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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 3:40:11 AM

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Excuse me

Look at the call of the question, pal.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 4:22:57 AM

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"shall not be infringed". that is a huge no trespass sign!

A few rhetorical questions, if you don't mind.

Let's assume that we all become convinced the constitution has been trashed.   What are you gonna do?

Try to make do? Run over & loot your neighbor's place? Blow your brains out?

And what do you think most other people will do? If you choose one option, how much company do you think you'll have?

So can we agree that the right of people to keep & bear arms (among others) has been infringed, and is going to be infringed on a regular basis?   Because, you know, we need a stable society to manufacture ammo so that we can make war on each other.   That's the way it is.   Guys with automatics have pretty much displaced the spear-chuckers of the world, wouldn't you say?

So what are you going to do when you realize that talking about the constitution as holy writ is not going to save your ass from economics, and that you were fucked long ago when you decided to keep the kids home from school so they could work in the cotton mill?    You gonna get your gun and hold off the ATF for a month, like Koresh?   What if the local chief is as impatient as me, and tells you that you have a half hour to get your trash in the street and come along quietly?   Or more like the LAPD, who don't give you any more warning than the sound of your door caving in?

When are you gonna figure out that you've been sold down the river, and by your own choices?   For that matter, I can sympathize with the Koch Bros thinking there's nothing else you can do with people who are that hard-headed - just feed them the swill they want, as long as they have their pacifiers, they won't be too much trouble.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 5:10:31 AM

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You are so full of questions... yet you have no answers.

Interesting.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 7:06:16 AM

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"shall not be infringed". that is a huge no trespass sign!

A few rhetorical questions, if you don't mind.

Let's assume that we all become convinced the constitution has been trashed.   What are you gonna do?

Try to make do? Run over & loot your neighbor's place? Blow your brains out?

And what do you think most other people will do? If you choose one option, how much company do you think you'll have?

So can we agree that the right of people to keep & bear arms (among others) has been infringed, and is going to be infringed on a regular basis?   Because, you know, we need a stable society to manufacture ammo so that we can make war on each other.   That's the way it is.   Guys with automatics have pretty much displaced the spear-chuckers of the world, wouldn't you say?

So what are you going to do when you realize that talking about the constitution as holy writ is not going to save your ass from economics, and that you were fucked long ago when you decided to keep the kids home from school so they could work in the cotton mill?    You gonna get your gun and hold off the ATF for a month, like Koresh?   What if the local chief is as impatient as me, and tells you that you have a half hour to get your trash in the street and come along quietly?   Or more like the LAPD, who don't give you any more warning than the sound of your door caving in?

When are you gonna figure out that you've been sold down the river, and by your own choices?   For that matter, I can sympathize with the Koch Bros thinking there's nothing else you can do with people who are that hard-headed - just feed them the swill they want, as long as they have their pacifiers, they won't be too much trouble.

Here is alaska's solution

Schaeffer Cox, from Fairbanks, Alaska, one of the participants in Continental Congress 2009, and commander of Alaska’s lawful militia, is speaking to the nation on Monday, September 6, 2010.
While he is considered by many to be “young,” the wisdom he shares has clearly proven to be directly from Americas’ forefathers.

Recently, a man, whose home was surrounded by police, called upon the Alaska militia in Fairbanks, Alaska area for protection. He was afraid of being shot – possibly killed – by the police who surrounded his home.
Schaeffer and some members of the militia showed up at the scene. Schaeffer had the man on the phone, and spoke with the police. A situation that could have ended badly, even deadly, was successfully averted, proving that the militia truly is a resource to be counted on, regardless of the main-stream-media negative reports about militias. Schaeffer will discuss how the Alaska militia grew from a few men around his kitchen table to 3500.

This will be an open call, where questions will be answered by Schaeffer.

Do not miss this opportunity to speak with a true American who is not only passionate about his county and our freedom, but who is sincerely committed to ensuring we all enjoy the blessings that Liberty and Justice for all has to offer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOUqurUgFk

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 8:25:13 AM

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no answers

So?

You don't need me for answers. There's any number of people who have all the answers you could possibly want.

Would it bother you if those answers were so seriously wrong, and acting on them so seriously expensive, that a Magic 8-ball would get us better government?

I suspect that brains are the only evolutionary advantage of humans, and I'm inclined to think we should go with it. That inevitably involves asking a lot of questions. Who knows who may have useful some insight?

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 8:28:04 AM

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Who knows who may have useful some insight?

As you obviously do not.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 8:45:14 AM

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alaska's solution

Alaska is a place where people can go for days without seeing each other.    So it doesn't much matter if they have competing police forces, and if you don't like one, you call another.   Don't like them, you call your in-laws in the state capitol - they're everybody's in-laws.

Granted, that might work in LA too, but with different results - in LA, a major league firefight would be a dead certainty. I'd bet Detroit or Chicago or Miami or New Orleans would wind up about the same way.   And you can't have a few hundred thousand rounds flying around a major metro area without actually hitting something, like a window, or a head, and that can get expensive.

And I don't think that idea would work in Manhattan, at all.   The policemen's unions, you know.

Alaska is a place where you can put a label on something, anything, and people are so glad to see a human that they'll buy anything from you.   But you go to LA or Manhattan, and you're likely to run into somebody who actually knows which Korea we're allied with, and what scientists use fruit flies for.    You get enough people together, and somebody is likely to know WTF they're talking about.   But the only way you're going to get a quorum in Alaska is if you count wildlife.

Different strokes for different folks.   Some people actually look at what's going on, and realize that Jesus probably didn't give the exclusive franchise to everybody that claims one. Some people read the footnotes, and ask who wrote the headlines.

You can go to Alabama, and the only thing that people want to know is that Jesus is your personal savior and best friend.   But you go to Hollywood, and there's always some Satanist or Jew who wants to look at the books.   You go to Washington or New York, and nobody wants to see the books, because insider information already told them who was paid off. Praise Jesus! There it is.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 8:53:34 AM

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you obviously do not

As The Dude said, "that's just your opinion."

And I would add, you're certainly entitled to it.

If questions make you uneasy, nobody's stopping you from just assuming facts.   Not the way I'd do it, but I'm certainly not you. And I'm surely grateful to everybody who wants to leap without looking, because they are a never-ending source of my amusement.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 8:56:16 AM

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They way you do it is to not ask questions... you antagonize. You remind me of someone.

QED

telling in itself.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 8:58:30 AM

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way you do it

Pardon me if I have little patience with people who haven't heard of the internet, and instead want to whinge about welfare mothers.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 9:01:02 AM

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way you do it

Pardon me if I have little patience with people who haven't heard of the internet, and instead want to whinge about welfare mothers.

Ummm.. we all have heard of the internet... and its amusing someone would use whinge instead of whine.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 9:06:26 AM

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QED

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 9:07:09 AM

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LOL... very few posters use that, Master Ron, which was my point...

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 9:09:33 AM

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whinge is def lime. I would have thought that QED was as ubitquious as Alinsky and Appleseed.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 9:11:29 AM

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The meaning.. sure. The use? not so much.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:08:52 AM

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Ummm..

Umm... then that wouldn't apply to you, would it?

What makes you so sure that everybody else has?

Maybe I should have put it another way - that when somebody stops the show because they think they have the answers, that perhaps we're entitled to assume that they've RTFM! That is my beef with the "ignorant-&-proud-of-it", "we-don't-need-no-stinkin-knowledge" Teabaggers, and all their fellow travelers & comrades-in-arms, including their Koch-sucking GOP whore masters.

So maybe you will pardon me for asking questions, eh?

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:10:27 AM

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I didnt say that miller supported the gun control act of 1968

You said:
By the way, both the NFA and the gun control act of 1968 have been upheld by the supreme court in United States vs Miller.
both... have been upheld... by Miller

I haven't really researched (i.e. read the cases) anything about the NFA save Miller, but it was so wrongly cited for so long by so many... and it's badly flawed anyway, imo.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:11:43 AM

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I can pardon you for the questions... not for how you are presenting them.

But thats just me. Eventually, you will catch on to what is happening.

Eventually.

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:12:10 AM

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probably true, certainly deflection/strawman/irrelevant

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RE: What kind of Gun Regulation Makes Sense? - 3/5/2011 10:13:47 AM

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If he got pissed at some yokel, as you suggest, would he then have the right to burn them out?

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