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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/6/2011 6:09:27 PM   
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I am not a racist, but I cannot accept people (religions) imposing themselfs on our way of life, did you know that here in canada the muslums want us to take down anything that has to do with christmas?? do we tell our kids "sorry there is no more christmas because it offends the muslums"!!

they come to live here and complain all the time about how we live and our anscestors have lived for generations, and want us to change all that and live the way they do, thier customs their laws.. whats next? stonning women in downtown Montreal???

if their way of life is so great in their countrys why in the fuck are they comming to live here...

Buhddist dont do this
Jews dont do this

why only muslums do this? see picture above!!!


Then the answer to that is simple, in a democratic country democracy is practised that being the majority are catered for first, now if it should be that Muslims become the majority then Muslim tastes will be catered for, but as a minority it is a bit unfair to expect the majority to tow their line.

Every minority should be aware of this, as a minority they do not, or should not command the majority to comply. But in saying 'should not' after 'do not' I am indicating that there is am increasing mentality in the west to cater for minorities over and above majorities, an idea that is very open to abuse by those that seek to abuse.

Edited to add, this abuse for the stability of society has to be addressed where it stands.

Or in other words, if it offends, don't look or learn to accept the differences in others.


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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/6/2011 7:05:01 PM   
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She isnt 70 until  the end 2017, and St Ronnie was 69 and 11  months when he was first inaugurated.SO  why is she too old????


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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/6/2011 7:16:45 PM   
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The Radical Muslims are self-conscious and envious. I say, teach them Fairness. Give them a Bible to burn and tell them that should settle it. Then let them see us laughing our asses off because to us it ain't such a big deal! LOL !! That will prove my words. Radical Jihadists eat your heart out! LOL !!

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/6/2011 7:47:07 PM   
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So who is really to blame for these deaths? The irreverent Reverend


You don't get to poke sticks at wild animals then look surprised and appalled when they attack. No matter how you try to pass the responsibility buck, it has a way of finding it's way home. Many more come to mind.


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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 12:00:58 AM   
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Why does my heart sink every time I see a post beginning : "I am not a racist but .........."?

Just to let you know kissheels, here in sunny Oz we have a phenomenon called the "whinging Pom". This dubious title is given to that tiny minority of English people who move here and expect everything to be exactly the same as it was in the UK. They tend to whinge or moan a lot when they find out things are different here. (Well the sun shines for a start! ).

So it's not "just Muslims" and my guess is it's not that way in Canada either. My suspicion is that you notice it more with Muslims and ignore it with others. I do hope I am wrong.

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 12:54:35 AM   
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If there was only one copy of the Koran left in the world, I would use any force at my disposal, short of violence or intimidation, to help save it. To eradicate any book, even one as poisonous as the Koran, is to rape the soul of the world.

But as long as there are plenty of copies to go around, and as long as some Muslims believe they have a right to use violence against the nonviolent (a belief which the text of the book unarguably justifies), I suggest we torch as many copies as possible to show the cocksuckers how misguided they are.

As for those of you who object to the burning on the grounds of "disrespect": I am willing to accept that our difference in perspective amounts to a gentleman's disagreement, provided you can tell me with a straight face that you would object just as strongly to the desecration of a religious text that does not have a well-earned reputation for spawning suicide bombers.



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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 1:37:25 AM   
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I've got a deal for the self-deluded "rights" experts here.

Regarding those who have screamed so loudly in all these pages that their right to spew whatever sewage out of their mouth and broadcast it to the farthest shores anytime they like, wherever they like, no matter what, is FAR more important to them than any consideration of danger for US service men in hostile lands who are supposedly risking their own lives for these sorry excuses for rabid animals disguised as humans, I am not willing to accept anything but the truth of the previous accurate description of the matter, being that my acceptance or not stands as no obstacle whatsoever to this unavoidable fact.

Which is to say there is no deal and there never will be.

Live with your sickness as it is, on your own, and do not even think of  demanding one blessed thing from anybody else just because you cannot deal with who you are without desperately trying to drag some bit of the Constitution or others into the cesspool you're floundering in.







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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 1:50:57 AM   
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I've got an even better deal for you.

As for those who have screamed so loudly in all these pages that their right to spew whatever sewage out of their mouth anytime they like, wherever they like, no matter what, is FAR more important to them than any consideration of danger for US service men in hostile lands who are supposedly risking their own lives for these sorry excuses for rabid animals disguised as humans, I am not willing to accept anything but the truth of the previous accurate description of the matter, being that my acceptance or not stands as no obstacle whatsoever to this unavoidable fact.

Which is to say there is no deal and there never will be.

Live with your sickness as it is, on your own, and do not even think of  demanding one blessed thing from anybody else just because you cannot deal with who you are without desperately trying to drag others into the cesspool you're floundering in.



I'm sorry, but I read that four times and couldn't understand. I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, or even whether you're addressing me or someone else.

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 2:02:45 AM   
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It depends on if you fit the description or not, which I don't know.  But in any case it was a commentary on the numerous commentators in this and the other similar thread trying to justify their hatred of anything outside their own world by arrogating "rights" originally written and intended for noble purpose to their own noxious cause.


A rather significant desecration, truth be known.







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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 2:50:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn



I've got a deal for the self-deluded "rights" experts here.

Regarding those who have screamed so loudly in all these pages that their right to spew whatever sewage out of their mouth and broadcast it to the farthest shores anytime they like, wherever they like, no matter what, is FAR more important to them than any consideration of danger for US service men in hostile lands who are supposedly risking their own lives for these sorry excuses for rabid animals disguised as humans, I am not willing to accept anything but the truth of the previous accurate description of the matter, being that my acceptance or not stands as no obstacle whatsoever to this unavoidable fact.

Which is to say there is no deal and there never will be.

Live with your sickness as it is, on your own, and do not even think of  demanding one blessed thing from anybody else just because you cannot deal with who you are without desperately trying to drag some bit of the Constitution or others into the cesspool you're floundering in.








Brilliant post.

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 3:48:22 AM   
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NiceGuyNihilist, if we're going to examine the moral dimensions of the situation, could you please explain why the predictable consequences of Jones' action have been excluded from consideration?

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 7:48:33 AM   
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Allow me to take a stab at that tweak.....it is inconvenient to discuss ,as it does not add to the agenda of the conversation.


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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 4:18:17 PM   
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So... Jones KNEW, extremist muslims would use his specific burning of a Quran to murder, maim and riot.

That's what you are saying right slavey?

Tell me.... exactly HOW did Jones know this? What on eartrh could possibly lead him to believe the followers of The Religion of Peace could possibility do such a thing?

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 4:31:20 PM   
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-09-09/news/27074887_1_islamic-extremists-koran-security-risk

"A Florida pastor's plan of holding a rally to burn Korans on the anniversary of 9/11 has ignited fears that Americans' security may be at risk. The international police agency Interpol warned governments worldwide Thursday of an increased chance of terror attacks if the planned event takes place. "If the proposed Koran burning by a pastor in the U.S. goes ahead as planned, there is a strong likelihood that violent attacks on innocent people would follow," the agency said. Interpol added it was acting partly on a request from Pakistan. In the U.S., the FBI issued its own caution that the rally could lead to attacks on the pastor, his congregation and U.S. interests abroad. The State Department warned American embassies to be on high alert this weekend. "Depending on the continued national and international publicity the event receives, it may also inspire retaliatory attacks against U.S. facilities overseas," the FBI said in a statement. Geoffrey Morrell, the Pentagon spokesman, said the Obama Administration is contemplating whether U.S. leaders would call Jones and personally ask him to call the event off."


http://www.newsytype.com/2057-danger-in-koran-burning/

The Dove World Outreach Center Church, of Gainesville, Fla., made headlines when Pastor Terry Jones that he and the church’s members intended to set copies of the Koran alight in a protest over several issues, including Muslim extremism. Government officials have asked the church call it off. The planned demonstration has led to protests worldwide and strong warnings. General David Petraeus has cautioned the church that should the demonstration of burning the Koran take place, it will put servicemen and women in greater danger than ever before. Dove World Outreach Center asked to stop threats The commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, according to the Christian Science Monitor, has asked the church to not partake in any Koran burning. He said that a group of American Christians burning the Koran will accomplish nothing positive. He insists it will only be doing the Taliban and Al Qaeda a favor, as it will be a recruiting tool that highlights perceived American bigotry. He cautioned that American soldiers and civilians abroad will be put in greater danger. He also lamented that winning over hearts and minds in Afghanistan will be next to impossible if these sorts of threats continue. Other outrage related to Muslims in the U.S., such as the Ground Zero mosque controversy, has only increased tension between the Islamic world and the U.S. Church to dwell on the repercussions The Dove World Outreach Center Church is weighing the decision to go through with the burnings. Pastor Terry Jones said that the members of the church were concerned about the potential impact and are thinking over the planned demonstration, according to CNN. Some pause was given to the members by the warning from Gen. David Petraeus, as the members intended to hold an “International Burn the Koran Day” on Sept. 11 of this year. The church has maintained all along that the protest was aimed at the radical segments of Islam.




That is EXACTLY how.






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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 4:43:44 PM   
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So... Jones KNEW, extremist muslims would use his specific burning of a Quran to murder, maim and riot.

That's what you are saying right slavey?

Tell me.... exactly HOW did Jones know this? What on eartrh could possibly lead him to believe the followers of The Religion of Peace could possibility do such a thing?



What do you mean "How he knew" hasn`t he ( or you ) been following the news these last 20 years ? Sure Jones may not have known there would be killings, but he knew it would cause trouble in area where allied forces are operating.

Here is a quote from Jones himself last year. Read it and stop trying to B/s everone. You disgust me for even trying to defend him.... Dont even go there with your "Freedom of Speech" cause I have seen through that as I said earlier.

``Instead of possibly blaming us for what could happen, we put the blame where it belongs -- on the people who would do it,'' he told The Associated Press.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/07/1813046/florida-pastor-plans-to-press.html##ixzz1IsqrWODr

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 4:56:25 PM   
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Ah, but Gen. Patraeus didn't tell Jones -exactly- where the trouble would occur, not -exactly- which of several possible groups might have done it, nor exactly how many people would be killed.

So you see, Jones didn't know!


He's off the hook!




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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 5:00:58 PM   
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Hmm, let's see if I can make any of this simpler.

You see there's this country, it's made up of 50-odd states and it lies between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans just south of Canada and north of Mexico. It's called the United States.

There's this other country, some way to the north west of Pakistan, in mountains, inhospitable, known as Afghanistan. It's one of the poorest countries in the world, the people are hard, very hard.

There's also the Internet. This starts at something which is known as a computer, a box with electronic equipment, a monitor, keyboard, mouse.. if you're reading this it should be that bit of equipment you can see in front of you.

You might notice a cable (unless it's wireless) running into a phone socket. It leads to a massive network of other computers, all over the world, known as the Internet. You access the Internet through what is known as a browser which displays web pages and websites. Any website on the Internet can generally be viewed by people from any computer, anywhere in the world.

Now, coming back to those two countries. In one of these countries, Afghanistan, there are soldiers and troops from the other country I wrote about - the United States. They have been there for some time because of some Afghans who enjoy living in the 12th century known as the Taliban. They believe that the world has become a place dominated by evil and that anyone who chooses to live in the modern world also must be evil. They think other Muslims are softies, that women are lower than them, that other people who aren't Muslim are also evil, in fact anyone who isn't Taliban is evil. They are not nice to such people, they string them up from lorries, shoot them publicly and it is thought they also have links with terrorism.

Most Muslims think the Taliban are a bunch of crazy nutters, as do many other people in the world.

The soldiers from the United States are in Afghanistan because of a war - when two sides of people who don't like each other much use weapons on each other. A war on terrorism, where people make bombs which they hide to blow up things and people who they don't like.

Now, in both countries, i.e. the United States and Afghanistan, there are people who are somewhat pissed that troops from the United States are in Afghanistan.

Some of these people are religious. Some believe in a religion called Islam, and call themselves Muslims to let other people know that they believe in Islam. These tend to be living mainly in Afghanistan. They also live in other countries too, such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Algeria, and so on.

In the United States there are other religious people, who believe in Christianity, centred around a bloke who was good at woodwork and who was called Jesus Christ. They call themselves Christians, to let other people know that they believe in Christianity. Christians also live in other countries too.

Some of these religious people (Christians, Muslims) are not only rather pissed about the war and the soldiers, but they are also not very intelligent. They are so stupid that they cannot tell the difference between an evil American and a normal American. In the United States they are unable to tell the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist. I have already stated that the Afghan people, living in some of the most inhospitable territory on the planet are hard people.

When you get hard and stupid together these people will kill you without even thinking about it. Even for the slightest reason.

These stupid Muslims in Afghanistan believe that because there are American soldiers in their country that all Americans are at war with them, and together with others who perhaps are more intelligent are the enemy. Now what happens usually in a war when you perceive someone as an enemy you try to hurt them or even kill them. This is why weapons are used, and why soldiers carry weapons.

Then there was a preacher - this is a man who stands up in church and talks about religion or reads from a book known as The Holy Bible - who was rather stupid and decided that because he didn't like Muslims much he would burn their holy book, known as the Holy Koran (Muslims also use this sort of book in meetings in a mosque, which is like a church).

The preacher made it public that he was burning the Koran, and details of this burning was made available on the Internet.

Then there was another silly man, in Afghanistan, called Karzai, who also had access to a computer which also was connected to the Internet. On the Internet he must have found a website about the silly preacher who burned the Holy Koran, which as a Muslim must have greatly upset him and pissed him off no end, and this is where the trouble started which led to more people getting rather pissed and angry and holding demonstrations and killing people.

I hope this makes things simpler for those who are having great difficulties 9 pages into this thread understanding what this is all about.

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 5:01:59 PM   
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Indeed Edwynn.

As I have said before, nothing condones the violence, but to suggest it wasnt likely is a joke.

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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 5:15:50 PM   
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So... Jones KNEW, extremist muslims would use his specific burning of a Quran to murder, maim and riot.

That's what you are saying right slavey?

Tell me.... exactly HOW did Jones know this? What on eartrh could possibly lead him to believe the followers of The Religion of Peace could possibility do such a thing?

Fatty,don't put words in my mouth.....now lets look at this.Should Jones have known,given past events,that there would have definitely been some adverse,probably violent reaction to his act ? I think the answer to that is obvious....Yes...Yes and again Yes.
Now any denial you might lamely offer should take into effect that Jones has already stated that he intends to repeat this stunt.
Should he do so...will you ,again,show up here and claim that he has some sort of "plausible deniability" as to what the ramifications just might be?
Should be interesting....'cause I got to tell you....from where I sit,he is an asshole and I happen to think he will do just as he says.


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RE: Why is the Quran Buring News? - 4/7/2011 7:20:28 PM   
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1) Why did Jones make the news?  Because he burned it in the US.  Even before that, most of his congregation voted with their feet.

2) If a bunch of pagans or *gasp* Muslims burned a Bible here, it would be all over the press.

3) When flags were burned here, Republicans were calling for an "anti flag burning" amendment to the Constitution, and IIRC at least one state considered retaliation against the burner a misdemenor.

4) Protests against the war were seen as giving aid to the enemy.

5) The Christian Identity movement was a driver for the Aryan Nations among others, and they have killed (remember Eric Rudolph?)

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