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Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 10:13:38 AM   
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Hello A/all,

I was curious if anyone could tell me a bit about being submissive and homeless, whilst being either active in a relationship or in the community. I'm considering moving across country, and probably looking at spending the summer living in my car at least for part of the summer. I did the same this past October, but it was a sudden thing and not planned.

As long as you can keep showered, clean clothes, etc and hopefully find & work a job, is it a big turn-off for people that you live out of your car? Does it affect how people see you in the community much if at all? Etc.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 12:37:15 PM   
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As long as you can keep showered, clean clothes, etc and hopefully find & work a job, is it a big turn-off for people that you live out of your car? Does it affect how people see you in the community much if at all? Etc.


Greetings,

I'll begin by saying I really hope this thread is tongue in cheek. But I'll afford you the benefit of doubt in my response. Having said that...

Never in my entire existence have I ever heard anything like this. I'm uncertain if that suggests there's a lack of creativity on the forums, or merely an omission of chutzpah to posit the obvious. Perhaps it's a bit of both I digress. Assuming that you are in possession of all of the faculties that the Universe has bestowed, I would kindly suggest you consider:

- the current economic climate
- the relative lack of backpacking culture in the US
- the probability that others will believe your way of life is influenced by finances rather than personal choice

Taking these things into consideration, you will probably appeal to the perpetual white knight, his villainous opposite, or the well meaning person that finds your living arrangements to be rather disconcerting. There will be more than a few that cannot look beyond your situation without suspicion. They may readily assume that your interest is largely related to the unfortunate circumstances and believe you're seeking a bailout of some sorts.

When you query about being homeless and submissive, the obvious question that results is where is the other party? I'm uncertain if that is your present situation. As to the second portion of your comment, while community participation is great, many people in a similar setup would probably be focused on more pressing issues in all truth. Like securing a job and a home. And now we've come full circle.

It isn't the fact that your inability to find employment or residential challenges will make you unwelcome. It is the attempt to paint a different picture that veers too far from the truth that's the real caveat. You may have hard time convincing someone why BDSM is so important given your impending lifestyle. Many will feel that your priorities are severely misplaced.

Namaste,

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 12:38:34 PM   
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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 12:40:24 PM   
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It would depend on why you were living in your car.
Just moved across the country and getting on your feet? Not a problem...you can borrow my shower now and then.
You live there because you are of a gypsy mind-set? Not a problem...I envy you your freedom., drop me a line whenever you're in town.
You live like that because you are temporarily down and out? Not a problem, here's a few bucks and drop by for a home cooked meal sometime.
You live like that because you have mental health issues? Not a problem, here's my shrink's number...give him a call.
You live like that because you just can't get off your ass and do something about it? Fuck off.

Would I consider a sub who was living like that? No...get on your feet first, then we'll talk.


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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 12:58:35 PM   
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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 1:02:16 PM   
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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 1:07:01 PM   
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Dear IsaNova
Back when I was just 21, I did just what you're suggesting to do.  I moved cross-country to San Francisco with no plan, no money and contacts and found myself into a couch-surfing street urchin in no time.  I was homeless for 2 weeks--and fortunately, I was cute enough, young enough, and dumb lucky enough to make friends quick and convince completely generous strangers to feed me a meal and let me stay on their floor or couch for the night.  It's how I ended up as full-time houseboy for 3 months, landing in a great flat inhabited by a group of lesbian bikers/dancers/Dommes.  Yes, that's entirely true, and it was every bit as good as you can think it was.

Now, that said... it's a different time in our country....a different economy....and I really don't encourage anyone to do what I did.  Not only is it not responsible, but I put myself in some pretty dicey situations at times.

Maintaining hygiene on the street (or in your car, as it were) is not as easy or glamorous as you might think.  Scoring food was pretty much how I spent most of my time, all the while looking for quick ways to make some money or get any job I could to help me find a room to rent.  I did manage to find a job (as a maid, no less) while I was homeless (also incredibly difficult--I had to borrow a friend's address since I didn't have one of my own) and I credit that to being homeless a very short amount of time, so I appeared a lot more clean cut than my street counterparts.

So here's my personal advice, from someone who's been there.  Focus first on getting a roof over your head, food in your stomach and a source of income. Then worry about being someone's sub.  Unless you want to be a live-in houseboy (er, housegirl)   but I have to caution you that it's a risky world out there.
good luck.
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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 2:40:03 PM   
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please tell me this is a joke and not a serious post....really???

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 2:45:18 PM   
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I agree with the prevailing opinion: find a job, get a place and then think about the romance part of your life.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 2:48:23 PM   
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The home for wayward subbies is under my bridge.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 3:01:55 PM   
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quote:

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The home for wayward subbies is under my bridge.

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you must have a massive bridge by now


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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 3:37:40 PM   
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i wasn't involved with the BDSM community at the time but i spent several years living in my car. i showered at school every day, and no one in my daily life knew i was homeless unless i told them. i lived in a small town and worked in a nearby city. The town i lived was small enough that a lot of people knew i was homeless. Strangers will give you odd looks from time to time, if they know. Nobody at work knew, and i'm sure that, if i had told them, it wouldn't have affected the way they saw me.

My advice would be:

keep a spare keys somewhere you can get to it if you lock yourself out of your car

park in a different place every day.

as much as possible, make the car look (from the outside) like it's not somebody's home

Separate stuff into boxes by what you use if for

If possible, put as much of your stuff into storage as possible, and only keep with you what you actually need; This minimizes the effects if the car gets broken into, and you will drive yourself nuts trying to find anything if you keep too much stuff with you

Consider a summer sublet; i think you will find you end up spending a lot of money on food and movies and stuff just cause you're bored. In the end it may be cheaper to just rent.

Being homeless, even by choice, takes an emotional toll. You will be bored a lot. You will be alone a lot. You will realise that things you did easily, without thinking, before become much harder. Doing laundry. Going to the bathroom. Taking a shower. Getting from point A to point B (i spend a lot of time walking- you would be wise to buy get some good tennis shoes). Cleaning the car. Removing trash. You will probably lose stuff a lot. Having the police wake you up in the middle of the night (they are usually nice). And, during the summer, it will be HOT.

If you end up eating fast food a lot, like i did, that will catch up with you too.

Good luck.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 3:42:28 PM   
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Look, my advice is don't Fukin do it. Internet people are the most fickle fuks you will ever meet. Have a place to go, have the money to go, have a reliable way to go and the means to get away before you go anywhere. If you are going to meet a D, that D will understand that you need:
  • Time.
  • Money
  • Reliable Transportation
  • A good fukin safety net

If this D is worth their salt you will spend a long time online and if you click, you will work together socking back enough cash for a round trip ticket.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 4:05:03 PM   
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I'd have a whole raft of concerns about a homeless submissive. I'd be asking myself what, exactly, I am proposing to take responsibility for. However, there are dozens of answers to those concerns that would be valid in my eyes.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 4:09:00 PM   
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I might consider it a bit fun, IF my car was umm...an RV.

If I knew someone I cared about or was concerned for was homeless, I'd want to find a way to help them and if I felt compelled to help them, I wouldn't feel ethically empowered to have authority OVER them...

A few things to keep in mind (statistics provided by the National Coalition for the Homeless)

•Hate crime and violence against people experiencing homelessness has become widespread. In 2006 alone, the number of attacks against homeless people rose by 65 percent over the prior year.
•Between 1999 and 2007, over 770 violent acts against homeless individuals were documented by advocacy organizations (despite the absence of uniform law enforcement reporting).
•These attacks range from beatings with golf clubs to the setting a man on fire while sleeping. Victims have included men and women, veterans, children as young as four, youth, and elders.
•Between 1999 and 2007, more fatal attacks have been documented against homeless individuals than in all legally-recognized hate crime categories combined. There were 85 homicides classified as legally-defined hate crimes. Over that same period there were 217 deaths as a result of violent acts directed at homeless individuals.


I don't know just how valid the statistics are, but I wouldn't want to be in the position of finding out how dangerous it is out there for the homeless.

(For further information on the public policy recommendations of the National Coalition for the Homeless, contact the NCH public policy staff at [email protected] or 202.462.4822, or visit www.nationalhomeless.org. )

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 5:40:20 PM   
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You cannot be serious, OP, can you?

I doubt that you could work a job if you are homeless and I cannot imagine if someone was homeless they would be concerned about being submissive.

Would it turn people off?

Sane people, yes. Predators, perhaps not.

Think seriously on this course of action.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 5:46:11 PM   
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Hello A/all,

I was curious if anyone could tell me a bit about being submissive and homeless, whilst being either active in a relationship or in the community. I'm considering moving across country, and probably looking at spending the summer living in my car at least for part of the summer. I did the same this past October, but it was a sudden thing and not planned.

As long as you can keep showered, clean clothes, etc and hopefully find & work a job, is it a big turn-off for people that you live out of your car? Does it affect how people see you in the community much if at all? Etc.




I don't know many people who PLAN on being homeless but have known a few people have used facilities such as the YMCA and even truck stops to shower  when they were between places to live and you can always find a local laundry mat to wash your clothes at. Truck stop showers only cost a couple of bucks and you can use them as often as you like. (they are like gym showers)

Would it turn off some people? Perhaps but it personally wouldn't turn me off. (but I'm not typical by any means) I would caution you to be very aware of people who might take this situation to take advantage of you.

I would also urge you to be aware or your surroundings and cautious if you are sleeping in your car!

Good luck!

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 6:37:49 PM   
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I'm writing this as someone who (a) has identified as a submissive (b) has been street homeless and a rough sleeper and (c) someone who has been working with the homeless in various capacities in a night shelter, a temporary night shelter, a day centre and as an outreach worker.

This has included quite a fair few hours spent in ER departments in London hospitals with street homeless Polish migrant workers who also thought the grass was greener on the other side, bought a coach ticket from their home in the sticks somewhere in the back and beyond in Poland and headed for London.

Why Polish migrant workers? I'm one of the few Brits who speak fluent Polish - one of a handful of Brits in a major world city - I've lived in Poland.

Many have come to London without even bothering to learn English.

Please bear in mind you're following a similar logic here.

There's about a thousand or so of them in Central London. Less than half have been the victim of some sort of crime, particularly the ones who drove here, and their cars, together with other items such as cellphones, documents, luggage, clothing and cash were quickly 'redistributed'.

Often not willingly. Fights ensued, bones were broken, and a couple of them are still missing.

Nobody wants to help them. Why? They came here of their own choice. There's further problems when they come into contact with the other homeless, particularly indigenous. There's hostility,. arguments, confrontations and fights.

Oh and another thing, having seen your profile, I am also transgendered. I am actually transitioning, and I was transitioning right the way through all of the above.

Thing is, I am transitioning independently, self-employed, and I was made street homeless not entirely through my own choice. That was in 2005, it's now Spring 2011 and I am still rebuilding my life after being homeless.

And yes, I'm no Barbie doll, I'm just shy of 6ft tall, just shy of 300lbs, I'm effective at splitting up fights between the homeless because the last thing these guys expect is to be manhandled and spoken to by a rather large transgendered woman. It freaks them out. Blows their minds.

I have a nickname in a couple of day centres. Woman with balls. I think its hilarious.

How do I rate your chances of being accepted as a submissive in a relationship in your scenario?

Zero.

How do I rate your chances of being accepted in any sort of relationship in your scenario?

Zero.

How do I rate your chances of getting a job? Practically zero.

Making friends? Possible.

Being discriminated against and ostracized? It's a given.

Being harrassed constantly? Virtually guaranteed. Misunderstood? It's a given.

Being physically attacked? Very likely? A victim of crime? Also very likely.

I would strongly advise you to face up to the situation you are currently in at the moment rather than seeking an escape and running away.

I'd also strongly advise you get professional medical help and support, including a clinical psychologist or psychiatrist to help you through the issues in your head, with your gender identity and also with the way you are living before even considering any changes to your current life.

I'm probably somewhere further down the process of gender transition. You're not going to get anywhere expecting other people to support you in this until you are prepared to own your gender issues completely and accept full and complete responsibility for your transition.

Most people have enough of their own problems and struggles to cope with in life. They don't need your issues and problems on top.

Also please bear in mind that the vast majority of homeless people can go an entire year without anyone having a simple conversation with them. Even longer.

Hardly anybody wants to help them. Bear in mind that this in London includes Veterans from Iraq, British soldiers who have been out on active service, developed issues, and been discharged directly onto the streets. People who have served their country.

And you think people are going to give you a meal ticket because you identify as trans?

Get a grip on reality my friend.

You can take this for what it's worth. But remember at the end of the day you're the one who's got to deal with the consequences.

And I've been there. I didn't have a car, I didn't have sod all, and it started out in Warsaw. I started out being street homeless in knee deep snow and temperatures of minus 20 degrees.

That was pretty much my first month of street homelessness, in Poland, openly trans.

So yes, been there, done it, lived it, and got the T-shirt.

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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 6:48:44 PM   
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Why worry about what people might think? What do you think about it?
When I was 25 I really wanted out of my rut. I got a back pack tent, found an ALCOA camp ground in San Diego and took a bus and enough cash to cover my space for a few months. In that time I got a job, found a place that let me do the cleaning for the deposit, moved in and had the BEST time of my life living on the beach.

If I had a car at the time (I gave it away to a guy who needed one), I would have drove to SD myself and camped in it for a while. If you have enough to join a gym you can have a place to shower, use the bathroom, and even watch tv.



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RE: Homeless Subbies - 3/12/2011 7:15:59 PM   
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The only thing I can add to what others have thoughfully brought up is:
So, here you are, living out of your car... and your car dies.

There goes your home.
Suddenly you have become a street person.
Hopefully you were lucky enough to gather the essential wants and needs before your house gets towed.


Get your head together.

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