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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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No. I'm just repeating it so the gullible will know it is true when you disappear from this thread. Which you will inevitably do once you fail.

Then all you have to do is agree to the conditions and we'll see where it goes.

"Put your money where your mouth is" comes to mind.

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Describe the device, in detail, and your expected energy input and your expected energy output. You must claim energy in will be less than energy out.

Build the device and submit it to any of the various prizes for this sort of thing and when you lose go away and never mention this silly crap again.

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Describe the device, in detail,

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Describe the device, in detail,

In-case others aren't picking up on clues...as well as Ken. He's backpedaling a bit now.

Now he wants details..before he was outright adamant. He's so caught up in his dogmatic stance that he can't open up his mind to a possibility that I might have an angle he's not thinking of. "Someone has come up with an idea that I haven't thought of? BS! That itself breaks the laws of Ken's physics!

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
I'm hoping you accept....I'll even make you a deal...If I can't build what I'm talking about then I'll never post again other than to say you have won. No new names..I won't leave CM but I won't post on the forum again after my admission of loss.

If I DO win..you have to acknowledge I was correct and you were wrong and will do the same as above...No new names...One post of admission.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of people who'd love to have a chance to get rid of ole Icarys! Here's your chance...If not....Keep quiet.

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No, I want details so as to make sure you don't have an extra source of power you dismiss or fail to include. That is fairly common in the 'free energy' hucksters that you've bought into.

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How do you get the two magnets close enough for repulsion to move them apart? You have to add energy and if you then use that repulsion to generate energy you will get less out than you put in. That is always true.

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Perpetual motion is impossible. Anyone who belives otherwise is a liar or a fool.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

This is fun!

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No, I want details so as to make sure you don't have an extra source of power you dismiss or fail to include. That is fairly common in the 'free energy' hucksters that you've bought into.

No need to trust me...I've already said I'd send it to you for you to inspect. You can look for an "extra power source" yourself.

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How do you get the two magnets close enough for repulsion to move them apart? You have to add energy and if you then use that repulsion to generate energy you will get less out than you put in. That is always true.

You said this and it isn't true..so here we have two seemingly opposing principles, no? You've made another claim below.

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Perpetual motion is impossible. Anyone who belives otherwise is a liar or a fool.

Technically you are correct..there is no "free energy" but there is energy from sources that we don't pay for and just tap into. Because of the cost of building such devices which will extract that energy, it techically can't be labeled "free". I'm personally not going to hook anything to it that gives it power.

Is that more clear for you? As far as details..well those are my secrets. You're gonna have to ante up to see the results.

I'm just another huckster so what are you worried about? All of this is more than likely hubris...I'll probably lose and you'll get to brag about how you ran Icarys off. (Grins)


BTW..You said I needed to place a load on the system and I said I would do that at around the time I also said technically it's going to have a load already just wasn't planning on drawing actual power out of it at that time...but there it is. Make up your mind...The clock is ticking.

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I'll sweeten the pot. just so we're clear on what I meant above. I will add a load that isn't inherent to the mechanical process naturally.

Easier for you now?

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Answer this question or go away, do you claim that you will get more energy output than energy input (from all sources)?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I back my assertions, liar.

You're the one trying to play it coy. Going back over the thread you claim to be building a pendulum device powered by magnetic repulsion. The input energy will be the work needed to place the pendulum in the initial position. It won't run very long. As a matter of fact it probably won't run as long as a normal pendulum will since you are throwing away energy at the end of each cycle by placing the magnet before the expected end of the arc. Therefore you loose some energy in the pendulum when you stop the travel before gravity would. As a matter of fact you would have to constantly add energy to keep the pendulum swings the same length or by constantly adjusting the position fo the magnets.

And just to be clear the only way to get any energy out of this gadget would be through using the oscillation of the magnetic fields, the movement of the magnetic fields through each other, to produce electricty.

But one thing you always carefully avoid is making any positive claim about it actually being a net producer of energy. You've hinted and danced around the subject in a most boring manner but never a positive claim.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I'll accept the bet if you will simply state the goals of the machine, you never have. Until then I'm going to continue making fun of your bad ideas, terrible logic, pathetic scientific knowledge and extreme gullibility.

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You missed you're opportunity, coward.