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popeye1250 -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/1/2011 10:45:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Rule, again, they may be "conservative to you. One could hardly call being in favor of a woman's right to choose, legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, being pro union "conservative" could they? But, I suppose that if you were on the non-planet Pluto all the planets closer to the sun would be "warm" to you. Popeye, there are certain issues that I take what would be defined as a typically conservative viewpoint on. That doesn't mean I still don't consider myself a liberal. But you want to play the role of an Independent while all you do in every post you make is attack Democrats. Rule, liberals are tolerant of other people's political beliefs, you are clearly not tolerant or a liberal.

tweakabelle -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/1/2011 10:53:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Rule, liberals are tolerant of other people's political beliefs, you are clearly not tolerant or a liberal. Pops, you might be being just a tiny bit unfair there. I'm a tad puzzled by the gap between the packaging and the product in your case too. I do appreciate you hold quite progressive views on some issues. Overall tho, the difference between your self-description and your stated views seems as wide as the Atlantic Ocean to me too.

rulemylife -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/1/2011 10:56:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Rule, liberals are tolerant of other people's political beliefs, you are clearly not tolerant or a liberal. Liberals are no more tolerant than you are of liberals.

popeye1250 -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/1/2011 11:53:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Rule, liberals are tolerant of other people's political beliefs, you are clearly not tolerant or a liberal. Pops, you might be being just a tiny bit unfair there. I'm a tad puzzled by the gap between the packaging and the product in your case too. I do appreciate you hold quite progressive views on some issues. Overall tho, the difference between your self-description and your stated views seems as wide as the Atlantic Ocean to me too. Tweak, Independants are about issues, not personalities or "party." Look at most Dems and many Repubs, they do "what they're told to do lock-step" by their parties and whoever they're, "looking up to" that week! Look at the Tea Party, many dissaffected Repubs and yes some Dems in their ranks pissed off at the leadership and making them pay at election time! Wouldn't it be refreshing to see something like that in the Democratic party? But I seriously doubt it because the Dems are too weak too timid to speak up to their leadership! Obama could have his secret service guys pin down a Dem at a family barbeque, squat over them and take a dump in their mouths and they'd be wiping their chins and thanking him! And the other Dems there would want to French-kiss the "dumpee!" I don't like either the Dems or Repubs but I find, having grown up in Massachusetts that to me the Democrats are the more disgusting of the two. And as for my "beliefs" I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Is (that) that hard to understand? I'm more against big corporations than most people in here who refer to themselves as "liberals." They and our govt are the ones who pushed this "global economy" on us that is strangling this country! G.E. helps get Oblunder get elected and guess who doesn't pay a dime in taxes last year? And who makes all the jet engines for our military? Democrats are "easy", you know where they're going to stand on an issue before it even becomes an issue. Democrats don't think, they "feel." And finance? Why there's a "credit fairy" who gives the govt money and we'll, "never, ever have to pay it back!" They'll spit on a homeless person in Boston but demand that "the govt." "do something" about the starving pigmyes in Haiti, Somalia, ....fill in the blank. The hutus and tootsies hack each other up with machetes in some ratbag foreign country in Africa and the Dems say it's... "our fault!" WTF!!! And you get basically the same shit from the Republicans only with more expensive wardrobes and summer homes on Martha's Vinyard! And the same big corporations are courting them when they're in the w.h. It's like fuckin' AL CAPONE came back from the dead but instead of Cicero, Ill he set up shop on K Street in Washington! Big business made this country and now it's killing this country! I was listening to Donald Trump on Michael Savage's radio show and he said that there are now more foreign "lobbyists" in Washington from China, Saudi-Arabia and India than there are American lobbyists! Foreign lobbyists trying to get their hands on our taxdollars and to influence our congress into passing legislation that favors not America but, ...their countries! It's like a mad dash to get as much money from us as they possably can before we go bankrupt! And when that happens Martha's Vinyard and the Virginia suburbs aren't going to be safe places to live. And this is all brought to you by Republicans and Democrats! So you bet I don't have narrow views. How about as wide as the Pacific ocean?

tweakabelle -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 12:04:23 AM)
Pops, there's a few other things that trouble me too. One is the gap between advocating for human rights of US citizens (gay marriage etc) and the psychopathic violence you take delight in advocating for US policy overseas. Is it that you think (note how I avoided saying 'feel' [:D]) only Americans are entitled to due process, the rule of law or human rights? How do you reconcile these matters?

popeye1250 -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 12:16:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Pops, there's a few other things that trouble me too. One is the gap between advocating for human rights of US citizens (gay marriage etc) and the psychopathic violence you take delight in advocating for US policy overseas. Is it that you think (note how I avoided saying 'feel' [:D]) only Americans are entitled to due process, the rule of law or human rights? How do you reconcile these matters? "Psychopathic violence?" On al qeada you mean? The one who will win that war is the one who is the most brutal, savage, and unremittingly violent. Let's just hope it's us! That is a war we don't want to lose. It looks like you're confusing Military action and Police action where they "arrest" them. How I "reconcile" those matters is that the military is there to kill our enemies until they're extinct. The Police perform arrests locally and refer criminals to the courts.

Termyn8or -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 12:28:37 AM)
FR If all we are to do is to parrot our "superiors", then why discuss anything ? T^T

popeye1250 -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 12:31:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or FR If all we are to do is to parrot our "superiors", then why discuss anything ? T^T Termy, correct, and they're not our superiors, they're the "hired help."

tweakabelle -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 1:35:49 AM)
quote: popeye1250 "Psychopathic violence?" On al qeada you mean? The one who will win that war is the one who is the most brutal, savage, and unremittingly violent. Let's just hope it's us! That is a war we don't want to lose. It looks like you're confusing Military action and Police action where they "arrest" them. How I "reconcile" those matters is that the military is there to kill our enemies until they're extinct. The Police perform arrests locally and refer criminals to the courts. Dear oh dear pops! What an objectionable load of tosh! "Psychopathic violence"' is a long way from "academic elitism" isn't it? I'm sure you don't want to hijack this thread any more than I do. So please let's transfer this chat to "How to win against terrorism" thread. That sounds far more suited to this chat doesn't it? I've put up a few posts there. Comment on those, re-post your last post above here over there or make a new post there and I'll be delighted to respond.

rulemylife -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 6:24:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Tweak, Independants are about issues, not personalities or "party." Look at most Dems and many Repubs, they do "what they're told to do lock-step" by their parties and whoever they're, "looking up to" that week! Look at the Tea Party, many dissaffected Repubs and yes some Dems in their ranks pissed off at the leadership and making them pay at election time! Wouldn't it be refreshing to see something like that in the Democratic party? But I seriously doubt it because the Dems are too weak too timid to speak up to their leadership! Obama could have his secret service guys pin down a Dem at a family barbeque, squat over them and take a dump in their mouths and they'd be wiping their chins and thanking him! And the other Dems there would want to French-kiss the "dumpee!" I don't like either the Dems or Repubs but I find, having grown up in Massachusetts that to me the Democrats are the more disgusting of the two. And as for my "beliefs" I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Is (that) that hard to understand? I'm more against big corporations than most people in here who refer to themselves as "liberals." They and our govt are the ones who pushed this "global economy" on us that is strangling this country! G.E. helps get Oblunder get elected and guess who doesn't pay a dime in taxes last year? And who makes all the jet engines for our military? Democrats are "easy", you know where they're going to stand on an issue before it even becomes an issue. Democrats don't think, they "feel." And finance? Why there's a "credit fairy" who gives the govt money and we'll, "never, ever have to pay it back!" They'll spit on a homeless person in Boston but demand that "the govt." "do something" about the starving pigmyes in Haiti, Somalia, ....fill in the blank. The hutus and tootsies hack each other up with machetes in some ratbag foreign country in Africa and the Dems say it's... "our fault!" WTF!!! And you get basically the same shit from the Republicans only with more expensive wardrobes and summer homes on Martha's Vinyard! And the same big corporations are courting them when they're in the w.h. It's like fuckin' AL CAPONE came back from the dead but instead of Cicero, Ill he set up shop on K Street in Washington! Big business made this country and now it's killing this country! I was listening to Donald Trump on Michael Savage's radio show and he said that there are now more foreign "lobbyists" in Washington from China, Saudi-Arabia and India than there are American lobbyists! Foreign lobbyists trying to get their hands on our taxdollars and to influence our congress into passing legislation that favors not America but, ...their countries! It's like a mad dash to get as much money from us as they possably can before we go bankrupt! And when that happens Martha's Vinyard and the Virginia suburbs aren't going to be safe places to live. And this is all brought to you by Republicans and Democrats! So you bet I don't have narrow views. How about as wide as the Pacific ocean? I really have no idea where to start with this long-winded nonsense. But how about here? GE made the engines for the F-18, Pratt&Whitney made the engines for the F-15, the F-16, and the F-22. And GE paying no taxes has been going on long before Obama took office. The New York Times The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States. Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion. That may be hard to fathom for the millions of American business owners and households now preparing their own returns, but low taxes are nothing new for G.E. The company has been cutting the percentage of its American profits paid to the Internal Revenue Service for years, resulting in a far lower rate than at most multinational companies. But somehow I don't remember you complaining about this when Bush was in office. Tell me again Popeye how you are a moderate Independent, it's always good for a laugh.

DomKen -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 6:49:05 AM)
Pops supports extreme christian theocrats so you can safely ignore his occasional claims of support for homosexuals. Honestly he probably can justify calling himself an independent since he is so far to the right he really is outside even the far right fringe of the GOP. As to moderate...

popeye1250 -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 10:38:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Pops supports extreme christian theocrats so you can safely ignore his occasional claims of support for homosexuals. Honestly he probably can justify calling himself an independent since he is so far to the right he really is outside even the far right fringe of the GOP. As to moderate... And DomKen, likes spaghetti on tuesday nights, hates blue cars and trucks and has a tattoo on his back which reads "MOM." WTF???

DomKen -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 10:41:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Pops supports extreme christian theocrats so you can safely ignore his occasional claims of support for homosexuals. Honestly he probably can justify calling himself an independent since he is so far to the right he really is outside even the far right fringe of the GOP. As to moderate... And DomKen, likes spaghetti on tuesday nights, hates blue cars and trucks and has a tattoo on his back which reads "MOM." WTF??? Are you denying that you repeatedly claimed to have voted for Constitution Party candidates? Or are you trying to deny that they are extremist theocrats?

popeye1250 -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 11:12:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Pops supports extreme christian theocrats so you can safely ignore his occasional claims of support for homosexuals. Honestly he probably can justify calling himself an independent since he is so far to the right he really is outside even the far right fringe of the GOP. As to moderate... And DomKen, likes spaghetti on tuesday nights, hates blue cars and trucks and has a tattoo on his back which reads "MOM." WTF??? Are you denying that you repeatedly claimed to have voted for Constitution Party candidates? Or are you trying to deny that they are extremist theocrats? No I'm not "denying" it and I didn't vote for them for any "religious" views that they might have! How many times in here have I said that I'm against "religions?" That they should be outlawed. ALL of them. I don't recall all of the Constitution Party's members being "religious." Do you have to show them an I.D. card from some kind of "church" or something to get in? Did you vote for Oblunder because he was a muslim or a christian or both? It's real hard to pin him down on "religion" isn't it? He goes to that hate church for twenty years but "doesn't really know" that "Reverand" Wright's "views! His father was a muslim but,...he's not! Did you have to show your "church I.D." to vote for a Democrat? Or a "global-warming" I.D. (or whatever they're calling it this week.)

eihwaz -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 2:43:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Pops supports extreme chritian theocrats so you can safely ignore his occasional claims of support for homosexuals... [...]WTF??? Are you denying that you repeatedly claimed to have voted for Constitution Party candidates? Or are you trying to deny that they are extremist theocrats? [...] How many times in here have I said that I'm against "religions?" That they should be outlawed. ALL of them. [...] You might appreciate the approaches developed by Mao, Stalin, and Lenin in this regard. Oh, and they had methods for dealing with academic "elitism," too.

tweakabelle -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 4:19:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 "Psychopathic violence?" On al qeada you mean? The one who will win that war is the one who is the most brutal, savage, and unremittingly violent. Let's just hope it's us! That is a war we don't want to lose. It looks like you're confusing Military action and Police action where they "arrest" them. The kind of wanton violence you're advocating pops, is a textbook example of what NOT to if you wish to run a successful counter-terrorist or counter-insurgency strategy. The key to a successful counter terrorist strategy is to separate the terrorists from their support base, using a mixture of political and security initiatives. Terrorism can't sustain itself without a significant support base in the general population. Your Gen Petreaus, the US military's foremost expert on counter-insurgency, is well aware of this and has fashioned his tactics in Afghanistan accordingly. The outcome may have been sealed by the ham-fisted strategy pursued prior to Petreaus' arrival there, but he knows that the strategy he's pursuing offers the only chance of success. Wanton violence by the authorities only succeeds in broadening the terrorist's support base, swelling their ranks and hastening the date of the authorities own defeat. This has been demonstrated time and time again eg. Algeria in the 1950-60s or Northern Ireland 1968-2000 or anywhere in the Middle East today esp Israel/Palestine. Any counter-insurgency strategy that relies solely on military/security measures is doomed to failure. It might make you feel good pops to call for blood, the prospect of participating in a petty genocide might warm your heart but as a serious strategy it's a catastrophe, guaranteed to end in a humiliating resounding defeat.

slvemike4u -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 4:30:38 PM)
Tweak,do you not recognize the fallacy of trying to have an intellectual conversation with him? If you are determined to persist in this why not nail him down on what rights he believes should be accorded to illegal aliens,,,If my memory serves(and believe me it does) he has advocated mining the border(yes actually planting land mines along the Rio Grande).....or ,failing that stationing soldiers there with the ROE being shoot on sight. Someone might want to ask this so called "independent-moderate" how that works?

DomKen -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 4:41:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Pops supports extreme christian theocrats so you can safely ignore his occasional claims of support for homosexuals. Honestly he probably can justify calling himself an independent since he is so far to the right he really is outside even the far right fringe of the GOP. As to moderate... And DomKen, likes spaghetti on tuesday nights, hates blue cars and trucks and has a tattoo on his back which reads "MOM." WTF??? Are you denying that you repeatedly claimed to have voted for Constitution Party candidates? Or are you trying to deny that they are extremist theocrats? No I'm not "denying" it and I didn't vote for them for any "religious" views that they might have! How many times in here have I said that I'm against "religions?" That they should be outlawed. ALL of them. You voted for a party that has as part of its platform: "gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States" "The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman. The marriage covenant is the foundation of the family, and the family is fundamental in the maintenance of a stable, healthy and prosperous social order. No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted" "We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior. We oppose all efforts to impose a new sexual legal order through the federal court system. We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions" "All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents" "The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations" "We particularly support all the legislation which would remove from Federal appellate review jurisdiction matters involving acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government. We commend Former Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court for his defense of the display of the Ten Commandments, and condemn those who persecuted him and removed him from office for his morally and legally just stand." And so on and so on http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php You're either incredibly poorly informed or you are not telling the truth.

Kirata -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 5:13:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen "The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations" Now that's really quite droll. [:D] K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Academic Elitism ? (4/2/2011 5:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen "The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations" Now that's really quite droll. [:D] K. My! Who'd have thought? An American Christian version of sharia law. Got to be a winner that one! [:D]

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