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Aynne88 -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:41:13 AM)
Frankly I find the views and opinions of the many of our non-American posters more informed than some of the....hillbilly contigent. You know, the ramblings and rantings of the birthers and the Palin-ites and the Tea baggers can only go so far. [8\|]. I am referring to the ones that have on train of thought and it comes straight from Fox news.

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:41:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Any time you post and tell an American what is right or wrong about some American political aspect, you are making a claim of greater knowledge or insight. That's true - and at least partially acceptable, in my book. It's called an 'outsider's perspective'. From a distance, a lot of aspects of American politics look as though they're debated within quite a narrow range of perspectives. I'm sure there's much about UK politics that looks similarly restricted to Americans. That seems to be what he's throwing a fit about, sadly. No idea why he's got the needle so badly over it being pointed out that the American right's definition of socialist bears no resemblance to anything any socialist elsewhere in the world (or for that matter, American socialists in the '50s) would want anything to do with, but it seems to have upset him.

mnottertail -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:42:09 AM)
And if I wanted advice on the dwindling return on imperialism, for one example. I can't think of anyone who has blazed a bigger trail before me, and who's advice I would gladly accept. But my cavil is really, what the fuck we are always chums in this sort of shit anyway, why not hook a brother up, instead of sending him off to the loo, when we are trying to sort it out? (in the english and american equivalent sense of that supposed false cognate)

PeonForHer -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:50:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead That seems to be what he's throwing a fit about, sadly. No idea why he's got the needle so badly over it being pointed out that the American right's definition of socialist bears no resemblance to anything any socialist elsewhere in the world (or for that matter, American socialists in the '50s) would want anything to do with, but it seems to have upset him. I've seen signs, many times, of quite different understandings between the UK on that and other matters. American politics does look, in general, more right wing that that of the UK. (As I heard a Tory MP say to an American politician on Question Time, 'We don't really have republicans here. The nearest we get is right wing democrats'.) The various kinds of moderate socialism tend to get bunched together with the kinds that are farther left and, as I was told recently, what we'd call the centre or centre-left idea of 'social democracy' seems to be a rarely-heard term in the USA.

PeonForHer -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:52:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail And if I wanted advice on the dwindling return on imperialism, for one example. I can't think of anyone who has blazed a bigger trail before me, and who's advice I would gladly accept. You know, when I first saw your pic, I thought 'Eh? That bloke must be a Brit'. Sorry mate, but for some reason, you just do look British to me. ;-)

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:53:59 AM)
Nope. "Social Democracy" is a nasty European idea that would never work in practice. Just like socialised medicine or national service. It's not at all the sort of idea that Roosevelt was taken with, and anybody who says otherwise is obviously a socialist dupe.

mnottertail -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:54:18 AM)
Really? I would call Moonhead a Whig, Polite a Tory, and Northern Gent a die hard sit down conservative. You I haven't sorted out. None of which I would say in a perjorative way. I tend to see you all as rather conservative (in the main), I am not gonna get into Sein Fein or any of that rot, but even the socialists you have.

mnottertail -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 10:58:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail And if I wanted advice on the dwindling return on imperialism, for one example. I can't think of anyone who has blazed a bigger trail before me, and who's advice I would gladly accept. You know, when I first saw your pic, I thought 'Eh? That bloke must be a Brit'. Sorry mate, but for some reason, you just do look British to me. ;-) Mothers side. My great grandfather was born in Bathersden, Kent in 1869 and I knew him, his sister who was a year younger, and some others until I was 8 or so. He got english toffee in a can and tetley? (I think) green tea from england. Lemon and milk at noon, plain at teatime.

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:00:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer You know, when I first saw your pic, I thought 'Eh? That bloke must be a Brit'. Sorry mate, but for some reason, you just do look British to me. ;-) I can see where you're coming from with that: Ron definitely has a bit of the ken Campbell/Brian Glover thing going on: I tend to hear a Yorkshire accent reading his posts... Ron: I think NG is definitely high tory, but he's at the more reasonable end of that. I see him more as Ted Heath than shits like Cameron or Major. (He'll probably take that as an insult, but it's intended as a compliment...) (Or Blair, come to that.)

mnottertail -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:02:40 AM)
Oh, I was thinking Winnie in the day, which I know for a fact insults him. But I mean the bloke no 'arm, guv. He reads the bleedin' guardian cover to cover.

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:04:27 AM)
Mea culpa. Churchill was one of the last real statesmen we had, so I can't imagine why that would be taken as an insult.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:07:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Any time you post and tell an American what is right or wrong about some American political aspect, you are making a claim of greater knowledge or insight. That's true - and at least partially acceptable, in my book. It's called an 'outsider's perspective'. From a distance, a lot of aspects of American politics look as though they're debated within quite a narrow range of perspectives. I'm sure there's much about UK politics that looks similarly restricted to Americans. That seems to be what he's throwing a fit about, sadly. No idea why he's got the needle so badly over it being pointed out that the American right's definition of socialist bears no resemblance to anything any socialist elsewhere in the world (or for that matter, American socialists in the '50s) would want anything to do with, but it seems to have upset him. Well, if my calm discussion is a "fit", then there are larger differences between Brit and US culture than I realized. Second, I don't think I've ever had a problem with differences between political systems being pointed out to me: what I have a problem with is people who make stuff up (such as in your above post), but claim it as fact, when they have no basis for doing so. Understanding that there are differences, the historical, political and cultural reasons for those differences, and how those differences provide insight to a particular point or question are worthy of discussion, and add to the conversation. Preaching the "one true way" and "you guys are all fucked" up, without the ability to refer to anything other than an unsupported opinion, and based on purely parochial grounds, on the other hand ... Firm

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:10:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Preaching the "one true way" and "you guys are all fucked" up, without the ability to refer to anything other than an unsupported opinion, and based on purely parochial grounds, on the other hand ... I hope that you can cite an example of me doing that, then.

mnottertail -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:17:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Mea culpa. Churchill was one of the last real statesmen we had, so I can't imagine why that would be taken as an insult. Perhaps, misguidedly, he fancies that I am inferring that he is portly. Dunno.

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:20:39 AM)
Well, that would be a diss, I suppose, but people didn't love Churchill for his good looks, did they?

mnottertail -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:22:00 AM)
Dam pukkah looking chap in his Sandhurst grad pic.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:22:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Any time you post and tell an American what is right or wrong about some American political aspect, you are making a claim of greater knowledge or insight. That's true - and at least partially acceptable, in my book. It's called an 'outsider's perspective'. From a distance, a lot of aspects of American politics look as though they're debated within quite a narrow range of perspectives. I'm sure there's much about UK politics that looks similarly restricted to Americans. And I see nothing wrong with it and even welcome it. As long as it is based on some knowledge or rational grounds. Not ignorance and a smug sense of superiority. Firm

Moonhead -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:27:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Not ignorance and a smug sense of superiority. Neither of which you've produced any evidence for, as yet.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:28:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Preaching the "one true way" and "you guys are all fucked" up, without the ability to refer to anything other than an unsupported opinion, and based on purely parochial grounds, on the other hand ... I hope that you can cite an example of me doing that, then. Yeah. The post of yours that I just quoted. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead That seems to be what he's throwing a fit about, sadly. No idea why he's got the needle so badly over it being pointed out that the American right's definition of socialist bears no resemblance to anything any socialist elsewhere in the world (or for that matter, American socialists in the '50s) would want anything to do with, but it seems to have upset him. BS comments that meet the criteria I posted above: 1. he's throwing a fit about 2. he's got the needle so badly over it being pointed out that the American right's definition of socialist bears no resemblance to anything any socialist elsewhere in the world 3. but it seems to have upset him. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Inglorious (Limey) Bastards (3/30/2011 11:30:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY Not ignorance and a smug sense of superiority. Neither of which you've produced any evidence for, as yet. Moon, you have made yourself a great example and illustration of exactly what I am talking about in this thread. I think I'll just leave our little conversation as it is, and let it stand for itself. Firm

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