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BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 2:36:55 PM)

This thread isn't about me. The FukinTroll advice, for example, was generic. It helps to be down to Earth, but it was misplaced. You are all very interested in trying to discredit me. I have to learn to accept that things shall be according to the Will of God. If it is His Will that I unpartnered, then that is the way it is going to be. He really does know better. What is equally bad as being alone is ending up with someone who's no good. It all depends on what He has in mind for me. He wants me here for the time being. You are all missing the point. This thread is about you and what sort of people you are.

You all seem to think that you can just let it all hang out. Me? I've got a dispensation from God. So what's your excuse? You people are obsessed with therapy. It is your excuse for not having to be better people.




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 2:41:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

This month, My husband and I will be celebrating our ninth anniversary. ... I'm really not that surprised that women won't sleep with you.


You are just being elitist here. It doesn't affect you; consequently, you can afford to be smug and superior about it.




stellauk -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 2:43:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

You are denying that life is mysterious.



I've highlighted this because I feel we're starting off somewhere on common ground. But it's for you to find the will and the courage to read through this posting and address in your own words and thoughts all what is written here.

It's the universal principle of time and space. The present and past is reality, that what can be known, and the future is possibility.

You, like everyone else, are relative to both time and space in the Universe. As each day passes, death is accelerating towards you. There's no way of knowing what will happen at death. No way of finding out.

Thing is however, that all what we believe, Christianity, Buddhism, islam, whatever, it won't mean a hill of beans because I doubt it will be anything like the reality.

But we are here in the here and now, today, you are part of this world, you are among people, and like it or not you have to live on these terms.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

None of you seem to understand what truth is.



I think in sixteen pages of this thread we have worked out what the truth is, and the truth is is that you are a very lonely man troubled or plagued by demons in your head.

This is the situation isn't it? These demons in your head? These are the thoughts and voices which are communicating to you that you need to preserve yourself when it's pride, that you are chosen when you are actually being pious, and they are giving you your delusions of divinity.

And further...

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Truth is something you can rely on. You cannot rely on assertions such as this. They are often false. They are only sometimes true. That it is sometimes true doesn't make it true.



You see? These are your words, written by you, coming from your mind.

But actually I don't believe this is actually you, it's the demons, and it's those demons which are driving people away from you, keeping you in your isolation and misery, keeping you in your pain, keeping you in your fears, keeping you in your pride...

..keeping you in the evil which has somehow taken over your mind and soul.

You are trapped within, lonely, frightened, insecure, scared.

There's a French proverb - 'It is easier to lie to others than to stop deceiving yourself.'

And so you have to make up stories and make false claims. Is this not evil? And what is evil, if not good that is twisted and contorted because it feels denied, wronged, denied justice..?

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

The assaults on me have been superficial. Look see, the man with gold, he is wise! So if you are a man with a bitch, surely he is wise too. Your views are materialistic and wishfully so. The primary means by which many of you get sex is by lowering your standards.



See what I mean? You are so focussed on the wrongdoings of others, what you perceive and judge others to be doing wrong, and you see yourself as a victim of all this wrongdoing.

It's those demons again. See how the demons are lying to you? Falsely building you up?

My friend you are not holy, you are not powerful, you haven't even managed to conquer the demons in your head for so many years.

I think you first need to concentrate on saving yourself, saving your own soul and mind, before you think about saving anyone else or anything else.

How many years has this been? And you know the thing is, you remember those years. And another thing is, you are getting older, and closer to death, and there will come a point when you are close to death you can no longer continue living. And you will lie there, and these memories will be coming back to you, every day, every week, every month and every year.

So many opportunities to save yourself, and yet you continued to listen to the demons and believe what they tell you. How much longer? How many more years?

But let me ask you a question. Do you want to be the man with the gold? Do you want to be accepted? Do you want to be loved? I mean really loved, for who you really are?

You are a weak man, vulnerable, and you are hurting. Do you want this to change?

I believe you do. I have faith in you, I really do. Why? You have started to develop your profile.

You have a good mind, I'm sure that within you there is a heart and that you are a good man. I honestly believe that you are worthy of love and being loved.

What's more I also feel that if I reach out and extend my hand to help you, others will too. There are a lot of good people on this website, people who are good, people who are kind, people who are strong, people who are very very supportive.

I believe in such people, just as I believe in you.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

There is little point in me lowering my standards because even then I wouldn't get it. It is easy to demonstrate that materialism is a dead-end. I do not feel inclined to explain it to all of you. It is in fact obvious. It will never give us what we really want or deserve.



This is where your problem lies. There is no standard. Can you not go back through the pages of this thread and see how people are consistently ridiculing you and seeing you for the fool you are presenting yourself to be?

It all comes back to those demons. It's those demons who are telling you to preserve yourself, not to lower your standards, to save yourself because you are holy, you are the Chosen One.

And every time you are listening to those voices, you are holding yourself back from all that what you need, want and deserve.

I have lived a lot in my life, I have met a great many people in my life, some good, some bad, some wicked, some very kind, but you know, all of them were human, and none were resistant enough to defend themselves against unconditional love.

You are no different. You feel the need to be loved, because isn't this is what it's all about at the end of the day? Nobody loves you, you are alone. Right?

Okay, so tell me, do your demons love you? Do these demons make you happy? Does their love replace the love of a good woman? Ah but you see, you love your demons, and you love them even though they keep you from everything you need, everything you desire, even though they have total control of your mind and soul.

And you know what? All you need to do is to let go of that pride, admit that what you have been saying is wrong, swallow your pride and POOF!!! No more demons. Gone. Forever.

You will have saved yourself.

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I am very different from all of you. Who knows, maybe I'm a star child here to assist mankind. It's a lonely job, but someone has got to do it.



Yes you are very different from everyone here. I don't think anyone has given as much of an audience to the demons in their mind as you have. Star child? Yeah right. And when someone challenges that and sees through it, what are you going to become? A Klingon? A Martian?

Elvis Presley perhaps?

I just see you for what you are and represent, a lonely, sad, bitter, weak man who's clinging to the past too much, who has a few delusions.

But you know through all of this, and all of your words I see a man who is intelligent, kind, spiritual, and one if he can just dispel those demons and regain control of his mind and soul might just be able to take on the world and win the heart of his beloved.

So what is it going to be?

More denial, more delusions, and more 'playing Jesus/Buddha' mindgames and more time spent leading a miserable, lonely, unfulfilling existence?

Or are you going to let go of the pride, the delusions, the arrogance, and come back into the real world, become a part of our community, and find the friendship, support, and love that deep down you know you really need?

What is it going to be? Can you save yourself?

i'm not attacking you, but pointing out what I perceive to be the truth. I'm not prepared to dismiss you, but to show compassion and friendship.

Can you do this for yourself? Can you?

We'll see.




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 2:48:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Excuse me?


I think you have a guilty conscience. Why else did you suspect that I was addressing you. I made a generic, but not universal, statement. You were the one who made the glove fit. You think you are a defender of womankind? Are you saying that women are without Sin? Come on.




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 2:59:31 PM)

To reiterate, "This thread isn't about me." Your understanding of how the universe works is flat. It is like you are living in flat land. This sort of thinking appears to be wide spread here. It is hyper-materialistic, yet you can legitimately argue that it is kind of similar to the usual message, but all I need to do is refer back to the Buddhist quote I presented earlier, "Rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation." Don't obsess on me, "Rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher."




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:01:06 PM)

I responded to the post *you* made.  No, I certainly don't represent womankind.  But calling us bitches?  That just pales beyond reason.  And are you saying men are without sin? 






FukinTroll -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:09:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

I responded to the post *you* made.  No, I certainly don't represent womankind.  But calling us bitches?  That just pales beyond reason.  And are you saying men are without sin? 



[Awaiting sum luvin]




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:12:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Are you saying men are without sin?


Certainly not. This does not confer the right of women to abuse men, however. There are a great many female predators. We men have been getting too much bad press and women not nearly enough. Women today are about as twisted and evil as you can get. If the men are bad, it does not excuse you. Today we think in terms of game theory. Put simply, we play games.

If you have known suffering, it is not my intention to belittle you per se.




LadyPact -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:14:59 PM)

Just so everybody is on the same page, here is your original:

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Let me begin by saying that I am a straight Dominant male. I am also one of the most extraordinary individuals who have ever lived. Yet, I am without a soul mate. Few men could ever claim to be my equal. Yet, I know what it is to be lonely and I have been abused by women. What I am saying is that if you are unloved, I too know what it is to be unloved.

The topic of this thread is how to preserve you for that special someone.



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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

This thread isn't about me.

Yeah, you keep saying that, but I'm still not convinced.

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The FukinTroll advice, for example, was generic. It helps to be down to Earth, but it was misplaced.

I'm sure you think it was, but there are sixteen pages worth of folks who seem to think it's bang on.  Just like anything else in life.  Until you admit that you have a problem (your lack of being down to earth) you're not going to get any better.

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You are all very interested in trying to discredit me.

There's nothing to discredit because even though several folks on the thread have asked you to prove what is so special about you, it still hasn't happened.  To "discredit" someone, they have to have some kind of value to begin with.  You're just not any more or less important than anyone else.

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I have to learn to accept that things shall be according to the Will of God. If it is His Will that I unpartnered, then that is the way it is going to be.

Cool!  Since you now accept this possible outcome as the will of God, I very much look forward to you no longer starting threads to bitch about your loneliness, lack of sex, or anything else along those lines.  I am thrilled!

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He really does know better.

I actually happen to agree with this.  I have much more faith in God than I do in men.

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What is equally bad as being alone is ending up with someone who's no good.

I agree with this, too.  Just imagine how many folks are out there who are delusional, mentally imbalanced, or have no grasp of reality.  Scary thought, isn't it?

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It all depends on what He has in mind for me. He wants me here for the time being.

Yep, just like everybody else.  When your time on earth is over, you'll die.

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You are all missing the point. This thread is about you and what sort of people you are.

This is why I quoted your original.  There isn't jack shit about this statement that matches what you wrote in your original post.

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You all seem to think that you can just let it all hang out. Me? I've got a dispensation from God. So what's your excuse?

Well, the hanging out thing is just something I do in My spare time.  This place can be great for some laughs.  Every once in a while, I really enjoy the giggles I get from the amusement.  Call it the sadist in Me.

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You people are obsessed with therapy. It is your excuse for not having to be better people.

Dude, I do think you probably need help.  At the same time, I doubt you're really going to seek any, so that means My give a damn meter on the matter just doesn't register.  I tend to reserve things like pity for those who haven't created their own turmoil.  If you don't think you have any issues, you've removed yourself from the category of folks that I would have sympathy for.  Just from your original post, I am going to assume that 1) you're grown, 2) you're educated, 3) you have the ability to make your own choices, and 4) your physical needs (food, water, shelter, etc) are met.  Not everybody on the planet is that lucky.

I'll tell you what I will do.  On the day that I meet My maker, if I've been wrong about you and God (not you) tells Me that I was wrong, I'll apologize.  When you meet you're maker, you can settle up what's on this thread with him for yourself.




stellauk -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:17:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

To reiterate, "This thread isn't about me." Your understanding of how the universe works is flat. It is like you are living in flat land. This sort of thinking appears to be wide spread here. It is hyper-materialistic, yet you can legitimately argue that it is kind of similar to the usual message, but all I need to do is refer back to the Buddhist quote I presented earlier, "Rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation." Don't obsess on me, "Rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher."


Thank you for your wisdom and insight. I am actually a Buddhist and have been since 1984.

Oh well.




FukinTroll -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:20:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellauk


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

To reiterate, "This thread isn't about me." Your understanding of how the universe works is flat. It is like you are living in flat land. This sort of thinking appears to be wide spread here. It is hyper-materialistic, yet you can legitimately argue that it is kind of similar to the usual message, but all I need to do is refer back to the Buddhist quote I presented earlier, "Rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation." Don't obsess on me, "Rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher."


Thank you for your wisdom and insight. I am actually a Buddhist and have been since 1984.

Oh well.


I saw the stamp on the bottom of stella's foot... it's fer real!




jack8007 -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:24:00 PM)

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carbon freezing. Anyone who's ever seen The Empire Strikes Back knows this


It's carbonite - ROFLMAO!!




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:24:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear
I responded to the post *you* made.  No, I certainly don't represent womankind.  But calling us bitches?  That just pales beyond reason.  And are you saying men are without sin? 

[Awaiting sum luvin]


[sm=bust.gif]     [sm=hearts.gif]   [sm=flash.gif]  There's the luvin Troll hunny!




defiantbadgirl -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:24:15 PM)

If my suspicions are correct and BenevolentM is a narcissist, he may not be capable of change. The brain of a person with NPD doesn't function normally.




jack8007 -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:27:53 PM)

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This web site could give a man erectile dysfunction.


That raises the question of why you are here.




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:27:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear
Are you saying men are without sin?

Certainly not. This does not confer the right of women to abuse men, however. There are a great many female predators. We men have been getting too much bad press and women not nearly enough. Women today are about as twisted and evil as you can get. If the men are bad, it does not excuse you. Today we think in terms of game theory. Put simply, we play games.

If you have known suffering, it is not my intention to belittle you per se.


Then if you think some men aren't twisted and evil?  Bub, you got something else comin to ya.  Been there more times than I can count, done that, in fact wore the t-shirt to shreds.  And I don't play games, it's not who I am. 

As for men, there's a lot of really great ones right here on these boards, just as there are an awful lot of great women.  I've befriended both and wouldn't trade them in for the world.  We may not get to meet in person due to geography, but I do count them as true friends.  As they consider me theirs. 

Annnnnnnnnnd at least I didn't include all men in my statement, it's no wonder you're alone and lonely. 




hlen5 -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:38:34 PM)

I have this mental image of BenevolentM revelling and wallowing in this thread. It's attention that he probably rarely gets. He will not objectively look at his contribution to starting and keeping this thread going.

Everyone would like to be special, at least to one other. There's nothing wrong with that. What makes the difference between loneliness and a satisfying relationship with others is the way one goes about it.




FukinTroll -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 3:44:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear
Are you saying men are without sin?

Certainly not. This does not confer the right of women to abuse men, however. There are a great many female predators. We men have been getting too much bad press and women not nearly enough. Women today are about as twisted and evil as you can get. If the men are bad, it does not excuse you. Today we think in terms of game theory. Put simply, we play games.

If you have known suffering, it is not my intention to belittle you per se.


Then if you think some men aren't twisted and evil?  Bub, you got something else comin to ya.  Been there more times than I can count, done that, in fact wore the t-shirt to shreds.  And I don't play games, it's not who I am. 

As for men, there's a lot of really great ones right here on these boards, just as there are an awful lot of great women.  I've befriended both and wouldn't trade them in for the world.  We may not get to meet in person due to geography, but I do count them as true friends.  As they consider me theirs. 

Annnnnnnnnnd at least I didn't include all men in my statement, it's no wonder you're alone and lonely. 


I finally figured it out! Thank you PoohBear, he is Sol reincarnated. BM, maybe it isn't a woman you need after all; perhaps a winky up tha stinky.




BenevolentM -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 4:02:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

Thank you for your wisdom and insight. I am actually a Buddhist and have been since 1984.


If I were to attempt to construct a formal argument for what makes what you presented to me as flat concerns the notion of completeness. Though you openly acknowledge that life is mysterious, what you presented me does not.

There is this notion in the Buddhist teachings as was pointed in a Wikipedia quote concerning the heroic-minded. You cannot be heroic-minded and not suffer. It is as simple as that. Not all suffering, however, is heroic. It is desirable to minimize non-heroic suffering and not suffering per se.

I'm rather pleased with myself with starting this thread because it is not about me; despite everyone's obsessive interest with "the language" as if I was surrounded by a bunch of attorneys. To quote the Four Reliances, "Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words."




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: A Guide for Dominant Men: How to Preserve Yourself (3/7/2011 4:13:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear
Are you saying men are without sin?

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Women today are about as twisted and evil as you can get.

Then if you think some men aren't twisted and evil?  Bub, you got something else comin to ya.  Been there more times than I can count, done that, in fact wore the t-shirt to shreds.  And I don't play games, it's not who I am. 
<snip>
Annnnnnnnnnd at least I didn't include all men in my statement, it's no wonder you're alone and lonely. 

I finally figured it out! Thank you PoohBear, he is Sol reincarnated. BM, maybe it isn't a woman you need after all; perhaps a winky up tha stinky.

Is that Sol or S.O.L.?  And a winky up tha stinky?  [sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif][sm=rofl.gif]





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