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Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:01:02 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110325/ap_on_re_us/us_us_libya

Unbelievable, now they're "attacking ground forces." How is that a "no-fly-zone?"

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:03:49 PM   
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Newspeak.

Talk to the Ministry of Truth.  They'll clue you in.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:12:50 PM   
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Newspeak.

Talk to the Ministry of Truth.  They'll clue you in.

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Firm, whenever you hear anyone in Washington use the term "Human Rights" it's like a used car salesman telling you, "Don't worry! It's not going to cost that much!"
They think that if they say "Human Rights" it's like having a blank check to pull the wool over the Taxpayers eyes!

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:15:48 PM   
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Its not war its 'kinetic military action'

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:18:30 PM   
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Newspeak.

Talk to the Ministry of Truth.  They'll clue you in.

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Firm, whenever you hear anyone in Washington use the term "Human Rights" it's like a used car salesman telling you, "Don't worry! It's not going to cost that much!"
They think that if they say "Human Rights" it's like having a blank check to pull the wool over the Taxpayers eyes!

Have you heard the one where a US President can proclaim that a Middle Eastern dictator "must go" repeatedly, and then uses our military forces to attack that dictator's forces inside his own country - in conjunction with our allies - but we don't have a policy of "regime change"?

Orwell was prescient.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:19:40 PM   
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Its not war its 'kinetic military action'

Darn.  You're right.

I forgot all about that one.

It's so common that it's almost "unnoticeable" nowadays.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:20:04 PM   
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"We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements."
-George Washington-

You know, if it were possable to bring George Washington back from the dead I wonder what he'd say about this?

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:41:14 PM   
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They may or may not.  Unless that Pentagon Official is Gates or Mullen, it is bullpen bullshitting.

Ham was bemaoning it from the aspect of what I said at the outset, we are gonna kill some horrendous amount of motherfuckers if we stay in there and start using our shit,  because we throw up a solid wall of lead, thats how we roll and thats the equipment we got.

We don't have very much air military that is accurate, carpet destruction is our modus operandi.  We, (the US) start on taking tanks and cannon (fuck a bunch of sandal footed fez wearin motherfuckers cuz that aint what they mean with Kar K 98 mausers left over from dubya dubya 2)  when they say ground troops, but artillery and calvary; we are gonna take out buildings, the entire regiments, rebels, grama, baby and bathwater along with their scrapmetal.


The verbification speak for war horror  is because most people cant handle the thought that 'surgical strike' is wholly bullshit, hand pictures on the bedsheet to calm the Joe the Plumbers of this world and to keep them patriotic.    

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 3:54:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Newspeak.

Talk to the Ministry of Truth.  They'll clue you in.

Firm




Firm, whenever you hear anyone in Washington use the term "Human Rights" it's like a used car salesman telling you, "Don't worry! It's not going to cost that much!"
They think that if they say "Human Rights" it's like having a blank check to pull the wool over the Taxpayers eyes!

Have you heard the one where a US President can proclaim that a Middle Eastern dictator "must go" repeatedly, and then uses our military forces to attack that dictator's forces inside his own country - in conjunction with our allies - but we don't have a policy of "regime change"?

Orwell was prescient.

Firm




Is that like; "we're going to do it but we're not going to do it?"

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 6:30:18 PM   
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We don't have very much air military that is accurate, carpet destruction is our modus operandi.  

It's gotten better since you were in, Ron.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 6:37:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

"We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements."
-George Washington-

You know, if it were possable to bring George Washington back from the dead I wonder what he'd say about this?


Don't you know, there are new kids on the block now, they would probably tell Mr Washington to FO

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 6:47:48 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110325/ap_on_re_us/us_us_libya

Unbelievable, now they're "attacking ground forces." How is that a "no-fly-zone?"


Lmao. How many more times do you and Sanity need it explaining. The UN mandate is quite clear, even for you.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 7:02:43 PM   
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LMAO We havent had a discussion about the UN mandate

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Lmao. How many more times do you and Sanity need it explaining. The UN mandate is quite clear, even for you.


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 7:09:10 PM   
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"We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements."
-George Washington-

You know, if it were possable to bring George Washington back from the dead I wonder what he'd say about this?
Yeah Pops,I agree with you here...after all the world hasn't changed much since President Washington's day.
What a putz!


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 7:10:48 PM   
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Are any of you guys listening to the reports coming from Libya....do any of the atrocities occurring affect your opinions at all?


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 7:29:30 PM   
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Well isn't that special. It seems our President is discovering that the United States is pretty damn exceptional after all, huh?



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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 7:38:25 PM   
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Are any of you guys listening to the reports coming from Libya....do any of the atrocities occurring affect your opinions at all?


I wonder if these would...
  • used rape and sexual assault in a systematic and institutionalized manner for political purposes.
  • executed dozens of women accused of prostitution.
  • tortured to death the mother of three defectors for her children's opposition activities.
  • decapitated numerous women and men in front of their family members.
  • routinely and systematically torture detainees.
  • According to former prisoners, torture techniques included branding, electric shocks administered to the genitals and other areas, beating, pulling out of fingernails, burning with hot irons and blowtorches, suspension from rotating ceiling fans, dripping acid on the skin, rape, breaking of limbs, denial of food and water, extended solitary confinement in dark and extremely small compartments, and threats to rape or otherwise harm family members and relatives. Evidence of such torture often was apparent when security forces returned the mutilated bodies of torture victims to their families.
  • other detainees have been held without charge for close to two decades in extremely harsh conditions, and many of them have been used as subjects in illegal experimental chemical and biological weapons programs.
  • introduced tongue amputation as a punishment for persons who criticize
  • Refugees fleeing to Europe often reported instances of torture to receiving governments, and displayed scars and mutilations to substantiate their claims.
  • systematic and routine use of torture against suspected political opponents and, occasionally, other prisoners. Amnesty International also reports "Detainees have also been threatened with bringing in a female relative, especially the wife or the mother, and raping her in front of the detainee. Some of these threats have been carried out."
  • had executed at least 1,500 people during the previous year for political reasons.
  • execute summarily alleged political opponents and leaders... Reports suggest that persons were executed merely because of their association with an opposition group or as part of a continuing effort to reduce prison populations.
  • reports that families are made to pay for the cost of executions.
  • held 3-week training courses in weapons use, hand-to-hand fighting, rappelling from helicopters, and infantry tactics for children between 10 and 15 years of age.  ... children held up under the "physical and psychological strain" of training that lasted for as long as 14 hours each day.   ... Families reportedly were threatened with the loss of their food ration cards if they refused to enroll their children in the course.
  • announces food ration cuts for the general population, blaming US or UK actions.
  • Child labor persists and there are instances of forced labor.
  • reports that food and medicine that could have been made available to the general public, including children, have been stockpiled in warehouses or diverted for the personal use of some government officials.
  • has the world's worst record for numbers of persons who have disappeared or remain unaccounted for.
  • remains the country with the highest number of disappearances known to the UN: over 16,000.
  • does not permit freedom of speech or of the press, and does not tolerate political dissent in areas under its control.
  • citizens lived "in a climate of fear," in which whatever they said or did, particularly in the area of politics, involved "the risk of arrest and interrogation by the police or military intelligence."
  • killed more than 500 journalists and other intellectuals in the past decade.
  • ignores constitutional provisions designed to protect the confidentiality of mail, telegraphic correspondence, and telephone conversations.  ... jams news broadcasts from outside the country, including those of opposition groups.
  • own all print and broadcast media, and operate them as propaganda outlets. They generally do not report opposing points of view that are expressed either domestically or abroad.
  • jams foreign news broadcasts. Satellite dishes, modems, and fax machines are banned
  • In government-operated Internet cafes, users only are permitted to view web sites provided by the Ministry of Culture and Information.
  • Relatives who do not report deserters may lose their ration cards for purchasing government-controlled food supplies, be evicted from their residences, or face the arrest of other family members.
  • consistently politicizes and interferes with religious pilgrimages ... conducted a brutal campaign of murder, summary execution, and protracted arbitrary arrest against the religious leaders and followers
Well... they did affect peoples' opinions at one time.   Seems memories are short.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 7:58:27 PM   
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Wait.....don't tell me Iraq right?...Why do you folks keep trying to draw these parallels.One is  prosecuting a NFZ...the other was an invasion conducted ostensibly in a hunt for WMD .Claiming humanitarian reasons for that action is just so much bullshit....Revisionist history sucks...please stop, it is extremely distasteful and intellectually dishonest.


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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 8:01:26 PM   
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Wait.....don't tell me Iraq right?...Why do you folks keep trying to draw these parallels.One is  prosecuting a NFZ...the other was an invasion conducted ostensibly in a hunt for WMD .Claiming humanitarian reasons for that action is just so much bullshit....Revisionist history sucks...please stop, it is extremely distasteful and intellectually dishonest.



I see.  So it is revisionist history even though I personally recall these issues being brought up prior to our invasion.  Got it.

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RE: Pentagon may add more air power in Libya. - 3/25/2011 8:06:01 PM   
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Mike, why participate and persist in the falsehood that this is just an innocent "no-fly zone.?" We are sending in AC-130's. Those don't really "do" other aircraft.

This is how they roll. (the mayhem starts at about 4 minutes)



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