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Louve00 -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 7:45:39 AM)

And Canada is all the better for it, IMO, Lucy.  It is also my opinion television stations like FOX turns out like-minded people like Sanity.  You can bet they ALL worship the channel.  




flcouple2009 -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 7:49:26 AM)

According to your logic conservative speech = lies.

Thank you for clarifying that.




slvemike4u -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 8:26:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Well then, if some say it lost the war for the Democrats then CBS wasn't all that biased towards the left as you mentioned earlier, was it?  Cronkite may have aired his opinions, but never did he claim it as the news.  Do you know the difference between news and opinion, Sanity?
Please see Sanity's new thread.....the answer to your question lies within.
Oh what the fuck,let me save you the time.....Sanity does not,I repeat does not know the difference between opinion and news.Perhaps this is a dangerous byproduct of watching Faux News lo these many years.




mnottertail -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 8:35:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Well then, if some say it lost the war for the Democrats then CBS wasn't all that biased towards the left as you mentioned earlier, was it?  Cronkite may have aired his opinions, but never did he claim it as the news.  Do you know the difference between news and opinion, Sanity?
Please see Sanity's new thread.....the answer to your question lies within.
Oh what the fuck,let me save you the time.....Sanity does not,I repeat does not know the difference between opinion and news.Perhaps this is a dangerous byproduct of watching Faux News lo these many years.


Well, who lost the war for the republicans? Nixon, or is this more of wrinklemeats doings?




slvemike4u -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 9:05:58 AM)

Come on Ron...the war was lost due to a lack of political will to win it.Cronkite was merely opinionating on the "truth" as he saw it at the time.
By the way ...he was right.




DomKen -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 9:12:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Another key point is that Cronkites opinion turned against the Vietnam war, some say that was what lost the war for Democracy there.


That's one of the stupidest things you've ever written here and that is saying a lot.

South Vietnam wasn't a Democracy. And we weren't tryhing to make it one. We were propping up a corrupt dictatorship that had so little support that its own army wouldn't fight for it.




Arpig -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 9:56:14 AM)

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Leftists have to squelch free CONSERVATIVE speech if their failed ideology / religion (government is god) is to have any chance of lasting another election season, and they know that.
So conservatives have to lie to spread their message? Nice of you to finally admit it[:)]




luckydawg -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 10:17:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Jesus!! you are an idiot sometimes...for the LAST TIME, there is nobody in government dictating what is or isn't considered true...they just can't lie if they know its a lie!!! They need to have some sort of proof!!!



I don't know the details, but it seems like someone (if not the state whom?) would have to at some point judge whether the proof is valid.

Or else it would be entirely meaningless, right?


How can the proof/evidence be judged with out a judge?




mnottertail -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 10:19:08 AM)

And Faux Nuze is declining to play at that level of scrutiny and fidelity.




RacerJim -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 10:24:09 AM)

Funny how just one major news & opinion network (Fox) pisses off the minority (the left) so much.




Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 10:54:11 AM)

No its amazing that you miss the point that fox news is known in the outside world as lying their asses off and not trustworthy enough  to be given a broadcast license in your neighbouring country.
Why are you defending the right to have your news tainted with lies, its not like any of you that watch fox can see them and form an untainted POV.





Sanity -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 10:59:01 AM)


My god, theyre apoplectic.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Funny how just one major news & opinion network (Fox) pisses off the minority (the left) so much.




mnottertail -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:01:35 AM)

the only people whos faces are red and assholes swelling seem to be from the right.




Lucylastic -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:05:28 AM)

hahhahahahahhah apoplectic? nah, busting a gut at your attempts to spin and squealing,
you are the funniest, Sanity

LMFAO
joy and happiness  isnt apoplexy by any stretch of the imagination, even yours.





Sanity -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:16:26 AM)

[image]http://blog.bookcoverarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/1984_gray318.jpg[/image]

And censorship is GOOD...

Youve got to hand it to leftists though, they will go to absolutely any length to get their free government cheese.







tazzygirl -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:18:32 AM)

Its good to see you finally admitting your misguided beliefs, Sanity.




luckydawg -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:21:17 AM)

Fox is not part of this story at all....

Just a catchy headline to get the lefties all worked up. and it worked.

Great example of bias in media.


They were not trying to go to Canada. Not at all. They weren't stopped.


Several of you clearly did not read the article and are bleating in ignorance.




mnottertail -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:26:25 AM)

genre qua genre




tazzygirl -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 11:34:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Fox is not part of this story at all....

Just a catchy headline to get the lefties all worked up. and it worked.

Great example of bias in media.


They were not trying to go to Canada. Not at all. They weren't stopped.


Several of you clearly did not read the article and are bleating in ignorance.


Really?

Interestingly enough, this is on the Fox web site...

http://www.foxnews.com/canadians.html

Get FOX News Channel in Canada

The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (or CRTC) invites individuals to file comments concerning the proposed addition of FOX News Channel to the digital lists. Parties that wish to comment should also submit a true copy of their comments to the Canadian sponsor at the following address:

Seems their request is... was.. an ongoing project from 2004.




Arpig -> RE: Fox News Will Not Be Moving Into Canada After All (3/4/2011 12:30:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg
I don't know the details, but it seems like someone (if not the state whom?) would have to at some point judge whether the proof is valid.

Or else it would be entirely meaningless, right?


How can the proof/evidence be judged with out a judge?

Well given that the regulation has never been invoked against any broadcaster, this really is a tempest in a teapot. In addition the CRTC (which administers the regulation in question) has no power to fine or imprison, all it could do would be to deny or revoke a broadcast lisence if the broadcaster had repeatedly refused to comply with the regulations.

Remember, this is not a new law being passed, it is an amendment to an existing law that is not being instituted.

The existing rules prohibit knowingly broadcasting false or misleading news. They proposed regulation would amend that section to read: “any news that the licensee knows is false or misleading and that endangers or is likely to endanger the lives, health or safety of the public." Thus broadening the scope for deliberatly broadcasting false stories, for example broadcasting a story that the stock of one particular company had crashed when it in fact had not would be likely to cause a sell-off which would cause financial harm to many people, under the old regulations this would not be allowed, under the new it would.

Now this all goes back to the case of Ernst Zundel, where the Supreme Court ruled that an individual could not be preosecuted for spreading false information. However, under Canadian law, individual rights do not extend to corproations...they are not individuals. Thus the Supreme Court ruling has no direct baering on the CRTC regulations, however there was a fear that the regulations would not stand up to a court challenge under the Charter of Rights. However, given the above fact regarding corproations rights as opposed to individual rights, it is entirely possible that it would survive such a challenge...we shall have to wait and see.

As it stands now, you can broadcast whatever you want, but if somebody (a listener/viewer) decides that the story is false, they can complain to the CRTC, which will then contact the broadcaster, who has only to show that they did not know it was false at the time it was broadcast, the simplest method would to be to point to the research done before the airing of the story. If the CRTC determined that the broadcaster did indeed know it was false, then there would be no fines, no prison, no criminal charges, rather the CRTC would issue its findings, issue a warning to the broadcaster, and perhaps require a public retraction. If that same broadcaster repeatedly broke the regulation, then when the time comes for its broadcasting lisence to be renewed, the CRTC could refuse to do so. If the CRTC were to do so without sufficient provocation, then the decision would be reviewed by the appropriate Parliamentary commission (the one that suggested making changes in the first place) and either thrown out or confirmed.

As I stated earlier, this regulation has never been invoked in the 20+ years it has been in force, so its not like we have a ministry of truth overseeing our airwaves, its just that up here, a broadcaster has to do a little research (or carefully word their story) to ensure that they are sure they are not lying.

It is interesting, though, that Sanity thinks this is somehow directed at Fox, or the right wing broadcasters, clearly he seems to think that a conservative broadcaster must lie in order to get its message across...sad really. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't have anything to do with Fox (which doesn't broadcast in Canada) or a right-wing viewpoint (in fact the CRTC just approved a lisence for SunTV - a specifically right-wing network), the whole thing was due to a question on the viability of the regulation in light of a supreme court ruling, and the question was put to the CRTC about the time Fox News was founded, so it clearly has nothing to do with trying to keep Fox out of Canada, its just about insuring journalistic integrity.





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