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4u2spoil -> RE: When it comes to sex (5/13/2006 4:54:06 AM)
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Believe it or not I did make it through the entire thread. There are some hilarious and intelligent people on here (not necessarily people containing both qualities, but the mix is entertaining).
If a woman wants anything out of a man besides 2---15 minutes of time wasting---pleasure (I'll give a range here) unfortunately she does have to create a challenge. A woman could have one boob, 2 teeth and 3 eyes and there would be some guy who'd still pitch his tent and service her sexually. Women don't need to prove anything - guys do it for us! I'm too lazy to find the post, but I know at one point nick mentioned not caring what the woman looked like, how old she was, so long as she'd have kinky sex with him. Throw in a personality, above average looks and most women have plenty of opportunities for sex. If you had limitless opportunities for sex, you might get bored and decide to look for other things as well. At the least you'd probably put up some kind of barrier to make it a quality experience.
I think a lot of the games guys complain about are self created. If you go after women looking for romance and some type of relationship, then of course you're going to spend time and effort to get to sex. If you're straightforward (but not vulgar) and approach women looking for sex (and there are women who look for no strings sex), you probably won't waste as much time with games or anything else. But, men want to go for the challenge, or just start thinking with their lower head and don't listen when women tell them that they're not looking for sex only. So, they say "aah, she can't mean that she wants a relationship, she really just wants sex" and start saying things that they think will get them laid, doing things they think will get them laid. Then they bitch and moan about how much it costs to get some. Maybe it's because I work in advertising, but know your demographics! If you're advertising to the wrong audience it will most definitely cost you more. If you're going to be stubborn and write to the women on here who state that they're looking for more than just sex (whether it's service or money), stop bitching about how much it costs to get them interested in sex with you and start approaching women who are interested in sex with you, or slap on the apron and start pushing the vaccum with a smile on your face.
And that's my point to you and nick. I'm sure there are sexually oriented Dommes out there who wouldn't care about you cleaning the house or taking them to dinner. There won't be as many out there as the ones who want service and romance, so be straightforward but still make them feel appreciated. Fussing about the ones looking for more than sex not responding when you're honest about your desire for sex? Well, that's no one's fault but your own.
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
I can understand you not reading all the thread, it is pretty daunting and like many long threads it has a considerable amount of fluff and detours apart from the OP issue.
Am I incredibly hansome? Damn right I am! Er...ok..well let's say I'm not the ugliest person in the world. Have I material assets? I'm not doing too bad. Have I a harem of women fawning over me? I live alone by choice and wouldn't have it any other way. I have two females in my life. The mother of my youngest daughter who is Japanese and lives 8,000 miles away from me in Japan who I see fairly regular, each taking it in turns to visit each other. I have a play partner who is no secret who I have known for 17 year, though we haven't had this relationship for 17 years.
My original point in the thread was that a man has to pay for sex either in cash or kind, meaning that if you don't want to pay with cash you have to pay by playing the game women require it to be played.
As for reducing women to there sexual parts. The difference between a woman I have a platonic relationship with and one I might view as sexually desireable, is her sexual parts. That is not to say I don't have an intellectual and satisfying emotional relationship with the women in my life, of course I do or we wouldn't have anything to do with each other beyond the sex. However, I'm not prepared to completely surrender my freedom for them. They obviously think they get something out of the deal or they wouldn't have anything to do with me.
Now we can coat relationships in sugar coated romance but the bottom line is that both parties barter and when it comes to sex, where a man would give it away for free, a woman appears to need to extract payment of some sort to prove she is of value. I have questioned the value of what a man pays for.
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