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On love - 3/12/2011 11:15:20 AM   
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I am in love. Deeply and lastingly in love.

With who? With every woman I have ever loved. I don't fall out of love...its for good. I don't get along with them...don't talk to any of them but the ex (and probably wouldn't if it weren't for the kids)...but I love and remain in love with them all.

When I hear somebody say "I don't love him/her anymore" all I think is "Because you never did".

What do you all say...is love everlasting...a rock that stands forever, or is it a fleeting thing like the passing of a butterfly.

"Time passes, true love won't fade away
yeah time it passes, but I'll always stay"


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 11:20:04 AM   
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I am with you Arpig. The love doesn't die for me, I just deal with it in a healthier way... generally far from the unhealthy element that was in my life. However, I can honestly say there are quite a few girls I have to stay far away from because in a moment of clarity I found them unhealthy and getting around them again would cloud my vision, get my heart to pounding and I would do something completely stupid and love them with all that have and all I am.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 11:23:09 AM   
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In my (very limited) experience, you are both right.
It can be overpowered by anger or hate.... but it doesn't go away if its real.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 11:24:59 AM   
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I don't view love as the OP states. I do not believe you can still be "deeply and everlastingly in love". If you were, you would still be with that person.

I think you can still feel fondness for past loves and say you still love them, but being in love, is quite different than just loving. You can love an inaminate object or a family member or friend, but there is a deeper, more passionate feeling being in love.

I also think you can be in love with the wrong people and when those people destroy the relationship you had, I don't see how you can honestly say that you are still deeply in love with them.

There is a difference between love dying because of growing apart and then there is love dying because someone hurt you very badly.

As the poster above me said, it can be overpowered by hate or anger, that is my point. You cannot be madly in love with someone if you feel only hate or anger towards them.

If you feel that way, you are holding on to the past feelings you had instead of reality.

And believe me, take it from someone who was madly in love, you can hate the person and it destroys any love you had for them.



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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 11:50:58 AM   
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Love is just a silly way to say lust.

Later on love is another way to say financial security.


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 11:53:11 AM   
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i don't agree with the op. sorry.

i loved my ex and couldn't have loved him any more if a tried. but over the years he chipped away at that love. then he cheated on me and shattered what i had. but i did still love him even then so i took him back like a fool. when i found out he was still seeing her, that was it, it was over. i'm still hurt by that, not because i still love him, but because i did love him so much and i didn't deserve to be treated like that. two years on and i don't feel any love at all for him.

there was a man who asked me to marry him and i should have been with him but there was one thing that stopped me. i was so in love with him and regretted saying no. by the time that thing changed i was already with my ex and had a child. unfortunately he died at 32 and i was beside myself. he had also been one of my greatest friends and i love him just as much now as i ever did.

as for anyone else i've been with, i have no love for them either.

i love the guy i play with now. but not in the same way. it's more like that i have for my female friends but with huge amounts of lust thrown in.

it's easy to allow yourself to fall in love when you desperately want it. sometimes it creeps up on you, and sometimes it feels almost instant. but it can and does fade if the person doesn't appreciate it and abuses it.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:03:43 PM   
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I can enjoy the good memories of a past relationship but as far as I am concerned, when the love is gone, it is gone, period.  Just because I can remember some good times is NOT a reason to think that any love remains at all. 

My husband died with me at his side.  He also died with no one who loved him nearby.  Just because we did have love for years does not mean that love HAD to remain in any way, shape, or form. 

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:03:44 PM   
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If you were, you would still be with that person.

Not necessarily...sometimes you don't have any choice. Sometimes the person is unhealthy for you, sometimes they have to move, sometimes you just don't get along...despite being in love.

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being in love, is quite different than just loving.

I am aware of the difference...and I am still in love with each of them. Its not something that can be turned off. Its more than a chemical reaction in the brain...there is a spiritual aspect to it, something in your soul. If you are no longer in love with a person, then you never were...it was a passing infatuation.

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As the poster above me said, it can be overpowered by hate or anger

In my experience it is the anger and hate that fade...and all that's left is the love.

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If you feel that way, you are holding on to the past feelings you had instead of reality.
I'm afraid I disagree...love is the reality. Its not as if I am dwelling on them, or obsessing. I have no desire to get back together with any of them...I do not, and probably never will entirely forgive my ex for divorcing me when she did...there was much hurt, anger, feelings of betrayal and yes...even hatred. But that passed, and all that was left is what was there to begin with.


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:06:13 PM   
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I look at this in a way that I think most people don't.

If you really were in love with a person, and that person is the same person that you fell in love with, they obviously had deeming qualities that pulled you to them in the first place.  That means that they should at least remain good friendship, if not lover material.  If they aren't, then you were wrong about them to begin with and something else was skewing your viewpoint.

MP and I could come to the decision that we are no longer right for each other.  That doesn't make him less of a man in My eyes.  He's still the human being that got Me attracted to him in the first place.  (Unless that he proves that he isn't.)  He's still got the same character.  Shoot!  I'd probably recommend him to future partners (like I said, unless he really fucked up) based on the kind of husband that he's been.

The problem is that the majority of people when they leave a relationship, tend to let their pain make their decisions.  Humans can be terribly vindictive and don't make good judgments when they are basing them on grief.  I still say this is the best way to know the content of a person's character.  How do they act when leaving a relationship?  It proves itself on a constant basis.


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:07:50 PM   
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I agree to a certain extent. I don't love my ex. anymore. He effectively killed that emotion, but i still love my former master. Just because he died doesn't mean i no longer love him.

And i love the man i am with now. I figure my heart is expandable enough to love more than one man, and for more than one kind of love.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:09:53 PM   
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~In General~

I am happily saddled with my feelings. I am quite content that love does not slip on or off as easily as shoes.


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:13:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If you really were in love with a person, and that person is the same person that you fell in love with, they obviously had deeming qualities that pulled you to them in the first place.  That means that they should at least remain good friendship, if not lover material.  If they aren't, then you were wrong about them to begin with and something else was skewing your viewpoint.


What LadyPact said Hence why my ex is still my friend and my lover at times Despite that we stopped dating almost five years ago by now...

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 12:46:30 PM   
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The love doesn't die for me, I can honestly say there ones I have to stay far away from because in a moment of clarity I found them unhealthy and getting around them again would cloud my vision, get my heart to pounding and I would do something completely stupid and love them with all that have and all I am.

, Yes, agreed, I have been celibate a long time (years) while getting over such a thing. And I still cannot see this person cause yup, I know I'd be humping them like a rabbit if I did.


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:05:36 PM   
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The love doesn't die for me, I can honestly say there ones I have to stay far away from because in a moment of clarity I found them unhealthy and getting around them again would cloud my vision, get my heart to pounding and I would do something completely stupid and love them with all that have and all I am.

, Yes, agreed, I have been celibate a long time (years) while getting over such a thing. And I still cannot see this person cause yup, I know I'd be humping them like a rabbit if I did.



sex and love are two different things though. i miss far more about my lost love than the sex. lust is often mistaken for love.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:06:46 PM   
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lust is often mistaken for love.
rather than "often", I would say "usually"

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:07:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


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ORIGINAL: 0ldhen


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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

The love doesn't die for me, I can honestly say there ones I have to stay far away from because in a moment of clarity I found them unhealthy and getting around them again would cloud my vision, get my heart to pounding and I would do something completely stupid and love them with all that have and all I am.

, Yes, agreed, I have been celibate a long time (years) while getting over such a thing. And I still cannot see this person cause yup, I know I'd be humping them like a rabbit if I did.



sex and love are two different things though. i miss far more about my lost love than the sex. lust is often mistaken for love.

needles



How very presumptuous of you. Do I strike you as someone wanting/lacking sexual opportunities?


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:12:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


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ORIGINAL: 0ldhen


quote:

ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

The love doesn't die for me, I can honestly say there ones I have to stay far away from because in a moment of clarity I found them unhealthy and getting around them again would cloud my vision, get my heart to pounding and I would do something completely stupid and love them with all that have and all I am.

, Yes, agreed, I have been celibate a long time (years) while getting over such a thing. And I still cannot see this person cause yup, I know I'd be humping them like a rabbit if I did.



sex and love are two different things though. i miss far more about my lost love than the sex. lust is often mistaken for love.

needles



How very presumptuous of you. Do I strike you as someone wanting/lacking sexual opportunities?



i have absolutely no idea who you are or what opportunities are available to you. however, i wasn't replying dirrectly to you. rather the person who quoted you and used the delightful term of 'humping like rabbits.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:12:46 PM   
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sex and love are two different things though. i miss far more about my lost love than the sex. lust is often mistaken for love.



Hon, at my age I KNOW this, yet the connection is so powerful that for either of us to see the other causes immediate emotional meltdown followed by all consuming lust.

Edited to add; For me in order to have sex, I must be in love. I simply cannot do/enjoy casual sex or casual play.

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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:18:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


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sex and love are two different things though. i miss far more about my lost love than the sex. lust is often mistaken for love.

needles



How very presumptuous of you. Do I strike you as someone wanting/lacking sexual opportunities?



i have absolutely no idea who you are or what opportunities are available to you. however, i wasn't replying dirrectly to you. rather the person who quoted you and used the delightful term of 'humping like rabbits.

needles


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RE: On love - 3/12/2011 1:20:27 PM   
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sex and love are two different things though. i miss far more about my lost love than the sex. lust is often mistaken for love.



Hon, at my age I KNOW this, yet the connection is so powerful that for either of us to see the other causes immediate emotional meltdown followed by all consuming lust.

Edited to add; For me in order to have sex, I must be in love. I simply cannot do/enjoy casual sex or casual play.


In that respect I have to say that the different guys I dated, the guy I usually refer to here as my ex is the only one I don't mind to continue to have sex with on some rare occasions...and they really are rare...whereas with the other ones I can clearly say "no way."

Therefore I believe that it was never real love in the first way with the others. If my ex would need my help and I would be able to help I would be there...just because we dont date anymore doesnt mean to me that I don't care about him as a person anymore. He means a lot to me for different reasons and whilst I have enough reasons to be glad about not to date him anymore, I still love him...but simply am not in love with him...for me its a somewhat different level of love, the way I feel about him these days.

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