elected president, if he expects anyone to believe that Liberals are really as patriotic and proud to be Americans as Conservatives are.

Especially because Michelle Obamas attitude seems very prevelant among Dems to me.


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Prove conservatives are more patriotic than liberals. I dare you to even attempt it.

I dare you to dare DomKen to prove liberals are just as patriotic as conservatives. He went there before I did.


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RE: What Happened To Americans? - 2/27/2011 10:02:56 AM   
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Some things never change, eh?

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:10:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		so michelle obama saying that(for whatever reason she felt she had three years ag, means dems are unpatriotic

HAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH
simply nothing else to say, except
do you truly believe yourself?



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RE: What Happened To Americans? - 2/27/2011 10:29:49 AM   
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Yeah, some things never change, like this. I tried to keep it clean but you and lucy have to try to make it about me.

Exactly right. Some things, and some people.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:37:34 AM   
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Somebody please remind me why Im supposed to be reverent towards leftists

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so michelle obama saying that(for whatever reason she felt she had three years ag, means dems are unpatriotic

HAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH
simply nothing else to say, except
do you truly believe yourself?




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RE: What Happened To Republicans? - 2/27/2011 10:38:55 AM   
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Nope, got it exactly.

You are saying Repulicans will stay around even after losing an election.

Palin lost the VP, then went back to Alaska and quit.

Not republican enough, by your standards.

Nope, you got it all wrong.

I was saying the WI, Ohio, Indiana Dems have all left town after losing the November 2010 election.


And I gave the example that makes your example null and void.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:42:03 AM   
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Your proof of patriotism is the amount of trash left behind?!?!?!?!

Your kidding, right?!?!

Please, tell me this is some joke.

If not, its no wonder why our country is in such a sad state of affairs. Patriotism confused with trash and what is chanted at a rally.


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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:44:04 AM   
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Somebody please remind me why Im supposed to be reverent towards leftists

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so michelle obama saying that(for whatever reason she felt she had three years ag, means dems are unpatriotic

HAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH
simply nothing else to say, except
do you truly believe yourself?




I think you are a joke, not rightists, however you are not worth getting upset about. which is why I can laugh at you so easily
so go ahead and do what you normally do.
yawwwwn



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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:45:55 AM   
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Someone who has half a functioning brain...

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:47:01 AM   
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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 10:57:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am stil waiting on proof... from either side... that conservatives OR liberals are more patriotic than the other.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 11:06:35 AM   
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just be a moderate who has no real opinions.

And sway in the wind.

Jeeez, you're going to ennoble this partisan crap by insulting everyone who doesn't step up to one side or the other and salute? When did it become true that somebody who doesn't agree with either side has "no real opinions"? Do you really think there are only two sides to everything?

K.



No, what I believe is we have a lot of people who think they are morally superior and rising above "the partisan crap" when in fact they are only slightly less partisan.

We have left-leaning and right-leaning moderates, so I guess my question is if they are leaning in one direction what makes them moderate?




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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 11:08:22 AM   
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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 11:18:43 AM   
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I'm so uterly fucking sick and tired of idiotic conservatives attacking the patriotism of those on the left.

Get this through your thick heads, we are just as patriotic as you are, we just happen to disagree with you on some things.

And I've had it with chickenshit liberals calling themselves as patriotic as conservatives.

Know this, we conservatives have more patriotism in our little pinky that you liberals have in your entire body.

Is that so bigot? How is your racism patriotic?

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 11:56:55 AM   
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Prove conservatives are more patriotic than liberals. I dare you to even attempt it.

Of course, no one can "prove" anything about how a majority of people are patriotic or non-patriotic, because the terms themselves are open to a whole bunch of interpretations.

Personally, I think that "both" sides are patriotic, in their own way, although I do think that some of the more leftward leaning people, who specifically champion internationalism a la the UN or who believe that national sovereignty should become an extinct concept can rightly be said to be "less patriotic" due to root causes.

However, in this particular discussion, I think one way to determine "which side is more patriotic" might be:

1. One indication of "patriotism" is the willingness to serve in your country's armed forces.

2.  The members of the US Armed Forces vote and lean vastly to the conservative side of the house,

3.  This is an indication than "conservatives" tend to be more "patriotic" than "non-conservatives".

Lots of ways to attack this, of course, but it's an valid syllogism, as far as it goes.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 12:08:02 PM   
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Does it matter if the lean one way or the other? I would think their positions on issues, just like the candidates, are more important. Or is it more important that some know which way we might lean before the (any) issue is ever considered?


No the issue is the important thing.

My point is that people like to declare themselves non-partisan when they generally support the same sides of those issues.

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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 12:11:21 PM   
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Now, I think Obama has proven himself to very patriotic (and frankley as of now I will be voting for him, as I have said many times I am a national Security republican, and Obama is doing fine by me on those counts).

However in that speech, he was playing to a segement of the American left that is not patriotic.

That thinks Nationalism is bad.

Basically the same set as people who thought Farenheight 911 was a great movie.

Which is a minority of Democrats.


Democrats as a whole are very Patriotic.




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RE: What Happened To Democrats. - 2/27/2011 12:15:09 PM   
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Is it more patriotic to consider onesself a "Citizen of the World" or a Citizen of the USA (or insert your home country here)?


Now, I think Obama has proven himself to very patriotic (and frankley as of now I will be voting for him, as I have said many times I am a national Security republican, and Obama is doing fine by me on those counts).

However in that speech, he was playing to a segement of the American left that is not patriotic.

That thinks Nationalism is bad.

Basically the same set as people who thought Farenheight 911 was a great movie.

Which is a minority of Democrats.


Democrats as a whole are very Patriotic.



Which basically says that any criticism of the country is unpatriotic.

Didn't we get into some trouble with that theory several times?

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