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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:15:45 AM   
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Really? You must be bored.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:16:50 AM   
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Nah, Im amused.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:19:42 AM   
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I would accuse you of being easily amused, but I suppose I could be proven guilty too
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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:26:25 AM   
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Im frequently bored... but rarely amused. However, I am easily irritated.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:57:27 AM   
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suggest you look at the National Firearms Act


so let me elaborate, JLF & anybody else.

Your constitutional right to bear arms is negligible - it's at the pleasure of the government, because it's always been and always will be subject to whatever regulation the government sees fit.    The National Firearms Act was aimed at gangsters using precisely the sort of weapons the NRA is most excited about these days  - assault rifles & other basically military equipment.  Go to LA, and gangbangers will use whatever they can get, including zip guns, and of course the NRA is in the front of the fight for their constitutional right to neighborhood firefights.

Your right to self defense (using a nuke if that's available & appropriate) is common law, it's not constitutional.   It is a defense to crime and a matter of state law.

Weapons are always going to be regulated, and Sharon Angle talking about "2nd amendment remedies" is plain ignorant - she clearly doesn't understand the implications of the Whiskey Rebellion, the Civil War, and she probably never heard of the business plot  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot and I know damn well she's never worked in a battalion aid station.   Talk is cheap when you're a chickenhawk.

If the NRA really believed their line that 'guns don't kill, people do', don't you think that they'd ask for psych evals of every purchaser?  Of course they would.   But that would end up as a practical ban on guns, because the shrinks' notes would all be the same - "applicant argues that gun is same as knife or car or sheet of paper, obviously delusional, recommend application rejected".

So why exactly are people so insistent on their constitutional rights here?   Is there really a threat that legal firearms will protect from?  Or are we talking about cultural frustration with the complexity of a modern world?   If you're scared you can't pay your mortgage, or that your daughter may go off and get an abortion, you always have your gun.   (BTW, when do you suppose was the last time the average joe fam-fired it?)

My suggestion is that it's a cultural diversion.   The NRA is a media creature.   A few hundred dealers make a killing selling problematic equipment that is highly likely to wind up being used illegally, but the real issue in the 2nd amendment debate is that it provides a cultural focus for people who are frustrated and scared by an economy and world beyond their control, and will listen to Koch/GOP/Robertson/etc financed people rant about the UN coming to take their guns.   Instead of listening to people trying to work out how to pay for their health care, they'd rather hug their guns.   And who does that benefit?  do you really think that people get to the top of the food chain without being able to see where the money comes from?

The UN already owns half your ass, and your gun is the last thing they want - that is to say, we can't avoid living in an international world, and your gun is irrelevant.   So a couple hundred flaming jihadists band together, and make us their sock puppets, because we're stupid & easily scared, because we've been listening to the Jesus freaks.

Bin Laden's stated goal was to suck the US into foreign wars that would sap our strength.  Just as he never expected the towers to actually collapse, he probably didn't realize that the US economy was so seriously leveraged as a result of the financial bubble, that the wars and the housing crisis would form a perfect storm to change the course of US history.

And of course, every Republican said, "who could have known?"   Well, of course it turns out they actually DID know, and just ignored it, because they were making more money complaining about BJs in the Oval Office.   And we don't have much choice but deal with them, because we've let them create the machine that we're enslaved to, and nobody except our rapists knows how to run it.

And yes, people persist in asking, "what gun regulation is reasonable?"  instead of, "where is the best place to lynch a Republican investment banker?  Should we do it in Central Park, on TV?  Or should we just put them to sleep with the fishes?"

Yesterday some Republican stopped the House for 45 minutes complaining that the Democrats were dissing Jesus.   Any bets on how many Americans died in that same 45 minutes because of government inability to move a sensible policy?

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 11:12:05 AM   
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and your gun is irrelevant.


The Russians didn't think the guns of the mujahadeen were insignificant. We don't think the guns of the Iraqis are insignificant.

More to the point, there are many studies attesting to the significance criminals place on the guns of homeowners.
And, it's significant, that significance.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 11:13:31 AM   
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's always been and always will be subject to whatever regulation the government sees fit.


Do you somehow post from an alternate universe where handguns are still banned in DC and Chicago?

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 11:16:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: jack8007

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way you do it


Pardon me if I have little patience with people who haven't heard of the internet, and instead want to whinge about welfare mothers.



Ummm.. we all have heard of the internet... and its amusing someone would use whinge instead of whine.


It's really odd using "whinge" being from the states. Tazzy are you thinking of the same person as I am? Check your cmail.


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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 11:26:12 AM   
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I responded, Aynne.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 11:45:49 AM   
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quote:

mujahadeen


Do you analogize your situation to a mujahid?  

Do you believe that the USA will devolve to a 3rd world country in civil war? 

Do you think that you're helping cause this by paranoid hunkering down and refusing to work with other citizens, perhaps because working together is socialistic?  (My experience has been that socialism in the kitchen usually makes women hot, so I'm all in favor of household socialism.  You might try it.)

Where do guerrillas get their guns?  By & large, they get them from foreign patrons, or their adversaries.   If it comes to that, I'm pretty confident I can get whatever ordnance I need from my adversaries.

I sympathize with the person who really needs a weapon for self-defense.   I do not sympathize with paranoids, nor people selling military grade weapons indiscriminately, and I think making this a cultural or political distraction from real problems is a fraud and disservice to our nation.   

Charlton Heston waving a flintlock only shows that he is 200 years late - an M16A1 with US purchased ammo is the 3rd world reality.   You are paying for that ammo, and while there are arguable issues of foreign policy, you should not kid yourself about that.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 11:48:26 AM   
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handguns are still banned in DC


'subject to regulation' is no indicator of prosecutorial discretion.   Every law proceeds in 2 phases - writing down what we think we want, and then budgeting for our priorities.

Life is never as simple as most gunners seem to think.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 12:13:44 PM   
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Do you analogize your situation to a mujahid?  


I offer valid disagreement to your assertion that civilian guns are irrelevant, and you deflect again.
At length.
Brevity. Wit. Try. It.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 12:15:08 PM   
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Life is never as simple as most gunners seem to think.


did you enjoy the contempt of your men, Cap, or was it just one-sided?

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 12:55:34 PM   
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did you enjoy


as you as stupid as you sound - or what?   30 years later, I'm still in touch with many of them.  Before I left, NCOs did things like walk up to me on the parade deck to thank me for putting them thru boot camp.   My regimental CO asked me to withdraw my resignation.

You may be poor & brain-dead, but you're still an asshole.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 12:59:02 PM   
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you deflect again


You're projecting precisely what you're doing.   I think that must be a Teabagger subroutine.

What you mean is, I mention something you hadn't thought of, and you're stumped.    Just because you think you have the answers, and I point out that you don't see all the questions, doesn't mean I'm evasive.   It means you're stupid.   Not my fault, dude.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 1:02:15 PM   
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Brevity


You want brevity?  Sure.   You're an asshole.

You want footnotes?  See my prior explanation, supra.

Anything for my fans.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 1:32:53 PM   
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you will catch on


Everybody can see what's happening.   You're all about style, and you don't care about substance.

As I've said, different strokes for different folks.   Honestly, I've paid too much already for shallow, thoughtless people, and do not mind pissing them off at all.   It's the least I can do.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:52:27 PM   
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least I can do


its the most you can do, as exhibited by your posts.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/6/2011 12:48:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jack8007

You're projecting precisely what you're doing.

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ORIGINAL: jack8007

You're an asshole.



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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/6/2011 1:21:27 PM   
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Brevity


You want brevity?  Sure.   You're an asshole.

You want footnotes?  See my prior explanation, supra.

Anything for my fans.



fans?

dont break your back!


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