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tazzygirl -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/17/2011 8:50:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Sorta hard to get pissy at the US when they refused to vote. They took no sides. I dont follow. Not unless you think my earlier comments were pissy. If so, I was pointing out the hypocracy when oil is concerned, as shown by the Iraq invasion. Your comments arent pissy. I meant its hard for Russia and China to get pissy at the US since neither voted against the resolution. But, can you blame them for trying to stay neutral?

tweakabelle -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 12:37:04 AM)
If I look at this situation froma purely US perspective I have to conclude that Obama has done brilliantly. As long as Benghazi and Tobruk hold until the no fly zone is operative, the UN intervention means that there is only going to be one outcome - Ghadaffi will be gone. His situation is hopeless now - isolated, the world arrayed against him, his own people in open and full revolt. The US is going to get the outcome it wants, with little risk to its interests, its personnel or military anywhere. If for some unexpected reason , it all goes pear shaped, it won't be the US's fault. Active involvement is unlikely to last long as things stand at the moment. The Libyan people will be grateful to the West for its help in their hour of need. The region will be delighted to see the end of a lunatic. That is clever statesmanship - optimal outcome for minimal risk and cost, US reputation and influence enhanced. Compare that with the neo-con disaster in Iraq. Thousands of US lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, political and diplomatic disaster, trillions of dollars down the tubes, terrorism strengthened not weakened and the Iraqi Govt ideological and political allies of Iran. That is crass statemanship - negative outcome for maximum risk and cost, US reputation and influence trashed. Did I hear someone say that multi-lateral approaches don't work?

hlen5 -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 3:45:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain .......They don't need Egypt anyway, NATO is going to crush Muammar Qaddafi he uses his military in ANY way........ I know the UK and France and the US are members of NATO, but this will be UN coalition. A TRUE coalition.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 5:49:49 AM)
Here is the part that kills me. The Democrats came out against Bush for his handling of Iraq. Hell, over half the country believed it was a mistake for us being there. Now, certain republicans and independents are screaming that Obama didnt act fast enough. Another case of damned if you do, damned if you dont. If Obama had rushed in, they would have pointed out that he acted no different than Bush... another Bush 2 claim. But, he didnt rush in like Bush, so now he is ineffective. Honestly, is there no pleasing anyone, even independents?

Sanity -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 5:55:44 AM)
Well tazzy, if hes damned if he does and damned if he doesnt then maybe he should quote: BARACK OBAMA: THE WEAKEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY? INEFFECTUAL, invisible, unable to honour pledges and now blamed for letting Gaddafi off the hook. Why Obama’s gone from ‘Yes we can’ to ‘Er, maybe we shouldn’t’... Let us cast our minds back to those remarkable days in November 2008 when the son of a Kenyan goatherd was elected to the White House. It was a bright new dawn – even brighter than the coming of the Kennedys and their new Camelot. JFK may be considered as being from an ethnic and religious minority – Irish and Catholic – but he was still very rich and very white. Barack Obama, by contrast, was a true breakthrough president. The world would change because obviously America had changed. Obama’s campaign slogan was mesmerisingly simple and brimming with self-belief: “Yes we can.” His presidency, however, is turning out to be more about “no we won’t.” Even more worryingly, it seems to be very much about: “Maybe we can… do what, exactly?“ The world feels like a dangerous place when leaders are seen to lack certitude... Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/235196/Barack-Obama-The-Weakest-President-in-history-Barack-Obama-The-Weakest-President-in-history-#ixzz1GxHt21Ep

tazzygirl -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:01:58 AM)
Thats your opinion. And you are welcome too it. I happen to disagree. Seems to me the UN resolution may already be working... without a single plane being flown.

Sanity -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:23:18 AM)
Most of the rebels have already been killed, taz. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Thats your opinion. And you are welcome too it. I happen to disagree. Seems to me the UN resolution may already be working... without a single plane being flown.

mnottertail -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:25:42 AM)
There are probably more rebels alive in tripoli than in bagdhad, but they are still giving us headaches over east, those freedom loving kids. So, there is a bright and shining hope within some breasts.

Sanity -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:29:33 AM)
The rebels in Baghdad were from Iran, the rebels in Tripoli were from Tripoli. The bright and shining hope in Libya has all but died, according to most reports quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There are probably more rebels alive in tripoli than in bagdhad, but they are still giving us headaches over east, those freedom loving kids. So, there is a bright and shining hope within some breasts.

Lucylastic -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:31:50 AM)
Seems to me the only reason some on the right seem to want obama to be powerful and full of piss and vinegar is so that they can squeal when he actually does go over that statesman- to warmonger line. They gotta see bloodshed or they need a dozen viagra to get thru the day.A political and expensive gotcha isnt worth american or allies lives. With the Arab league request and UN in agreement is the "best "outcome for the crazy bastard. Of course I would like to see the SAS or Seals just go in and blow him to smithereens, but you didnt hear me say that

Sanity -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:41:50 AM)
You think that maybe he is so worried what people will think or say about him that he refuses to do anything at all? Thats kind of the picture thats being painted quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Seems to me the only reason some on the right seem to want obama to be powerful and full of piss and vinegar is so that they can squeal when he actually does go over that statesman- to warmonger line. They gotta see bloodshed or they need a dozen viagra to get thru the day.A political and expensive gotcha isnt worth american or allies lives. With the Arab league request and UN in agreement is the "best "outcome for the crazy bastard. Of course I would like to see the SAS or Seals just go in and blow him to smithereens, but you didnt hear me say that

Lucylastic -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:47:01 AM)
I realise its what you seee , but you have tunnel vision, The only way you would be happy in all this is if he went over there and gutted Gadafi him self and then you would say he didnt do it the right way, or he should have blown him up or cut off his head so zombie gadafi didnt arise You dont see anything else, reality is not your forte

flcouple2009 -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:49:36 AM)
How about we not jump into things without any idea of the possible outcome and long term ramifications? Wouldn't it have been great if we had done that with Iraq?

mnottertail -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 6:51:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The rebels in Baghdad were from Iran, the rebels in Tripoli were from Tripoli. The bright and shining hope in Libya has all but died, according to most reports quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There are probably more rebels alive in tripoli than in bagdhad, but they are still giving us headaches over east, those freedom loving kids. So, there is a bright and shining hope within some breasts. Then why bother with a no-fly zone? There is not a terrorist, there is not an insurgent, there is not a rebel, there is not a bomb throwing anarchist, there is not a muslim brotherhood follower, there is not a.........in the whole of Libya? And there are people being killed today in Bagdhad, and this is being done by Iranians? You got any credible citations for that?

Anaxagoras -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 7:19:59 AM)
Not a big fan of "O'Bama" myself, and it will be a pain when he visits in May with all the fuss but I think its right to be a bit circumspect about Libya. The US has taken a real thrashing internationally after Iraq so caution is advised especially since it seems at this stage that nothing short of an invasion will prevent Gadfly from winning.

Sanity -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 7:26:50 AM)
Libya declares cease-fire after UN vote 31 days in to the crisis. Too bad they couldnt have moved a wee bit faster

Lucylastic -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 7:28:45 AM)
Libya's foreign minister announced an immediate cease-fire Friday, less than a day after the U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution authorizing "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people. Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa said his country is committed to accepting the terms of the U.N. resolution, a reversal from the initial defiance displayed by Moammar Gadhafi's regime. Moammar Gadhafi's regime had initially responded to the resolution with defiance. The regime had defiantly closed Libya's airspace to all traffic while the West made plans to enforce a no-fly zone and prevent his forces from attacking rebels after the U.N. authorized "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people, including airstrikes. http://www.npr.org/2011/03/18/134646486/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya a good sign, but still, we shall see

tazzygirl -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 3:17:53 PM)
I posted the cease fire on the other thread. TRIPOLI, Libya – Trying to outmaneuver Western military intervention, Moammar Gadhafi's government declared a cease-fire on Friday against the rebel uprising faltering against his artillery, tanks and warplanes. The opposition said shells rained down well after the announcement and accused the Libyan leader of lying. Wary of the cease-fire, Britain and France took the lead in plans to enforce a no-fly zone, sending British warplanes to the Mediterranean and announcing a crisis summit in Paris with the U.N. and Arab allies. In Washington, President Barack Obama ruled out the use of American ground troops but warned that the U.S., which has an array of naval and air forces in the region, would join in military action. There should be no doubt about the Libyan leader's intentions "because he has made them clear," Obama said. "Just yesterday, speaking of the city of Benghazi, a city of roughly 700,000, he threatened 'we will have no mercy and no pity.' No mercy on his own citizens." .......... And, this... the cause of all the uproar. The rebels still hold eastern Libya, which has most of the country's oil reserves. Oil prices slid after the cease-fire announcement, plunging about $2.50 in the first 15 minutes of New York trading. They were down slightly for the week, settling at $101.07 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. ............ In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the immediate objective of any intervention was to halt violence against civilians, but insisted that the "final result of any negotiation would have to be the decision by Col. Gadhafi to leave." The U.N. Security Council resolution, which passed late Thursday, set the stage for airstrikes, a no-fly zone and other military measures short of a ground invasion. Within 12 hours, Gadhafi's government announced "an immediate cease-fire and to stop all military operations," said Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/ap_on_re_af/af_libya

rulemylife -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 3:38:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity BARACK OBAMA: THE WEAKEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY? INEFFECTUAL, invisible, unable to honour pledges and now blamed for letting Gaddafi off the hook. Letting Gaddafi off the hook? Unbelievable. I posted the links for you earlier on the Bush administration's appeasement policy toward Libya and you ignored it. Bush went beyond doing nothing, he legitimized Gaddafi. I don't remember your outrage when Rice was giving credibility to his regime by visiting Tripoli.

domiguy -> RE: Gadhafi tells rebels to surrender (3/18/2011 3:44:32 PM)
Sanity will eats his words. Just like wilbur, he blurs these forums with so much bullshit it is virtually impossible to hold him accountable for all of his tom-douchery (courtesy of divi) because it is damn near impossible to know where to even begin to jump in.. The amount of bullshit is baffling. Here is the quote that he will be deepthroating shortly. "The bright and shining hope in Libya has all but died, according to most reports." Just another stupid blanket statement.

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