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slvemike4u -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 5:36:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

THe canadians have the uranium
but we dont count, LMAO

Sweetheart as far as I am concerned....you most definitely count [:)]...Though I'm not sold on Brain [:D]




Lucylastic -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 5:47:43 PM)

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FirmhandKY -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 5:58:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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FirmhandKy
So, basically, you failed to read for understanding. You failed to read in context. You failed to read beyond your biases. And you practiced selective quotation.

Your assumptions and your characterizations are indeed false, and you are indeed straw-manning.

Please refrain from doing these things. And I would request that you put more effort in your observations and comments if you wish to engage in a conversation or debate with me.



Dear Firm

If you don't want people to think that you are saying Obama's and Bush's policies are the same, here's a simple tip:
Don't say Obama's policies are the same as Bush's four times in a single post
Got it? Not too tough is it? Or should I explain it in even simpler terms for you?

While that is sinking in, here's another tip:
Don't patronise me. Especially when you are trying to weasel your way out of a trap that is entirely of your own making. Not a good look at all.

You made your observations about Obama 4 times. While you were registering your support of inSanity's rants - something no person with even half a functional brain would be caught dead doing. Either recant or accept the criticisms I made were legitimate.

Even in your tortured efforts to squirm out of the trap you set yourself, you re-state that it is indeed your view that Obama=Bush, in bold lest anyone fail to get the message thus:

"I will say that there are plenty of other examples of Obama=Bush that I don't really need to even list them, do I?"

Blatantly confirming and emphasising the very thing you are denying! How dumb can a person get? Is this an attempt to set a new record here?

Readers by now have more than enough evidence to form their own conclusions. If you wish to be taken seriously, it helps to make serious intelligent points. I wish you well in your struggle to achieve such an ability. On this evidence, you've got a long long way to go.

tweakabelle

You are exposing quite a weakness there, tweakabelle.

I suggest you do some research on your own, and google, for example "bush and obama same policies".`

Of course, since you are in the land down under, and google changes the results based on your location and previous search history, you might not get the exact same results, but I got over 48 million hits on that search term.  A review of the first two pages gave plenty of examples for my thesis, however.

If you still fail to understand my intent and words, this says more about you than it does about me.

I'd suggest you first understand the subject, and then attempt to read for comprehension rather than reading for combat.

And if you feel "condescended upon", perhaps it is because you deserve it.  You don't have to continue to deserve it, but the choice is yours.

Firm




Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 6:13:44 PM)


He might not be, but Im not happy that I bought one of his CDs when I was much younger and didnt know any better.

That makes us even.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I am pretty sure that Neil Young would not be very happy knowing that you or wilbur listen to his music




tweakabelle -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 6:45:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

FirmhandKy
So, basically, you failed to read for understanding. You failed to read in context. You failed to read beyond your biases. And you practiced selective quotation.

Your assumptions and your characterizations are indeed false, and you are indeed straw-manning.

Please refrain from doing these things. And I would request that you put more effort in your observations and comments if you wish to engage in a conversation or debate with me.



Dear Firm

If you don't want people to think that you are saying Obama's and Bush's policies are the same, here's a simple tip:
Don't say Obama's policies are the same as Bush's four times in a single post
Got it? Not too tough is it? Or should I explain it in even simpler terms for you?

While that is sinking in, here's another tip:
Don't patronise me. Especially when you are trying to weasel your way out of a trap that is entirely of your own making. Not a good look at all.

You made your observations about Obama 4 times. While you were registering your support of inSanity's rants - something no person with even half a functional brain would be caught dead doing. Either recant or accept the criticisms I made were legitimate.

Even in your tortured efforts to squirm out of the trap you set yourself, you re-state that it is indeed your view that Obama=Bush, in bold lest anyone fail to get the message thus:

"I will say that there are plenty of other examples of Obama=Bush that I don't really need to even list them, do I?"

Blatantly confirming and emphasising the very thing you are denying! How dumb can a person get? Is this an attempt to set a new record here?

Readers by now have more than enough evidence to form their own conclusions. If you wish to be taken seriously, it helps to make serious intelligent points. I wish you well in your struggle to achieve such an ability. On this evidence, you've got a long long way to go.

tweakabelle

You are exposing quite a weakness there, tweakabelle.

I suggest you do some research on your own, and google, for example "bush and obama same policies".`

Of course, since you are in the land down under, and google changes the results based on your location and previous search history, you might not get the exact same results, but I got over 48 million hits on that search term.  A review of the first two pages gave plenty of examples for my thesis, however.

If you still fail to understand my intent and words, this says more about you than it does about me.

I'd suggest you first understand the subject, and then attempt to read for comprehension rather than reading for combat.

And if you feel "condescended upon", perhaps it is because you deserve it.  You don't have to continue to deserve it, but the choice is yours.

Firm


Oh dear! there's no fool like a dogged one is there?

If you are insisting, as you seem to be, that your saying at least 5 times now that Bush's and Obama's policies are the same does NOT mean you are saying Bush's and Obama's policies are the same, you qualify as moronic.

No amount of pseudo-intellectual gymnastics can alter that stark reality. And you don't even have to graduate high school to understand it.

If you somehow managed to con your way into the university where I teach, your efforts would be marked R for Re-Submit. Which is a nice way of saying please consider a career commensurate with your talents like say road sweeping or parking lot attendant.

I am not going to waste any more of my time on you.





FirmhandKY -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 7:07:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I am not going to waste any more of my time on you.

And that would be the first wise decision I've seen you make in this thread.

If you are an example of the literati and professorial class down under, then I worry for the Anglosphere.

You remind me of a Shakespearean quote, about the person whose tale is " ... full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing."

G'day. (hat tip)

Firm




rulemylife -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 7:28:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I just though it was pretty darn nifty that things have been going so well in Iraq that Obama decided to take credit for it.

[:)]



Things have been going "nifty" in Iraq?

You know there are twelve step programs that can help wean you off FOX News.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 7:31:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


He might not be, but Im not happy that I bought one of his CDs when I was much younger and didnt know any better.

That makes us even.

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I am pretty sure that Neil Young would not be very happy knowing that you or wilbur listen to his music




Leave me out of that. I cant stand his music, and it has nothing to do with his politics...in fact I dont even know what his politics are. I know he's got a whiny voice, cant play guitar worth a lick and sang in a band that has great harmonies when there is a producer around to mix their 50 takes, but can't come close to it live.




Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 7:33:49 PM)


Sounds like your beef isnt with me so much as it is with Joe Biden

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Things have been going "nifty" in Iraq?

You know there are twelve step programs that can help wean you off FOX News.





Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 7:39:22 PM)


He sounded great to me when I saw him perform with Crazy Horse live in Munich, around 1981 or so. Maybe it was the special effects, das gut bier ya.

But yeah, hes a true lefty.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Leave me out of that. I cant stand his music, and it has nothing to do with his politics...in fact I dont even know what his politics are. I know he's got a whiny voice, cant play guitar worth a lick and sang in a band that has great harmonies when there is a producer around to mix their 50 takes, but can't come close to it live.





slvemike4u -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 7:55:06 PM)

Young "can't play guitar worth a lick"....wllbe proves he is a musical expert too.What a fucking laugh.




TreasureKY -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 8:03:20 PM)

Oh sheesh!  [8|]  

Look, tweak... I'm going to put this in very, simple words and lay it out about as plainly as I can...

1)  You claimed, and I quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Sanity, FirmhandKy et al seem to be complaining that Obama's policies are the same as Bush's.
Please note the word in your quote above that I have italicized, bolded, and underlined.


2) Firm said that you mis-stated his position and then went on to clarify the intent of his statements:

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

My main thrust hasn't been to attack Obama, or even support Bush in all of his decisions.  My thrust is that there are a large number of people who protested all of Bush's actions and policies, yet are strangely quiet when Obama adopts the same general (or exact) same policies.


3) You continued to insist:

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

... no less than 4 times you went out of your way to observe that Obama's and Bush's policies are essentially the same.

On that basis I am perfectly entitled to make the assertion I made in my post, which was:
"Sanity, FirmhandKy et al seem to be complaining that Obama's policies are the same as Bush's."

Again... note the word of yours that I've highlighted.


4)  Firm tried again to get you to understand that you are arguing against a false position:

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Your assumptions and your characterizations are indeed false, and you are indeed straw-manning.


5)  So you now come back with:

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

... If you are insisting, as you seem to be, that your saying at least 5 times now that Bush's and Obama's policies are the same does NOT mean you are saying Bush's and Obama's policies are the same, you qualify as moronic.


Let me put this as succinctly as I can: 
  • Firm has never denied saying that Bush and Obama's policies are the same.
  • You asserted that Firm was complaining.
  • Firm has said that he wasn't complaining about their policies being the same. 
  • You fabricated a position superficially based on what Firm said and have been arguing against it. (Straw-man)
  • Firm has been saying all along that the position you've fabricated isn't his.
  • You appear to not understand that.
As for your claims of teaching at a University, no one could care less.  That certainly doesn't lend weight to your argument and was, quite frankly, just plain childish... as were your personal attacks.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 8:14:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Oh sheesh!  [8|]  
As for your claims of teaching at a University, no one could care less. 


Youre not impressed by "Marsupials 101"?




Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 8:19:59 PM)


Yeah Willbeur, Neil Young can play guitars exceptionally well, I hate that fucker for how well he can play a guitar.

For how easy he makes it look.

But ugly? Damn that man is ugly.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 8:21:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Yeah Willbeur, Neil Young can play guitars exceptionally well, I hate that fucker for how well he can play a guitar.

For how easy he makes it look.

But ugly? Damn that man is ugly.



We'll have to agree to disagree...on the guitar part.




TreasureKY -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 8:23:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

Oh sheesh!  [8|]  
As for your claims of teaching at a University, no one could care less. 


Youre not impressed by "Marsupials 101"?


lol... Not in the least.   Sounds bodgy to me.  [;)]




slvemike4u -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 10:09:11 PM)

"bodgy"...I'm going to need a translation.I'm just not familiar with that particular word?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 10:29:20 PM)

I find Myself agreeing with sanity on something.

Neil is a HELL of a musician. I'm not wild about his politics and he is BUTT UGLY but I like the music.


HEYYYYYY HEYYYYYYY My My.....Rock and Roll Can never DyYYEEEEEE




slvemike4u -> RE: Impeachment? (3/23/2011 10:34:00 PM)

Yeah,much as I hate to say it....I can find nothing to fault with his appraisal of Neil....the man is a great musician ,but lige has been hard on that face...In that regard he is a Canadian Kieth Richards.[:D]




Sanity -> RE: Impeachment? (3/24/2011 3:57:47 AM)


Video -

Well known Constitutional scholar claims U.S. attack on any nation that has not attacked us is an impeachable offense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH5pSUJ2dKU&feature=player_embedded#at=107

Only if a Republican is president at the time though, apparently.  [;)]









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