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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 1:19:51 PM   
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Which is more hypochondriac... the one thinking they are ill or those diagnosing those with something going on, without a degree? When even the medical community has a difficult time with this and their own limitations... how is it so easy for laymen to come in with a prognosis, calling it a diagnosis and excusing away what might be a real illness with more time, research or medical exploration?

Two of my illnesses I suffered were not discovered until 1986, however it was many, many years later that the general public in the medical community learned of it. They continued to dispute the validity of it as there was so little research and understanding that they couldn't find a definitive test that could actually confirm it to their satisfaction. Leaving millions of people falling between many cracks in life and subject to the implication and name calling of those in their families and the medical community.

The other illness wasn't discovered until the late 1990's, wasn't taught in America and when I found out what it was by a fluke and amazing doctor... there were only 250 families worldwide known to have it. There was one website and one picture of a brain with it. Now many years later, still untaught in American Medical Schools as far as I know, there are hundreds of websites... many researchers all over the world and people being treated for MS rather than the real illness, people not knowing what is really wrong with them, most being treated improperly and dying because of it. I have lost many, many family members to this and malpractice because of ignorance. And we all were called, hypochondriacs.

When I worked with people with strange and rare illnesses and advocated for us all, the most common assault we had in common besides the medical community, were family members playing doctor, labeling us and abusing us. While some with real hypochondria are out there, many are being blamed for things that cannot be attributed to hypochondria.

As for exposing children to someone that is having problems and you are concerned about it influencing them... which could in fact in some cases be a hereditary illness, maybe known somewhere or not many places... that is up to the parent to protect that child and is not the issue of the one who may or may not really be sick. Many illnesses are hereditary and some symptoms blamed on exposure to someone, when in fact they could be a hereditary component.

Another of my more recent illnesses is hereditary and the many lifelong symptoms I had are something that my family are going through, but because of denial the children are being exposed to diets that will create a situation like I have... where I can eat very little and grow weaker by the day because my digestive track was so abused by the wrong foods that now I am a total mess. The family is catching on slowly, but they belittled me so badly and thought the worst of me that I no longer have relationships with most of them... that they wouldn't believe. They wouldn't believe my truths and now that the truths have been exposed... they still have a habit of not believing them and to the point of harming their own children.

This former hypochondriac has a hard time forgiving them for that fact alone.


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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 2:19:20 PM   
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Where did my idea on this thread come from?


Wherever it came from...just don't go back to get out more from there

My last date in OK also considered himself smart to pronounce how many folks disbelief that fibromyalgia exists and from his undertone it was clear that he was one of them....yep....that pushed him very "high" in my admiration scale and I wish he would have given such shit before I bothered to meet him.

When I worked as a live-in carer many years ago one guy I worked with, and is sadly not with us anymore, felt all his life that something is wrong with him, he was not being taken serious and was being treated as if it is just in his imagination. One day he was not able to move his arms anymore at another stage he aimed to go downstairs, wanted to lift his leg to go downstairs where then he could not do that anymore either and then at last he received his diagnosis of having motor neurone disease.

All his life he wasn't being taken serious when he was saying that something is wrong with him and all his life he was right about it.

So quite frankly PAhunkboy as much as I enjoy your posts on these boards, thats a really touchy subject.

I know from own experience how in previous jobs staff claimed that some of the service users ain't having any pain despite that they were complaining about being in pain (as after all the doctor could not find anything and therefore the service user is just lying to get attention) and were trying to tell me to just ignore the service users when they were complaining about pain...

quite frankly, that never worked with me as quite frankly I know with fibromyalgia how it is to be in pain 300 days a year and that it took me 20 years until I finally got a name for it, so I know what people can go through who are being dismissed about it as with my condition there is no blood test and no xray who will tell the doc what it is and it needs a smart one to get it.

So I have no desire to label anyone as being a hypochondriac as quite frankly I am not a doctor and not able to judge it.

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 5:23:45 PM   
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We all are going to die in the end.



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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 6:40:34 PM   
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What a little piss ant of a son you are.

Your mother watches her grandchildren, most likely for free and most likely it kicks her ass. So your family uses her services after giving you a life and mothering and now you talk about her like this in public... and whine... Send her to my house, I will love her.

This time I am not angry... just stating how I will now view you.


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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 6:50:25 PM   
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Yep, I hurt all the time.  Yep, it's due to disease.

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 6:59:02 PM   
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Right there with you, LockIt.  My family has a "orpan" mental illness, passed genetically.  Mis-diagnosed for GENERATIONS, now.  I have finally been able to get a correct handle (thank gawd for the internet and a listening psychiatrist) to pass to my cousins, my nieces, and their children.
 
The problem (as you lay out) with an orphan disease is there seems to be no medical help.  So, I "get to" take meds designed for "the closest thing we have."  It's okay, but not as good as it might be.
 
PAHunk..... when LockIt isn't loving your Mom, send her to me.  I'll love her, too.
 
Hypochondria is often a cry to be loved.  Get on the stick, boy!  Give her some REAL attention (and I do NOT mean a yearly "Mothers' Day card) and see whether that helps her syptoms, rather than complaining about how her symptoms are affecting other members of your (and her) family.
 
I quote LockIt: What a little piss ant of a son you are.
But I sure wish I'd said it first.

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 7:38:18 PM   
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quote:

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What a little piss ant of a son you are.

Your mother watches her grandchildren, most likely for free and most likely it kicks her ass. So your family uses her services after giving you a life and mothering and now you talk about her like this in public... and whine... Send her to my house, I will love her.

This time I am not angry... just stating how I will now view you.



So you condone teaching the young ones how to whine and moan when there is no reason for it?


I don't.

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 7:50:52 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit
What a little piss ant of a son you are.

Your mother watches her grandchildren, most likely for free and most likely it kicks her ass. So your family uses her services after giving you a life and mothering and now you talk about her like this in public... and whine... Send her to my house, I will love her.

This time I am not angry... just stating how I will now view you.

So you condone teaching the young ones how to whine and moan when there is no reason for it?

I don't.

And I don't either.  SO.... Why not follow my suggestion above?  Quoted here for your convenience.
quote:

ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
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Hypochondria is often a cry to be loved.  Get on the stick, boy!  Give her some REAL attention (and I do NOT mean a yearly "Mothers' Day card) and see whether that helps her syptoms, rather than complaining about how her symptoms are affecting other members of your (and her) family.

I quote LockIt: What a little piss ant of a son you are.
But I sure wish I'd said it first.


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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 8:00:49 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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What a little piss ant of a son you are.

Your mother watches her grandchildren, most likely for free and most likely it kicks her ass. So your family uses her services after giving you a life and mothering and now you talk about her like this in public... and whine... Send her to my house, I will love her.

This time I am not angry... just stating how I will now view you.



So you condone teaching the young ones how to whine and moan when there is no reason for it?


I don't.



I believe that if your sister is going to use her babysitting services, then she shouldn't complain and you shouldn't either. She is good enough to use... but damn if she has some flaw, weakness, need... bam.. bitch... when we use you, don't you dare say certain things in front of the children!

It is up to your sister/family to protect the children if need be... but you can't have it both ways PA.

I watch my grandchildren, for free and have for over two years now. They kick my ass, but I wouldn't have it any other way! They also bring joy to my life! We dealt with when granny moves and a groan escapes or the really smart one says, grandma Lockit, are you okay? You don't look so good, you aren't smiling anymore. Oh don't worry about that honey, grandma Lockit is old and sometimes that happens. Let's do something. My daughter and son in law encourage me, support me and love me. They know I am not perfect, but they don't come down on me... they modify.

We use education, life... sometimes things happen and people get sick... but you know what... you are a healthy little boy and you should be out playing or doing something. Education, distraction and move on. Otherwise... my daughter shouldn't use my services.

By the way... how often do these children hear you all talking about granny?


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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 8:02:46 PM   
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Not now.  I have indigestion.

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 8:06:18 PM   
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The ginger root goes in the other end dear.

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 8:31:04 PM   
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I'll have to see if I can find it online.... but about 15 years ago or so, I recall reading a study in which medical students who were studying rare and infectious diseases often found themselves experiencing the symptoms, particularly after long residency hours and extreme fatigue.  They actually gave the syndrome a name, and apparently it's not uncommon. Sort of like talking about bugs and watching folks start scratching all over.

My attitude on hypochondria is this:  it does not matter  if a patient's disease/problem is "real" or "imagined" --pain, discomfort, and anxiety is still very real to that patient.   No patient should have to endure suffering because a provider fails to acknowledge or recognize that there could be an ailment that they simply can't identify. 

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 8:39:56 PM   
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LOL hausboy. I was taking some medical classes and had to go to ER. The doctor said... you are bleeding in there. (For privacy sake) I said you mean I am hemorrhaging? He said... how did you know to ask like that?

Well, I am taking these classes.

"Oh." He says " You are a first year med student. You will experience everything you study."

"Oh, well we are studying the male reproductive system next month, will I experience that too?"

For some odd reason, he kicked me out.


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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/28/2011 8:58:49 PM   
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It was a GREAT article--gawd I hope I can find it--these students were studying some completely rare and unusual infectious diseases--and there was truly ZERO chance any of the students could have possibly contracted them because they were very specific to travel to certain regions/parts of the world and exposure from some really bizarre, esoteric sources...I mean RARE disease.  The author noted how student after student found themselves reporting symptoms based on the particular disease they were studying.  It would have been funny except for the fact that these poor students were freaking out...and really anxious about it....  I totally felt for them!

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/29/2011 4:27:06 AM   
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Lockit, Holly is correct in her post.  You have nothing to apologize for.  I spent years trying to convince doctors that there was something wrong with me....I was constantly sick and always tired.  It took 10 years, but I finally found a doc who did more than trust test results, and lo and behold, turns out I have hypothyroidism.  I actually had two docs tell me it was "all in my head".

I have known only one true hypochondriac.....she had every disease on television, she'd watch all the medical shows and crap like that.  One of the others on day shift was diagnosed with fibro, and suddenly, she had it too!  I lost it the night she told us that she had been diagnosed with spina bifida.  Not at the disease, it's catastrophic, but dayum.....the woman was like 45, and had no clue!  And she never "got it" either when we'd just roll our eyes at whatever disease she had that day.

PA, get a freaking clue!

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/29/2011 6:21:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

What a little piss ant of a son you are.

Your mother watches her grandchildren, most likely for free and most likely it kicks her ass. So your family uses her services after giving you a life and mothering and now you talk about her like this in public... and whine... Send her to my house, I will love her.

This time I am not angry... just stating how I will now view you.



So you condone teaching the young ones how to whine and moan when there is no reason for it?


I don't.

Hunk...there IS a reason for your mothers complaints.

Hypochondriasis is an illness, and the complaints are a symptom of that illness. Would you condemn a cardiac patient for being short of breath? Would you criticize a Multiple Sclerosis patient for their inability to walk or even a Flu patient because they sneeze?

Illnesses have symptoms and if she is in fact a Hypochondriac, her complaints are a part of the illness. Understanding is needed but criticism is damaging.

However, i have to wonder about the situation you presented. Your words...
quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Where did my idea on this thread come from?

Mom is constantly CONSTANTLY lamenting on how she is feeling-ailing-   us kids - over the years- can zero in somehow on a serious complaint vs her just making conversation.

...mom baby sits my sisters kid and is over there every day-  so her 4 year old now is picking up the habit of feeling badly- tummy aches when it is not- because he hears his gram- so he imitates what the adults do.

My sister has told my mom to mind what she says in front of the boys as now she cant tell when  the kid has a real tummy ache-  or not.

She does not want to reward her boys for being sick-

(so that is what triggered this thread)


Your profile states you are 46 years old, Hunk. It is probably a safe bet that your mother is very close to 70 years old.
She is 70 and gets up every day to travel to your sisters home to babysit several children. I have a 4 year old and am basically half your mothers age. Allow me to tell you there are times when i am exhausted, frustrated, and ready to scream from trying to keep up with a little one. Your mother not only deals with a 4 year old, but also his siblings, one of which is a newborn if i remember correctly.

My goodness...your mom raised her children! This time in her life should be HERS. She should be free to join a senior citizens group and interact with others her age. She needs to join them for a bus trip to Atlantic City and blow a few bucks on a one-armed bandit or whatever other activities they do. She has earned the right to sleep in and then spend the day in her bathrobe if she wants to. She spent years living by the schedule of her children and now that you are all raised, she should be able to live by her own clock.

Perhaps her complaints are her way of trying to say she has had it and is tired. Perhaps your sister needs to look at her elderly mother and realize those children are too much for her? Perhaps your mother needs your support as opposed to your criticism? Maybe your mother is waiting and hoping that her hints will be recognized instead of ignored. Perhaps she is too selfless to insist that these last few years belong to her.

Now your nephew beginning to mimic his grandmothers complaints and your sister told your mother to watch what she says around him.
That is the most heartless thing i have heard lately. Your mother is an elderly woman, not the hired help! It sounds to me that this 70 year old lady is being used as a free babysitter, then criticized for voicing her health issues. For heavens sake, would you guys please get a clue??

This thread is really sickening, Hunk. You admit you started it as a criticism toward your own elderly mother. How sad.


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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/29/2011 6:51:28 AM   
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FR  then no wonder why there are so many drug commercial on TV, and so many people are dysfunctional.

We teach kids at an early age how to be decrepid and useless.

How will then kid ever stand on his own two feet?

I feel sluggish right now. I do not feel like doing anything. 

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/29/2011 6:55:52 AM   
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FR  then no wonder why there are so many drug commercial on TV, and so many people are dysfunctional.

We teach kids at an early age how to be decrepid and useless.

How will then kid ever stand on his own two feet?
I feel sluggish right now. I do not feel like doing anything. 



Ahem...it ain't that difficult to switch off the TV and occupy the kids with something useful, is it?

In my 2nd nanny job in the past they had no TV and no newspaper at home...not rocket science...

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/29/2011 6:55:53 AM   
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Lockit-   it is more strategic to address your medical woes to the professionals who are in the field and can HELP you with the proper treatment. 

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RE: Hypochondriacs might die TODAY! This means YOU - 3/29/2011 6:57:17 AM   
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quote:

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FR  then no wonder why there are so many drug commercial on TV, and so many people are dysfunctional.

We teach kids at an early age how to be decrepid and useless.

How will then kid ever stand on his own two feet?
I feel sluggish right now. I do not feel like doing anything. 



Ahem...it ain't that difficult to switch off the TV and occupy the kids with something useful, is it?

In my 2nd nanny job in the past they had no TV and no newspaper at home...not rocket science...


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