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Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:12:56 PM

IntellectualSir

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EDIT : evidently people over read my first post.

So i'll sum it up in two lines to keep it simplified and to remove the un-needed hostility.

What do you find more intolerable or as a Dom/me what have you observed more untolerable - sharp short stinging pains or more thud like pains?
I am curious to see the variety of how many prefer one over the other or both or neither.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:16:53 PM

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Um... Go ahead. Rank order everything, put in in a spreadsheet with weighting factors, ask people to order based on their experience, etc....

Why bother? Give her a safeword and step things up till she uses it. Rinse, repeat.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:19:02 PM

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that's so extremely hard to do. do you know if she likes sting or thud more? whichever one she tolerates the least would go higher up. some by-hand spankings hurt more than paddles, depending on the hands, and the paddle in question. =p
then what materials are the floggers made out of? there are thin bitey rubber ones, and big heavy ones of soft leather -- it's not like you can just say "floggers are always a 5 on the scale."
and whips? you can go from a light tap to full-on blood and gore with those things.

i've experienced all of them, and there's literally no clear way i could list them in any kind of order. i'd have to list every example of every one i've come in contact with, and the person who was wielding them, etc etc.............

how about you just ... assign a toy to a day, and start as lightly as you can and work up. if she says she can't handle it, listen to her. it actually does help to have some idea of what kind of sensation you're giving.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:19:10 PM

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Why bother?

Because i'm curious to know what people find more painful over other things? It's more to do with their type of pain - as mentioned "thud" or "sting" what do most people find more unbearable - i'm asking about the masses here not a hypothetical submissive in my first post !When it comes to introducing pain to a submissive i already plan to do what is suggested by LillyBoPeep :)

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:21:40 PM

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How fucking boring. You make it seem like a job.
How about just winging it and see how it goes.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:23:38 PM

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How fucking boring. You make it seem like a job.
How about just winging it and see how it goes.

Please read my response before posting -_-

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:27:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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How fucking boring. You make it seem like a job.
How about just winging it and see how it goes.

Please read my response before posting -_-

Considering that every single person will have different pain responses...it kind of becomes pointless.
I may love the flogger and hate the cane while someone else would have a completely different reaction.

I think you're over thinking things. But that's just me and supports why I would never be attracted to your kind of dominance.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:29:17 PM

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I'm not sure you will be able to assimilate all of our responses into your list.
None of us have the same pain threshold, and our individual tolerance of pain
isn't always consistent either. For example, there have been times his hand hurt
more than his belt, and times where I would have preferred the flogger over the paddle.

I do wish you both the best of luck though!

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:29:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

How fucking boring. You make it seem like a job.
How about just winging it and see how it goes.

Please read my response before posting -_-

Considering that every single person will have different pain responses...it kind of becomes pointless.
I may love the flogger and hate the cane while someone else would have a completely different reaction.

I think you're over thinking things. But that's just me and supports why I would never be attracted to your kind of dominance.

Its got nothing to do with how i would do my dominance goodness me >.>. How i would do it clearly explained i would do it increments of each type to see how she would respond.

I'm merely asking - other people what kind of pains they find intolerable.

Never mind this thread - seems so hostile here. I'm getting better responses on another forum anyway.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:35:08 PM

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It all depends on the day of the week, what time of the month it is, what factors are going on in my life, am i sick or heathly and whos doing it.

Do I love the person spanking me? Because Ill tolerate a whole hell of a lot more then from a top i met and decided to play with.

The point is there IS no way to judge which hurts the most because each person has a different pain tolerance. I can take any type of pain given from a flogger but very little from a whip.... and thats just on average...

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:35:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

EDIT : evidently people over read my first post.

So i'll sum it up in two lines to keep it simplified and to remove the un-needed hostility.

What do you find more untolerable or as a Dom/me what have you observed more untolerable - sharp short stinging pains or more thud like pains?
I am curious to see the variety of how many prefer one over the other or both or neither.

there was no hostility. You just aren't getting the answers you thought you would.
And it's bad etiquette to edit your OP.

Anywho....your newly edited question is still pointless.
For every one who prefers stingy, there will be one who prefers thuddy.
I still find your methods boring and over thought.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:35:52 PM

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There's a difference between taking pain in increased increments until it is unbearable (which is what you seem to be asking about) and introducing someone to pain through conditioning, until the pain becomes in fact, pleasurable (which is what I prefer and enjoy.)

My question here is, are you actually interested only in threshold pain or in conditioned masochistic responses?

Any of the things you mention - belt, cane, whip, even hand spankings - can be unbearable almost from the first strike, if applied for no other reason than illiciting a pain response.

Any of the things you mentioned, if used in the course of conditioning - and with various other sensations - can be over the top, mind blowingly AWESOME (except whips of course.)

< Message edited by WinsomeDefiance -- 3/7/2011 6:40:11 PM >

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:37:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

There's a difference between taking pain in increased increments until it is unbearable (which is what you seem to be asking about) and introducing someone to pain through conditioning, until the pain becomes in fact, pleasurable (which is what I prefer and enjoy.)

My question here is, are you actually interested only in threshold pain or in conditioning your /s to pain?

Any of the things you mention - belt, cane, whip, even hand spankings - can be unbearable almost from the first strike, if applied for no other reason than illiciting a pain response.

Any of the things you mentioned, if used in the course of conditioning - and with various other sensations - can be over the top, mind blowingly AWESOME (except whips of course.)

I don't have a sub at the moment - so how i apply it is not the theme of the thread but it may have seemed that way. I was asking about what people's thresholds are as i am curious.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:38:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I still find your methods boring and over thought.

Your un-needed opinion on my methods which i have not explained how i do my methods makes you sound hostile my thread has nothing to do with how i apply my dominance to a female submissive.

I thought i made that clear by now ?

WinsomeDefiance has a much more polite reply with which i find insightful, and more educational, and is the kind of answer im looking for. With which im thankful for :)

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:40:37 PM

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Again OP it is completely different for every single person at any given point in time...

Right now Id find no type of pain bearable because Im sick, this weekend i found all types of pain bearable because I wasnt.

Usually a cold start spanking is intolerable for me... But because of the situation and factors of the situation (it was a dear friends birthday spanks) it became more tolerable.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:41:14 PM

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Those floggers made on thin strings of rubber don't hurt at all.

On the other hand the floggers I make out of chenille yarn are diabolical!

Wait. Strike that. Reverse it.

Like everyone else has said: It all depends on the individual.

Aside: You subs don't know the pain we go through to bring you pain. I test all devices on myself first so that I know what it will feel like. The only parts of my body I can reach efficiently are my forearms and calves. Those little rubber whips sting like the dickens.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:41:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I still find your methods boring and over thought.

Your un-needed opinion on my methods which i have not explained how i do my methods makes you sound hostile my thread has nothing to do with how i apply my dominance to a female submissive.

I thought i made that clear by now ?

Actually it does apply. I can tell you that my pain threshhold would be a lot less within your classroom type setting with your mental spresdsheets then it would be if I was enjoying an evening and exploring without feeling as if I was an experiment.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:41:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

Again OP it is completely different for every single person at any given point in time...

Right now Id find no type of pain bearable because Im sick, this weekend i found all types of pain bearable because I wasnt.

Usually a cold start spanking is intolerable for me... But because of the situation and factors of the situation (it was a dear friends birthday spanks) it became more tolerable.

Hmm so would you say your mood and general feeling of the day effects how you tolerate pain on a given day?

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:44:01 PM

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Well, my answer would remain the same.

If someone wields an implement on me - with the intention of illiciting a pain response, they'll get one rather quickly - and I would say my pain tolerance for any single implement (no matter what one you might list - including a feather) would be low.

If someone wields an implement on me - with the skill of someone who knws how to build on conflicting and complimenting sensations - I would say that my pain tolerance can be very high.

It all depends on how the implement is used.

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RE: Introducing Pain to a new sub - 3/7/2011 6:44:11 PM

IntellectualSir

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

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ORIGINAL: IntellectualSir

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968
I still find your methods boring and over thought.

Your un-needed opinion on my methods which i have not explained how i do my methods makes you sound hostile my thread has nothing to do with how i apply my dominance to a female submissive.

I thought i made that clear by now ?

Actually it does apply. I can tell you that my pain threshhold would be a lot less within your classroom type setting with your mental spresdsheets then it would be if I was enjoying an evening and exploring without feeling as if I was an experiment.

Again who said i do classroom spreadsheet type methods, your assuming once agian. Please stop posting in here your not contributing any thing useful.

WinsomeDefiance from reading that - some times i see it as more rather than it being the implement used to deciever your tolerance, but your state of mind to it can fluctuate your pain thresholds/tolerance for a given day?

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