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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:30:52 AM   
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But the winner is likely to be chosen as a result of events yet to occur, as I indicated above. I think a big, successful terrorist attack means 0bama0 loses 57 states.

What, like the chimp did in 2001, you mean?

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:32:56 AM   
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The entire lineup presented as runners by the GOP at this time could not find their own ass with two hands and a flashlight.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:34:46 AM   
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What happened to Guiliani? I thought they were keen to trot that cretin out again as well.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:37:27 AM   
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Dancing the chicken slats at the RNC and OMMing 'Drill Baby Drill' cooked him to fork tender, I think.  It was widely felt that he was half-baked already, prior to that cooking demonstration.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:40:03 AM   
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Maybe they could barbecue him for the convention thing, then.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:43:01 AM   
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There is a large Texas delegation at that. (The large nativist collection of mongrels overarching xenophobia in the nutsucker party forbidding piecing it out to Australia). 

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:44:22 AM   
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The Texans would definitely be up for that. They love Italian food down there, don't they?

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 6:45:47 AM   
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Barbequed italian?   You're stretching the envelope of inclusiveness in the republican fold beyond the time-space continuum.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:03:21 AM   
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Gingrich is a sufficiently skilled debater to make 0bama0 look like the empty suit he truly is.

Gingrich will never make it out of the primaries to get the chance.  He's a very smart guy but with too much baggage.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:05:44 AM   
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Well, Obama inherited 5% unemployment and two dollar gas and said hed make the world love us...

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He had a very large pile of money from his father.  Thats not savvy.
Roughly the same as W.




Do you seriously want to rehash all that Obama inherited from the previous regime?


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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:07:18 AM   
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Steven, what we've been sorely lacking in the w.h. for a long time now is a good Manager.
Much as I don't care for his abrasive personality I'd have to admit that Donald Trump would fit that bill and more.



The same Donald Trump that had to declare bankruptcy three times?

Yeah, he's a hell of a manager.






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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:08:14 AM   
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Steven, what we've been sorely lacking in the w.h. for a long time now is a good Manager.
Much as I don't care for his abrasive personality I'd have to admit that Donald Trump would fit that bill and more.



I disagree.  IMO, a President gathers his advisers round and drives them toward a conclusion.  I can't see Trump working with others.  I think he could be a talking head but no more because he's not used to having to do what others want.

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You left out Pawlenty and Daniels, Steve, though I despair of a man who thinks we need a truce on social issues in a Republican primary.

I think Huntsman can overcome having served in the Obama administration by an appeal to patriotism, and some cheap shots at his former boss ("he tries to get good people, and then doesn't listen to them"), and turn it into the biggest foreign policy asset on the bench. The Mormon thing? I think that will carry more weight in the minds of Christian hating bigots, than it will for most Christians.

I don't think Christie will run, but I'd certainly support him over "4 more years" if he did turn out to be a big fat liar on that.

Gingrich... Fucking Gingrich. He's smart and driven, with a good resume, but he has never struck me as a very nice sort of person.

Palin and Bachmann. A decent debate on a televised stage should take care of these, nicely.

??? When Bush I was at 90% approval in the polls at this stage 20 years ago, who had heard of Ross Perot? In this day of social media, couldn't we see dark horses, charging from YouTube and Facebook, only their hoofbeats would be as thumbs posting Twitter updates?

The less popular Obama is, the crazier the Republican will be. I've been saying for quite a while that yes, if Obama screws up badly enough, Palin could beat him.


Rich, I mostly agree with what you've written.  Pawlenty always seems to be just below the others in terms of visibility.  Daneils I can't take seriously because he just can't get into the media, similar to Santorum and Cain.

Gingrich has a long resume, but not all of it is good.  In this day and age, having a short resume means less to attack, and Newt certainly is vulnerable there.

You make a good point regarding social media.  Obama pioneered using it, and Palin has used it to keep herself visible.  It certainly allows for unknowns becoming contenders in record time, and I expect that you;re right about dark horses becoming more prevalent as a result.

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I am interested who would be from Democrat side. Will Obama run for the second term and who will be the challengers?


I see no signs that he's not planning to run again.  Note that no Dems have postured themselves to look like contenders.  If Obama decided to not stand for reelection, I'd assume that the news would leak out, and that lots of Dems would be trying to look Presidential.

If Obama does run, I can't see any Dems challenging him.  That's why I was focusing on the GOP side, because the Dem side is a foregone conclusion.

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How about the "independent" Lieberman?


Forget it.  Unless both major parties really screw up, I can't see an independent getting much funding.  And I get the impression that he hasn't made a lot of friends in Washington.

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But the winner is likely to be chosen as a result of events yet to occur, as I indicated above. I think a big, successful terrorist attack means 0bama0 loses 57 states.

I expect this summer to be full of sound and fury. Wisconsin was only the start of the state battles. Major budget fight in DC, with the final skirmish maybe this week. Lots and lots and lots of tea Parties, with much of the attention spent on establishment Rs who don't insist on budget proposals Dims find unacceptable (imo every R who fails to vote to defund 0bama0Care, the NEA, NPR, the list goes on, should count on a serious primary fight).

There's too many knife fights coming up to pick winners....


I disagree on the terrorist attack.  W took the worst terrorist attack in history and used it as the centerpiece of his Presidency.  He invaded two countries in dubious wars, weakened civil liberties, handed out no-bid contracts to Cheney's ex-company, and created the DHS from other agencies' deadwood, and still looked strong and decisive doing it all.  Obama's smart enough to know that he would need to respond forcefully to any terror attack.

I agree on the Tea Party's efforts, and it's unfortunate that the soundness of an R will be based on how much the Dems dislike him or her.

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What happened to Guiliani? I thought they were keen to trot that cretin out again as well.


I get the feeling that he wants to run but that after his 2008 primary strategy of ignoring the first few primaries, nobody thinks he knows how to use campaign resources.


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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:09:40 AM   
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Well, Obama inherited 5% unemployment and two dollar gas and said hed make the world love us...
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He had a very large pile of money from his father.  Thats not savvy.
Roughly the same as W.


Do you seriously want to rehash all that Obama inherited from the previous regime?

No, he's changing the subject after realizing that Trump must have (mis)managed his way into bankruptcy.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:14:03 AM   
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I think that's right.

I'm ready for someone new.
And I'm angry and I want an angry candidate.
Do you remember the debate wherein BC asked pere Bush, in a discussion involving Bills "loathe the military", draft-dodging past: "Are you questioning my patriotism?"
Bush said, in effect, oh gosh no, of course not, I would never dream of that.
I have always thought he lost the election at that moment.
His answer, imo, should have been: "Son, now that you bring it up, I am the youngest American fighter pilot ever shot down in service to this country. It's a miracle of a benevolent God that I am standing here today. You, on the other hand, are an admitted draft dodger. I have more than earned the right to question your patriotism, and for that matter so has every other American. I consider you a coward and a disgrace to this country".

I do not want another gentlemanly, patrician loser.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:18:37 AM   
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I think that's right.

I'm ready for someone new.
And I'm angry and I want an angry candidate.
Do you remember the debate wherein BC asked pere Bush, in a discussion involving Bills "loathe the military", draft-dodging past: "Are you questioning my patriotism?"
Bush said, in effect, oh gosh no, of course not, I would never dream of that.
I have always thought he lost the election at that moment.
His answer, imo, should have been: "Son, now that you bring it up, I am the youngest American fighter pilot ever shot down in service to this country. It's a miracle of a benevolent God that I am standing here today. You, on the other hand, are an admitted draft dodger. I have more than earned the right to question your patriotism, and for that matter so has every other American. I consider you a coward and a disgrace to this country".

Like Bush's son, who was president between 2000 and 2008, you mean? The chimp who went AWOL from the National Guard? Strange how that always gets ignored when neocons start blathering about military service and patriotism. The flip flop between the Repukes taking the piss out of Kerry's military record in 2004 and then turning around and claiming that Sorebutt McCain was a martyr for selling his country out to his captors in 2008 was very funny from this side of the Atlantic...

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:21:55 AM   
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W took the worst terrorist attack in history and used it as the centerpiece of his Presidency. 


true enough, but the conditions under which that attack occurred were drastically different from those of today.
0bama0 has spent two years defining terrorism as acts committed by anyone except Muslims, apologizing to the Arab world, and defining real jihadi attacks (hasan, e.g.) as something other than terrorism.

If there's a successful attack, perhaps some reporter will ask him i the aftermath thereto: "Mr President, do you think it's time we change NASAs primary mission away from outreach to the Arab world and back to space exploration".

There's a lot of not just snortworthy but deranged ore to mine.

"Mr President have you or your staff considered speaking on Al- Jezeera to apologize for our city being in the way of their dirty bomb"?

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:23:47 AM   
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Ja, fuckin chickenhawks.  No end to the fuckers over here, even after W going off and starting 2 wars with no actual point or possibilities and bellicose and belligerent talk worldwide and the shithole that has sunk us into, and they still want someone angry.

Keeps their minds from their hemmoroids with all the armchair generalship, I imagine.   

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:26:15 AM   
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From The Washington Post "2012 Republican presidential candidates all have flaws," Washington Post, 30 January 2011

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As governor of Massachusetts, [Mitt Romney] signed health-care legislation that has considerable similarities to the proposal championed by President Obama -- the one Republicans have fought tooth and nail...


Haley Barbour. The Mississippi governor virtually invented lobbying - not exactly the ideal background in a very anti-Washington Republican electorate. And his Southern roots - and the gaffe he committed late last year when he seemed to suggest that the civil rights movement wasn't a big deal where he grew up - might not play well in the Iowa caucuses or the New Hampshire primary, the first two nominating contests of 2012.

Mitch Daniels. The Indiana governor drew widespread criticism among the party base when he suggested that the next president would need to call a "truce" on social issues until the country moved beyond its current economic woes. Social conservatives dominate the Iowa caucuses and the South Carolina primary - and they won't forget Daniels's truce talk anytime soon.

John Thune. The senator from South Dakota - like many of his Republican Senate colleagues - voted for the Troubled Assets Relief Program in late 2008. Many conservatives view the vote as a sort of scarlet letter, a massive government bailout that is anathema to their limited-government philosophy

Newt Gingrich. The former House speaker's appeals to social conservatives in places such as Iowa and South Carolina could be complicated by his very public personal life: He has been married three times.

Sarah Palin. The former Alaska governor has done next to nothing to build a national political organization or demonstate the ability - or willingness - to grow beyond her committed social conservative base.

Jon Huntsman. His serving in the Obama administration - albeit as the ambassador to China - won't go down well with many Republican primary voters who detest the current occupant of the White House. And Huntsman's public endorsement of cap-and-trade legislation puts him out of step with most in his party.

Tim Pawlenty.  The former Minnesota governor's biggest problem is a lack of pizazz. Can a candidate who is relatively unknown outside his home state of Minnesota and whose best trait is his "niceness" rise to the top of such a crowded field?

Mike Huckabee.  Huckabee's record as governor of Arkansas - particularly his decision to commute the sentence of Maurice Clemmons, who went on to murder four police offers in Washington state - is ripe for a deep opposition-research dive. And Huckabee's record on taxes as governor isn't likely to look much better in the eyes of many Republicans.

Rather than being a flaw, Pawlenty's supposed lack of national prominence would be an advantage in the primaries.


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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:27:48 AM   
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But only that far, once you get to know the guy and see what he did to Minnesota's finances, he'll garner a fuckin' pass.

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RE: Wanna play GOP 2012? - 3/15/2011 7:29:01 AM   
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The less popular Obama is, the crazier the Republican will be. I've been saying for quite a while that yes, if Obama screws up badly enough, Palin could beat him.


You also said that Palin was going to put McCain over the top.

And no, I'm not going to let you forget that.

By the way, you do know that Obama's numbers have remained remarkably stable and consistent with the percentage that voted for him.

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