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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 12:11:14 PM   
Lockit


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Status: offline 		There have been a lot of people around here that were trying to create slave schools, safe houses or communities led by one gender or another. I read with interest, because it is interesting in certain ways, but I typically had one response... rolling my eyes. Anytime you get this fantasy, based on your concept of things and others towing the line and living according to your fantasy, agenda or concept, you are going to have problems. So you create a board... a counsel of the old wise one's and you still have the creator that everyone had to agree with to get to stage two of planning. Funny, I have never seen one come back and say it worked, how well it worked or what happened.

I am just not a follower and cannot follow. Being a team player is different. That I can be. I do believe with the economy as it is, with families working so much and the need for care of children and a bigger support system being a good thing, that sometimes communal living can work and is a good thing, but it cannot be based on the lifestyle of a dictator and crew. Sooner or later someone is going to want to overthrow the... government or escape them.


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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 12:16:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed.

I think the biggest problem with most of the stuff we see like this......it is the brain child of one person that is seeing dollar signs. That person has NO INTENTION of possibly even creating such a 'utopia' and would never consider a real team effort with the other dominant parties.

I've been contacted by similar. Every time it's all about one woman, transparently trying to make a buck. As soon as I start curiously asking the hard, and realistic, questions......they disappear.


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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 5:13:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am with Otterswim on this one. I would have a hard time bowing and scraping to every women in the commune. Fantasy wise it would be a dream! But in reality, it would not work for me. I am sure for some out there they would not care who was their mistress.

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 5:26:56 PM   
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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 5:28:04 PM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		As a child-free only child, I think a lot about my old age, and some of my friends and I have ponderd the notion of pooling our resources so we won't be home alone. That kind of team playing, being part of a family, I do every day. It also drives me fucking crazy on a daily basis.

Imagine trying to set that up with folks you're not emotionally invested in?

Next think about allll those mens who wanted to serve THEIR WAY. Srsly, I was dissed by some jackwagon who wanted to hand wash my underwear! Um. No. The Wolford, sure. Otherwise, that's what the washer is for.

Whoa. REALITY SHOW!!

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 10:26:56 PM   
thezigg


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Status: offline 		Does this remind anyone of Jonestown?
Oh, and good luck to them to find a bank willing to loan money on something likevthis

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/21/2011 10:28:26 PM   
LadyHibiscus


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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 2:50:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thezigg

Does this remind anyone of Jonestown?


No, I don't equate cohousing/intentional communities with cults.

While the site I linked in my op may not be everyone's cup of tea, I don't see it akin to a "Jonestown" sort of thing.

The concept of a Female-led community being a viable option was what I was wanting opinions on. As I've already stated...all too often I read profiles of men saying how they see women as superior and how they want to be ruled completely by them. Okay...here's an example of what that reality could be. Like I said in post #16 "Be careful what you wish for."


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Oh, and good luck to them to find a bank willing to loan money on something likevthis


Something like what? If you had read the link, you would have read this part...

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Once we have enough seriously interested members and we agree on a particular area of the southeastern U.S. that we want to live in, we will partner with a developer. They can help us find the right property in that area and then they will arrange bank loans for land purchase and construction.(They need to know that most of the 33 homes will be pre-sold to our interested members before they buy the land). Then members of each household work out their own financing with a bank in order to buy a home in the community. Get pre-qualified with a bank to find out how much home you can afford. (tentative, subject to change)


Cohousing/intentional communities are a viable option that have many successful examples worldwide. http://www.cohousing.org/

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 4:38:33 AM   
SexyBossyBBW


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Status: offline 		Does a house with one female dominant, and two or more submissive men qualify for this?
A house with more than one fem dom, where I'd have to agree with all of the women=problem. M

< Message edited by SexyBossyBBW -- 3/22/2011 5:19:27 AM >

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 9:06:11 AM   
LadyHibiscus


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Status: offline 		I have some femdom friends that I get along with famously... and many submissives with strong personalities that would be ideal. If the wimmens are on top, their orientatin shouldn't matter, right? (whoops, cynicism showing!)

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 9:26:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love the idea of living in a BDSM community. The though of living in a Female-led (which is going to be Female Supremacy with a sugar coat) community turns my stomach. I believe in equality to the best of your ability. If you're an intelligent male with good ideas and an ability to lead, I'd rather see you in charge over an average woman. And I'd rather see an intelligent female with good ideas and an ability to lead in charge over an average man. Gender is no more an indication of superiority than race or religion.

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 10:25:04 AM   
leadership527


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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh
The concept of a Female-led community being a viable option was what I was wanting opinions on

Well, to be clear, I see nothing wrong with a "themed community" of any sort. I'm going to guess that in 99.9999999% of the cases, the people trying to do this do not have the skills, knowledge, organizational abilities, and funding to actually make it occur. My concern with this one wasn't that it was female-led. I'm fine with that. It's the gender based prejudice that raises my eyebrows. If I was setting up a similar community it would NOT say, "We believe that women do best under the firm guidance of a male." It would say something like, "For couples with a male head of household." or somesuch.


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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 10:43:36 AM   
BonesFromAsh


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ORIGINAL: leadership527
My concern with this one wasn't that it was female-led. I'm fine with that. It's the gender based prejudice that raises my eyebrows. If I was setting up a similar community it would NOT say, "We believe that women do best under the firm guidance of a male." It would say something like, "For couples with a male head of household." or somesuch.


Which is similar to what was stated in the link under "core values"...

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3) We believe that a male is better off with the loving guidance of a Female in his life.

and...

6) Decision making power is earned by active participation in the shared life of the community. The Wise Woman Council makes the decisions but males will have a way to give their feedback via written suggestion forms or by discussing it with their wife, girlfriend or closest female friend and asking her to consider giving voice to his suggestions or concerns.


Its not that men have no voice, its that they will choose to use it by communicating with their partner or by submitting a written feedback form.

Again, the example I posted is just that...an example. Ironically, the wording of their core values, in my opinion, is similar to some of the religious doctrine I remember from childhood and from family members that were morman and friends that were mennonite. The only blantant difference is a matriarchal instead of a patriarchal approach.

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 11:19:18 AM   
YSG


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Status: offline 		Eh, I would have issues with passing my opinion up the "chain of command", if you will. I'm a straight talker, and if I have something important to say to a group, I'll say it myself.

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If you're an intelligent male with good ideas and an ability to lead, I'd rather see you in charge over an average woman. And I'd rather see an intelligent female with good ideas and an ability to lead in charge over an average man.


Now see, I would like to point out that dominance or submission is not always a matter of intelligence either. For example, I would say that many of the better male subs on here (IE, Otter, hausboy, pyro, etc), from what I have seen, are of above average intelligence. Conversely, I think we can all think of some rather moronic female dominants as well. I think its more of a personality and personal experience thing, you know

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 11:25:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: YSG

Now see, I would like to point out that dominance or submission is not always a matter of intelligence either. For example, I would say that many of the better male subs on here (IE, Otter, hausboy, pyro, etc), from what I have seen, are of above average intelligence. Conversely, I think we can all think of some rather moronic female dominants as well. I think its more of a personality and personal experience thing, you know


I agree 100%, which is one of the many problems I've always had with superiority of any kind...gender/race/religion/whatever.

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 11:25:54 AM   
BeachMystress


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Status: offline 		BTW, if you're interested in a Fem-Supreme living arrangement, there is always OWK. http://www.owk.cz/  (The Other World Kingdom)

If you're not familiar with OWK, here are two quotes from their "about us" page.
  •  "The Other World Kingdom (OWK) is a private state, founded upon the principle of a slave-holding Matriarchal monarchy." 
  • "The OWK as a true state is governed by its own Laws and Regulations, and has its own currency , passports, police force, courts , State Flag and State Hymn."
I have friends, both male and female who have gone there on vacation. All of the women loved it. Only one of the males did.


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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 11:35:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, it wasn't at ALL similar. They are talking about males. I'm talking about specific people. One of those is an accurate assessment of... well... specific people. The other is the road to hell.

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 11:57:38 AM   
BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: YSG

Eh, I would have issues with passing my opinion up the "chain of command", if you will. I'm a straight talker, and if I have something important to say to a group, I'll say it myself.

quote:

If you're an intelligent male with good ideas and an ability to lead, I'd rather see you in charge over an average woman. And I'd rather see an intelligent female with good ideas and an ability to lead in charge over an average man.


Now see, I would like to point out that dominance or submission is not always a matter of intelligence either. For example, I would say that many of the better male subs on here (IE, Otter, hausboy, pyro, etc), from what I have seen, are of above average intelligence. Conversely, I think we can all think of some rather moronic female dominants as well. I think its more of a personality and personal experience thing, you know


Exactly where did I put a BDSM orientation on either the male or female? YOU jumped to conclusions and read what you wanted into it! And, btw, my submissive husband has a high IQ, top 2% - full scholarship to MIT. And for that matter, I also have an IQ in the top 2%. Nothing was mentioned about any orientation being smarter. Nor did it equate smart with ability to lead.  I made the point that there are intelligent males with good ideas and an ability to lead as well as intelligent females with good ideas and an ability to lead. The point was both sexes have those qualities and I'd rather see the best person have a job over a mediocre person and any form of "supremacy" precludes that outcome.

Now I'm remembering why I quit with Collarme Forums. Love ya WyldHrt hon and have been missing ya since you weren't there at the last party; but I'll have to see you up at Mercnbeth's. Or *gasp* you could find somewhere with cell reception and actually call! (Radical!)  BTW, you did see the pic of my NYE art fest? Yeah, you had to wash it off, but it's a fun pic. Too bad it's not in your profile. Sigh. :-D

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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 1:17:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: leadership527
For couples with a male head of household.

and
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3) We believe that a male is better off with the loving guidance of a Female in his life.

Doesn't matter whether or not the guidance is 'loving' (the bit you highlighted); it's about the way the site puports to speak for society as a whole, whereas Jeff is talking about individual households.

If 'a male' in the generic is better off with the guidance of a woman, loving or not, where does that leave all the flaming queers? Perpetually disadvantaged by their raging gaydom? I think not, and if that's something you'd actually support (which I don't think it is) then I'd think differently of you.


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RE: Matriarchal Co-housing....thoughts? - 3/22/2011 1:21:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress
The point was both sexes have those qualities and I'd rather see the best person have a job over a mediocre person and any form of "supremacy" precludes that outcome.

I get what you meant, but in fariness to YSG it did kind of look like you were equating intelligence with dominance. I certainly raised an eyebrow at your post.


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