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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:36:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Charles,

I thank you for your brilliant post.  Someone who posted some of the identical content is a guy named Jerry Nadler D NY.  At least I think the fool is from NY.  He sent out some mass mailing about repealing DOMA and I had to write him back.  Here is a copy of my letter to Jerry Nadler:

Dear Jerry,

You are an idiot.  "Marriage" is defined as the union of a man and
woman joined together in a state of matrimony.  Who the hell are you
to change the definition of the word.  This is a matter of language,
not equal rights.  If you are going to expand the definition of the
WORD marriage, who says where the definition stops?  If gays and
lesbians can marry, why then can't a man marry two bisexual girls who
also love each other?  (Because it would be bigamy, congressman, if
you didn't know the answer.)  Why can't a woman then marry her Great
Dane or a man marry his favorite tree?  You cannot be so obtuse to not
understand this.

America favors that people go through life in pairs.  That is easy
enough to understand, isn't it?  There are certain rights afforded to
married couples with respect to income tax, estate taxes, death
benefits, health benefits and more.  Should there be a vehicle by
which gays, lesbians, transexuals, heterosexuals who eschew the
concept of marriage and others be able to enjoy these same benefits
when they are engaged in monogamous relationship?  Yes.  And that
vehicle is called a "Civil Union" or a "Domestic Partnership
Agreement" or a "Super-Beautiful-Rainbow-Love-Castle"...whatever.  The
point is that you create a vehicle in addition to the vehicle known as
marriage to enable that.  You don't put marriage on a slippery slope
of definitional gymnastics.  My God, man, how did you get elected to
Congress???

Please take me off of your mailing list.

Very truly yours,

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:38:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a regular job and I do pay taxes.What makes you think that just because someone isn't a far right Tea Party member,that they some how must be leeching off the government.No,I don't mind my taxes helping those who truly need the help.Define helping the less fortuntate?I am not talking about those who are scamming the government.I am talking about those who really use these programs to try and better themselves.I see nothing wrong with a social safety net.For the grace of God,"there could go I".

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:40:50 AM   
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Government is a necessary evil but it is an evil nonethless.  I don't argue about abolishment of all services. But pull the chart up on government spending since WWII.  You want to seize on the fact that conservatives believe the individual has primary responsibility for their own life?  Well...isn't it the individual's responsibility not to buy/sell/use drugs?  How much less law enforcement would be needed if people lead a lawful existence?  You want to argue it isn't the parents that should educate their children but the State?  Did you read the book that pits the Chi-Com Moms against U.S. moms?  

Why aren't conservatives doing any of these things?  I don't know about you but I don't collect welfare, I house myself, I make my own living, I put savings aside for my retirement, I buy my own health insurance.  Why do YOU feel it is such a radical idea for everyone to do that?  Ask yourself why you need to be supported by tax payers.




That is the ASSumption of the year, my urm...friend (said facetiously).  I don't collect welfare, I work, I OWN a home (not just house myself, as you put it), I put savings aside, plus have a 401K, plus have a retirement pension waiting for me (this is excluding any SS you may think every senior citizen is entitled to.  And since I'm not on welfare, you can assuredly assume (safely, this time) that I am not on medicaid either.  I don't consider any of that radical.  I consider it a necessity to live.  Supported by tax payers, you say??  I am a tax payer.  But here's a little secret for you.  Every paycheck you get both SS and Medicare (an entitlement for the elderly) are being deducted from your check.  I'm OK with wanting to support the people who were keeping this country going and building it for me.  Seems you are very bitter to do the same though.

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:42:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not even gay,its not really a personal issue for me.However,I suppose that letter could have probaly been said about interracial marriage back in the 60's too,right?

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:44:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		So draw some bright lines, Charles.  Everyone with an autistic kids brings that kid to New Jersey.  It is a huge business in this state and kids are over diagnosed without fucking shame!!!  How do I know that?  Because I have fought for children to have that classification, that label, to be removed from school files at endless IEP's. 

So what are your bright lines rules?  If a person has two arms, two legs, ten fingers and toes and an IQ within the normal bell curve, how much money should that person receive without working for it?  Well...Charles, you do realize that the next argument is going to be "well sure, he is physically normal but he is "emotionally" impaired!!!"  Ok...so now define emotional impairment with a bright line rule.

You people are soooo funny.  Try not to deal in such absolutes.  Nobody opposed the mentally retarded person from being suplemented if not entirely supported for life or any one of the millions of other people that are sclerotic or insane or maimed.  The problem is the abuse is larger than the whole.

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:47:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		All the same nonsense about Gay Marriage in the 2000's,were the exact same nonsense that was said about Interracial Marriages in the 60's.How does 2 guys or gals marry each other have any impact on straight couples marriages?It dosen't.The aurgument used against gay marriages isn't based in any rational aurgument.Instead the aurgument against gay marriage is often based in fear tactics.Which is something Conservative Republicans are real good at.Notice I do look out the moderate Republicans.There are a few Republicans who don't do this.All 4 of them!!!

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:50:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Temporary assistance for those who truly need it.Thats the key word,its called Temporsry assistance for a reason!The mom raising 2 kids alone because the deadbeat father decided he would go for a pack of mid-night cigarettes.She loses her job through no fault of her own.Especially in this lousy economy,the "Great Recession"!!

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:53:47 AM   
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No wonder why Im a democrat.



Too bad Oblunder isn't a Democrat.

Well, he's for the "working man", .....in China and India but not in Detroit and Cleveland.
He's for "human rights" ... in Libya and many other foreign countries,..... but not in Calif., Ari. N.M. and Texas.
He's for sending 35,000 more Troops to Afganistan,.....but not to the Mexican border!

If JFK were alive today and we had a million illegal aliens sneaking over that Mexican border I wonder what he'd do?

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:55:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I made no assumptions in addressing your letters.  I made no assumptions about your personal lifestyle......"friend".

You said this:

"I am a tax payer.  But here's a little secret for you.  Every paycheck you get both SS and Medicare (an entitlement for the elderly) are being deducted from your check.  I'm OK with wanting to support the people who were keeping this country going and building it for me.  Seems you are very bitter to do the same though."

I have no problem with SS being deducted from a paycheck.  After all, it is MY money.  SS is the ultimate ponzi scheme; you pay in and you have to wait till you may reasonably be dead before you can take out, but you have the right to take out.  Most people after 2020 will never take out of SS.  I have no problem with medicare.  What makes medicare work is that millions of people pay into it while only 30% or so of the country can benefit from it.  And then it is the next generation that comes up to bat and so forth and so on.  The system breaks down entirely when there is medicare for 70% of the population or the entire population.

You want to know what I'm bitter about?  I'm bitter about the emergency room being filled everyday with illegal aliens that run up $100,000.00 in bills for cat-scans for the amorphous stomach ailment or $20,000.00 for the nominal head injury.  Yup...I have a problem with 35 million people being in the country that take advantage of police protection, fire protection, free education, free schooling, the courts, the prisons, the sanitation department, postal services, bailiffs ad nauseum and paying nothing into the system.  I am bitter about people receiving housing assistance, food stamps, utility allowances, transportation allowances, etc. who are perfectly healthy and do not work.  I rent apartments but I don't rent to Section 8...know why?  Because I'm tired of apartments getting destroyed with no recourse, police conducting drug raids and so much more.  

So yeah...if you are healthy and you CAN work and you DON'T work, my position is that you should die in the street. 

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:56:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is OK to admit that you didn't understand my letter to Jerry Nadler, Charles. 

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 11:59:29 AM   
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Government is a necessary evil but it is an evil nonethless.  I don't argue about abolishment of all services. But pull the chart up on government spending since WWII.  You want to seize on the fact that conservatives believe the individual has primary responsibility for their own life?  Well...isn't it the individual's responsibility not to buy/sell/use drugs?  How much less law enforcement would be needed if people lead a lawful existence?  You want to argue it isn't the parents that should educate their children but the State?  Did you read the book that pits the Chi-Com Moms against U.S. moms?  

Why aren't conservatives doing any of these things?  I don't know about you but I don't collect welfare, I house myself, I make my own living, I put savings aside for my retirement, I buy my own health insurance.  Why do YOU feel it is such a radical idea for everyone to do that?  Ask yourself why you need to be supported by tax payers.




Help me out here. Gov't is evil. you are a good christian and want to keep away from evil things and destroy them. Then why would you not pick up arms and try to destroy Gov't? Is necessary evil akin to being half pregnant?

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:03:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The framers conceived a naiton where the central government had limited powers and the state governements were sovereign.  The government has built in checks and balances to prevent the usurpation and monopolization of power. 

There are many necessary evils in society...like jails, for one.  Do you like jail?  Would you like to be in jail?  Of course not.  Can you imagine if our present society had no jails?  Ever read a book called "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy????

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:05:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I knew I knew your rants from somewhere Locked,
You have a very disagreeable outlook on life in my opinion.
You understand that not everyone is capable of being or even  want to be as wonderful and "worthy" as you seem to be, for whatever reason
Expecting people to be as wonderful as you , is so unrealistic to be comical.
Im glad you are a minority


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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:09:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		HAHAHAHAHA oh...I have missed you, Lucy!!!  Very few people write the kind of personal drivel that you write!  Lucy...I'm not wonderful.  I get up every morning, I go to work every day.  I work on weekends a lot too and often at night.  I think if I was willing to flip burgers at McDonalds for the hours that I work I would probably end up with the same money.  I'm an average guy who doesn't expect a hand out, doesn't sit on his ass, doesn't stay down when he has been knocked down.   That's it....that's all.  End of story.

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:13:37 PM   
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I called you on your BS more times than I care to remember, but I wont be revisting you anytime soon
ugliness is on ignore now, took me a couple of posts  to realise who you were.
bubbye


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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		True story!!!  I have a piece of property is an acre of land.  There is a guy in town that is always begging, he is a local fixture.  He's always hungry, he is always cold he is always......SOMETHING!  I offer him $50.00 to mow the yard and he looks at me like I am insane!  He is CLEARLY offended.  So now I give him nothing.  He didn't want to work for $50.00 so now I don't give him change either. 

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:15:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

All the same nonsense about Gay Marriage in the 2000's,were the exact same nonsense that was said about Interracial Marriages in the 60's.How does 2 guys or gals marry each other have any impact on straight couples marriages?It dosen't.The aurgument used against gay marriages isn't based in any rational aurgument.Instead the aurgument against gay marriage is often based in fear tactics.Which is something Conservative Republicans are real good at.Notice I do look out the moderate Republicans.There are a few Republicans who don't do this.All 4 of them!!!


Myself, I'm seriously starting to wonder if the reason the religious right* is so rabidly opposed to allowing gay marriage might not be because if longstanding homosexual couple were allowed to tie the knot with the same legal recognition as a wifebeater and his punchbag, then they'd finally have to abandon this stupid "teh queerz iz awl promizkuos germbagz who iz after yr kidz az well'' line they've been trotting out since the late sixties at least. They'd have real trouble finding anything else to criticise gay people for as most of their other arguments to justify gay bashing are even more ridiculous than that one, which is no mean feat.

*(aka The Republican Party)

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:15:37 PM   
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The framers conceived a naiton where the central government had limited powers and the state governements were sovereign.  The government has built in checks and balances to prevent the usurpation and monopolization of power. 

There are many necessary evils in society...like jails, for one.  Do you like jail?  Would you like to be in jail?  Of course not.  Can you imagine if our present society had no jails?  Ever read a book called "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy????


Sure sure...But I am still confused. Help me out. See, I don't like evil and try to either stay away from it or fight it with all that is within me. From what you are saying you really aren't that bothered by evil since you are willing not to fight against Gov't which you consider evil. Why is that? Are you saying you just pick and choose the things that you or for or against without relation to your morals?

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:16:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucy...you have NEVER called me on my BS.  You have never given me any kind of intelligent, researched or even factual response.  The only thing you have ever said to me has been ad hominem attacks and comments like "I find your views offensive" and other crap like that.  And I think the only thing I ever said in repsonse is that I would never buy sex toys from a loser.  So...bah-bies to you too, sweety.

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RE: Democrats vs Republican voters - 4/2/2011 12:21:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		 "you really aren't that bothered by evil since you are willing not to fight against Gov't which you consider evil. Why is that?" 

WHAT are you talking about??????  I fight against government all the time.  I vote in every election including school board elections, I save my money, I live within my means, those are all methods of "fighting".  So is gardening your own food, putting solar panels on your house and maximizing your tax deductions.  What are you talking about...revolution?  You are a young man.  Let me tell you this, what is happening all around the globe WILL HAPPEN IN THE U.S.  The riots in Newark, Watts, Asbury Park and LA will happen again.  Let me dispel a myth for you, simply because something hasn't happened in 50 or 100 years doesn't mean that it is impossible for it to happen again. 

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