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Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan like T... - 3/11/2011 1:31:42 PM

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Senator Tom Coburn (R, OK) blocked the bill that would have put $1.15 billion dollars available for Haiti that the US pledged after the earthquake in January.

The question is, will it happen again with Japan.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 1:34:34 PM

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Of course it will.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 1:36:20 PM

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I really don't see how they need it, they only need to call in a good chunk of all their money invested abroad...hint...hint...so that they can rebuild infrastructure...this is not good news for us either direction.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 1:52:50 PM

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Exactly. We keep this shit up, we are going to be the ones needing aid.

I don't know much about Colburn, but on this, I'm OK with it. We can't be the world's fucking rescue squad AND be their policemen at the same time. What kind of idiot wants to give OUR money to a country that is actually doing better than we, and that we already rebuilt once ?

Anyone who doesn't understand my logic here - again I refer you to the saga of Horatio Bunce and his exchange with then congressman David Crockett. As loyal to our country as they were, they saw that the money in the treasury was NOT THEIR'S TO GIVE, even here.

Give us what you give the other rich motherfuckers and you don't need SS or socialized medicine. People are so stupid, they don't see that we pay for it anyway, even aid IN THIS COUNTRY. When they didn't take, we didn't have to.

Fukum, and while I'm at it, when was the last time another country helped us ? I think it was the year 1812 wasn't it ? And even they had the balls to say fukum when we wanted to hit Qadaffi a while back.

Know why ? Because they got the brains to make friends instead of buying them. And then IIRC more recently a country flat out refused our aid. What's up with that ? We offer money and they don't take it ? What are the moral or something ?

And how fucking dumb is it to give money to someone you owe anyway, instead of just paying them back, why is it this fucked up government just loves paying interest WITH OUR MONEY.

And the horse the rode in on.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 2:01:30 PM

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American people are free to give what they want and are very generous. Why do we need the government to give money away for us. Its not like they have a great track record of the money they give actually getting to the people who need it.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 2:07:08 PM

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Fuck, they don't even have a good track record of giving money to people they want to have it. Saddam is the perfect example.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 2:47:53 PM

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the money in the treasury was NOT THEIR'S TO GIVE

That depends on confusing a few ideas here - the nation's money is the nation's money, and no individual has the right to block its expenditure.   A better way to express the idea is that government officers have a fiduciary duty to conserve the treasury - for example, by not building things in the middle of the Iraqi desert that nobody wants (except the contractor) knowing that insurgents will just use it to zero their weapons.

So the question is its best use, and whether the intangible payback is worth the tangible expenditure.   You have to spend money to make money - and even business is political, and it's not always wise to appear too cheap. Trust and the speed of transactions improve significantly when people don't count pennies - I'm always telling my bookkeeper not to agonize over amounts that are less than what I pay her, for chrissakes.   Being generous with co-workers usually comes back, and I think the gesture is well worthwhile.   Hell, send the Navy, show the flag.    If the Mexicans for chrissakes can pitch in to help after Katrina, I think it's being very small and shortsighted to fail to show up when people are hurt.

Call it a marketing expense.   Any businessman knows it's worth the cost.   If we can pay farmers not to grow crops, I guess we can pull a few Japanese out of the ocean.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 3:04:48 PM

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Funny thing, after Katrina, quite a few countries offered money (as much as their treasury could afford from some 3rd world countries) emergency personnel, oil, water treatment equipment, pumps, etc.

It is not like the US is the only country to offer aid.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 3:09:50 PM

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Funny thing, after Katrina, quite a few countries offered money (as much as their treasury could afford from some 3rd world countries) emergency personnel, oil, water treatment equipment, pumps, etc.

It is not like the US is the only country to offer aid.

Of which we actually accepted a whopping 5% or so. But at least it wound up in the right place.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 3:12:30 PM

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I need money. Got some ?

Sure, if you're a billionaire and I make my case, maybe you'll cough up for something that you deem worthy, many would. But will you BORROW it ? We are borrowing. We borrowed about ten trillion. We borrowed that because without it we would not be able to sustain our way of life, well the elites' way of life. Regardless, how much damn sense does it make to give away money when you have to pay interest on it ?

And don't tell me it's different money, it's all in the through. We fill it and the pigs feed off of it, you really want them giving it away ?

Put it in perspective, that amount is OVER FIVE PERCENT of the foreign aid to Israel.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 3:30:21 PM

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I doubt it. Japan is a major trading partner & strategic ally...its well being is important to the US

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 3:32:36 PM

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I doubt it. Japan is a major trading partner & strategic ally...its well being is important to the US

Its even more important to us as an example of the perils of runaway debt. Since we have to borrow more to give them aid, its a bit of a Catch-22.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 4:06:18 PM

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American people are free to give what they want and are very generous. Why do we need the government to give money away for us. Its not like they have a great track record of the money they give actually getting to the people who need it.

Yeah the Marshall plan failed completely and all of Western Europe went communist.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 4:06:59 PM

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True dat Willbe, In these days of spiraling debt all the "Rich" countries need to be far more selective with their aid.

Besides Japan is rich enough that it really doesn't need a shit load of government level aid from anybody. Of course we should all do whatever is needed to stabilize that reactor, and the US forces stationed there should be offered to assist in the rescue work... send them the bill later.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 4:20:22 PM

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Senator Tom Coburn (R, OK) blocked the bill that would have put $1.15 billion dollars available for Haiti that the US pledged after the earthquake in January.

The question is, will it happen again with Japan.

I don't mind if they block this...charity starts at home and for the corporation.

Wait, come to think of it, are they required to spend that money here ? If that's the case, then double it...we are here to make some fuck'n money.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 5:17:18 PM

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I see which way this is going. US people are generous, but don't realize a few things, among which is the precarious state of our economy. They don't see it really, metaphorically we are at the edge of a cliff. Falling off the cliff would be default. Want to stay on the upside of the cliff ? Quit shooting that water cannon towards the edge of it.

Now that we got that straight, we have people. One of the things our people do know about is nuclear reactors. I would not be against sending in experts to help - that is if we can. We could send them over, and even those in the field. Why not use a little bit of what my Grandmother used to call elbow grease. Send over some real experts - not suits. And not money.

Sure it might cost a bit, but a million dollars worth of real expertise would go farther than a billion dollars thrown at the problem, to people WE TAUGHT how to grub for money. No shit Sherlock, a shitload of their money is in money now, instead of production.

You've heard the saying "Put your money where your mouth is" right ? I got a new one, "Put your hands where your money is". Seems like something along those lines used to work around here. Wonder why.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 7:19:06 PM

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Funny thing, after Katrina, quite a few countries offered money (as much as their treasury could afford from some 3rd world countries) emergency personnel, oil, water treatment equipment, pumps, etc.

It is not like the US is the only country to offer aid.

Yeah, and I bet real heavy on the "personel!" (Wink, wink.) Those third world countries don't do anything without some expectation of a payout, immigration or foreign aid checks.
"We have a million sturdy men some with 4 th grade educations and their baby- factory wives and girlfriends ready to assist you America, just give us the word!"
As for Haiti fuck'em. The U.S. Taxpayer is not responsable for Haiti or it's people. You can't give *money* to countries like them as it "dissapears" within 72 hours and the next thing you know Swiss Bankers are walking around with shit-eating grins on their faces! Look at that fat pos "Baby Doc" Duvalier and the reported $675 million U.S. Dollars he went to the French Riviera with! *Our stolen money!*
And that pos Hillary Clinton said the other week, "The U.S. has a deep committment to Haiti."
We do? I haven't heard anything about that? Where is she getting that stuff? Madeline Albright must be snickering safe in her position as "not" the worst Sec. of State in history. Hillary is all over the board lately, "no fly zone," "maybe a fly zone", "military intervention," "no military intervention," "Mubarak is our friend, " "Mubarak is not our friend," "Mubarak should resign," "Mubarak should stay until the expiration of his term," "there should be an orderly transitiion of power", Hello Hillary, this is called a "revolution" not a civics class at Yale!
Obama doesn't have control over his own Secy of State! This is what happens when you let lawyers into govt instead of managers!
Wilbur is right, the American People are without a doubt the most generous people on the planet and we'll help out without "the govt!" That's the way it should be done!
What *our* govt can do now is load up about ten large ships with TENTS! Temporary shelter is going to be the immediate and intermediate need along with millions of MRE's and water if that infrastructure is damaged or Navy desalinisation plants.
And they're going to need an incredable amount of LUMBER too so if you have a few extra bucks you'll want to invest in lumber company stocks and other companies that make building supplies! And tanker shipping cos, bulk carriers shipping cos etc. It's a long way to Japan and they'll need lots of ships to haul all that stuff.
And if you're a carpenter or in the other building trades and it's slow here,.......Arigato!

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 7:44:29 PM

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Popeye has a roadmap for turning a buck as a result of the tragedy.....why am I not surprised.
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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 7:58:01 PM

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Apparently the answer to the OP seems to be a yes
At least from the responses so far.

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RE: Will Republicans block humanitarian aid to Japan li... - 3/11/2011 7:59:06 PM

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What an awful place it must be, inside your head.

Actually, it must be an awful mind that can hold up $1.15 billion dollars for humanitarian aid to Haiti just to let people suffer... Oh wait, that is part of the Republican philosophy, kinda like Gov. Brewer in Arizona.

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